Poll: Tea Party Supporters View Palin, Beck and Bush Favorably, page 2

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Which has what to do with the topic? Right.

I was reading an article in Maclean's yesterday and it showed that they(TP'ers) have less faith in the GOP than they do the Dem's, as they see the GOP as a sell out. They said they were also going to target the Dem's. I'll see if I can locate the article on line.

Edit: Pages 3 & 4:

www2.macleans.ca...



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Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by sos37

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Which has what to do with the topic? Right.

But it's okay when others post similar things on Fox News threads just because it's from Fox News, and yet you fail to call them out on those postings. You wouldn't be picking on me, now would you, Intrepid? That's hardly moderator-like behavior.

Incidentally, I call into question a poll that says a majority of Tea Party Movement members favor Bush or Palin. The basis of the Tea Party is to oppose current policies, like hiking middle class taxes. This is clearly seen here:

Activists in several states also organizing anti-tax rallies Thursday
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Originally posted by sos37
The basis of the Tea Party is to oppose current policies, like hiking middle class taxes.

That's the basis of the Tea Party Movement?

The TPM was started by a stock trader frustrated by bailling out of Wall Street. That lasted about a millisecond before Dick Armey got involved and funded the "Tea Party Express" and took over the movement.

Dick Armey was a lobbyist for the healthcare industry until just recently.

Follow?

If you want to ask the right question...ask why a movement premised on being fed up with the excesses of Wall Street and the government bailouts is suddenly silent when financial regulatory reform is begining to be debated in congress?

See the problem...they are pretending that they are angry at Wall Street and the Bailouts, but when a Democratic administration looks to institute reform on those financial institutions with the goal of never having to bail them out again....crickets...and then actual opposition to financial regulatory reform...and the mask drops to the pavement.

Dick Armey and Freedomworks own the Tea Party...

For a better view on the careful rhetoric the GOP is forced to use to oppose regulating the financial industry see here..

swampland.blogs.time.com...




[edit on 15-4-2010 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by jibeho
Still trying to figure out the relevance of pointing out that some people still have a favorable opinion of Bush and how it correlates to this movement. Oh wait just another tactic to stir up the vitriol and fodder.
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Not a tactic to draw stir up vitriol and fodder.

Actually a CRITICAL OBSERVATION.

57% of Tea Party members have a favorable view of X-President Bush.

Hit the pause buttion...what does this tell us?

It tells us the Tea Party is a fraud...or at least 57% of them are thus far.

The Tea Party Movement was founded on frustration and anger centered around the excesses of wall street and the banks and most of all the government that bailed them out.

It is purportedly thier central cause and founding premise.

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110-343, enacted October 3, 2008), commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system, is a law enacted in response to the subprime mortgage crisis authorizing the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend up to US$700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities, and make capital injections into banks

President (George W.) Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating a $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program to purchase failing bank assets

en.wikipedia.org...

So how does a movement FOUNDED on anger and frustration with the Bailouts that were crafted, instituted and enacted by a Republican Congress...and signed into law by President GW Bush...end up with a membership whose majority view President GW Bush as favorable?


This statistic is damning evidence of the Hijacking of the movement and painfully relevant.


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reply to post by maybereal11

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I know you remember that Bush was a 2 term president. Do you think it is even remotely possible that people still may have a positive overall impression of the man in lieu of some of his late term antics?

Is it wrong for these people to feel this way??


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Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by maybereal11

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I know you remember that Bush was a 2 term president. Do you think it is even remotely possible that people still may have a positive overall impression of the man in lieu of some of his late term antics?

Is it wrong for these people to feel this way??

Not "wrong" necessarily, it just proves that in the minds of many, those people are morons. They in fact have let....

their ideology get in the way of their common sense.

I just learned a little more about this survey that I find quite interesting.

A New York Times/CBS News poll found that a majority of Americans, 52 percent, think the policies of President Barack Obama are moving the United States toward socialism

Published April 14, the poll surveyed the political, racial, and social opinions of both the general pubic and self-described members of the tea party movement.

This certainly contradict the widely played stereotypes

The poll also found that while tea party members generally shared the economic concerns of the broader population, this did not motivate their strong opposition to Obama. That opposition was based on the president’s policies, not on the poor economy or on other factors, such as the president’s race.

In fact, the racial attitudes of tea party members fell in line with those of the rest of the country, with 73 percent of tea party members saying that blacks and whites had an equal chance of success – a view held by 60 percent of Americans.

According to this poll (amazingly) it would appear that tea party members are just like the average number of Americans as a whole. Why am I not surprised by this.

Eighty-nine percent of tea partiers thought that Obama has expanded government too much in trying to deal with the recession, an opinion which fell in line with the views of 50 percent of the country.

Tea party activists also agreed with the rest of the country – though in higher proportions – on the issue of federal bank bailouts. Seventy-four percent of tea partiers said the economy would have improved without the bailouts -- a view shared by 51 percent of Americans generally.

The finding that should most worry incumbents who do not share tea party members’ views was that 97 percent of the activists are registered voters.

97% are registered.

cnsnews.com...

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I don't find the poll results surprising and here's why.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by maybereal11

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I know you remember that Bush was a 2 term president. Do you think it is even remotely possible that people still may have a positive overall impression of the man in lieu of some of his late term antics?

Is it wrong for these people to feel this way??


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Not at all. I think he sucked for various reasons, but I also don't think the financial meltdown was something he caused and I rightly defend him on various issues. He did a few things well...but most things very badly.

To your point..."People" can have an overall positive impression of him, BUT the TPM is founded on the idea that his decision was the worst thing to ever happen to this country, they are purportedly fueled by it...

It's supposedly their Central Cause...get it? People...fine, TPM...C'Mon, It's like the KKK saying they hate African Americans, but they think Martin Luther King was a great guy!

[edit on 16-4-2010 by maybereal11]

reply to post by jibeho

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You are not making sense...So you found that the Poll showed that Tea Party Members have an issue/ideological agenda that differs from what they originally claimed the movement was? Didn't you just make my point that the party has been hijacked?

And FYI - 89% thinking that Obama's policies are too far reaching as opposed to 50% of general public...that does not equal the TPM being mainstream...either statistically or by the narrow question that was asked.

Again it illustrates the opposite and furthers the evidence that they are GOP by any other name.

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reply to post by maybereal11

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Im always astounded when people make claims and assumptions w out actually doing any research as to who and why.

Seriously, dig a little bit and find out WHY the tea parties were started, dont speculate because it fits into the subject matter of the OP

Thats just bad investigation, and definitely NOT denying ignorance.

The Tea Party movements CORE foundation isnt bush and his policies, or a left right paradigm........its the CONSTITUTION , simple.......easy....to the point...

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask


The Tea Party movements CORE foundation isnt bush and his policies, or a left right paradigm........its the CONSTITUTION , simple.......easy....to the point...

Perhaps you should follow your own advice and do a little investigation. I'm surprised you missed this. Deny ignorance indeed....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and

rawstory.com...


Grassroots

[edit on 16-4-2010 by whaaa]

reply to post by maybereal11

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And FYI - 89% thinking that Obama's policies are too far reaching as opposed to 50% of general public...that does not equal the TPM being mainstream...either statistically or by the narrow question that was asked.

That's 89% of the TPM surveyed jives with 50% of general public. The movement is small as it relates to the general population as a whole and 89% of this movement are in line with half the population. If they are in line with half of the population I would say that is mainstream.

These numbers a are direct reflection of Obama's popular vote margin. Which barely edged over the 50% mark. Many of those voters were the swing voters that gave him the win and the benefit of the doubt. Those voters are now shifting back to their core values. According to the survey roughly 41% consider themselves to be Independent. The tide is continually edging north of 50+% that are opposed to Obama's policies.

[edit on 16-4-2010 by jibeho]

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by maybereal11

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I know you remember that Bush was a 2 term president. Do you think it is even remotely possible that people still may have a positive overall impression of the man in lieu of some of his late term antics?

Is it wrong for these people to feel this way??

Not "wrong" necessarily, it just proves that in the minds of many, those people are morons. They in fact have let....

their ideology get in the way of their common sense.

Morons who let their ideology get in the way of their common sense??

Pretty much sums up Obama and his close knit band of advisers and minstrels. Hence the notion of Obama's agenda advancement at all costs.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by maybereal11

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Im always astounded when people make claims and assumptions w out actually doing any research as to who and why.

The Tea Party movements CORE foundation isnt bush and his policies, or a left right paradigm........its the CONSTITUTION , simple.......easy....to the point...

Yah me too..

Ironic you chose not to post any links to support your claim...

Here is their first public Protest...

February 27, 2009: to protest the TARP bailout bill signed by Bush, and the stimulus bill then-recently passed by Congress

en.wikipedia.org...

This is who started it and why

February 1st, 2009 "tea party campaign"
On January 19, 2009, Graham Makohoniuk, a part-time trader and a member of Ticker Forum, posted a casual invitation on the market-ticker.org forums to "Mail a tea bag to congress and to senate".[32] The idea quickly caught on with others on the forum, some of whom reported being attracted to the inexpensive, easy way to reach "everyone that voted for the bailout."

en.wikipedia.org...

Now what you are talking about...the whole "Constitution" thing...that is pure bred GOP rhetoric used to oppose healthcare reform...again you are making the case for me.

The party has been hijacked.

Sure it's about the constitution now..it was about healthcare reform before that....and it is soon to be about..irony of ironies...protesting the reform of financial regulations designed to safeguard the government ever having to bail out banks again. Otherwise protecting the investment banks that benefited from the bailouts from stricter regulation.

How did the movement change...they were HIJACKED by the GOP. The very idea you think they started in response to concerns about the "Constitution" simply proves my point and is a revisionist history that the very founders of the TPM would find offensive.

Want more history? Why did a movement originally upset with the bank bailouts all of a sudden become about "healthcare reform"?

Freedomworks created the Tea Party Express...Literally..Freedomworks is run by Dick Armey...His other job was as a Lobbyist taking money from big pharma while coordinating and paying for the "Tea Party Express" to protest Healthcare reform.

Alleged role in organized disruptions of August 2009 town hall meetings on health care reform
In 2009, FreedomWorks launched a campaign against health care reform proposals, accusing the Obama administration of attempting to "socialize medicine".[13] Referencing a piece entitled "On Private Conference Call, Tea Party Organizers Say No Reform At All is Goal" on Greg Sargent's liberal blog The Plum Line, [14] Rachel Maddow argued in her investigative report entitled "TRMS Investigates FreedomWorks" [15] that the right's strategy was to disrupt and shut down the August 2009 town hall congressional meetings on health care reform[15] by “scaring real Americans with increasingly paranoid and kooky lies about health care and then providing a script for how to express that fear.”[16] At many of the town halls Democratic "members of Congress have been shouted down, hanged in effigy and taunted by crowds" [17] in an apparent organized effort to rattle the congresspeople presiding over the meetings rather than to seek a compromise solution to health care reform.

The phone conversation cited by Sargent in "On Private Conference Call . . ." was moderated by The Tea Party Patriots, a national co-partner of Dick Armey's FreedomWorks, according to FreedomWorks itself. The Tea Party Patriots website later called for Patriots to begin making calls to melt Congress' phone lines and to weigh in on the health care debate actively, aggressively, and with big numbers. [18]

In addition to being the chair of FreedomWorks, Dick Armey was a senior policy adviser for DC-based lobbying firm DLA Piper, whose recent and/or current clients include "pharmaceutical maker Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, ... health care provider Metropolitan Health Networks, and the pharmaceutical firm Medicines Company," [15] all entities that might benefit financially from seeing health care reform defeated.

Dick Armey's concurrent posts with both FreedomWorks and DLA Piper became particularly controversial in light of the $1,290,000 DLA Piper received in 2009 from the pharmaceutical company Medicines Co.[19] In the report cited above, Maddow also cited the example of The American Council of Life Insurers, which paid DLA Piper $100,000 shortly before FreedomWorks lobbied to deregulate life insurance, as one instance of a possible conflict of interest involving Armey and the two organizations.

en.wikipedia.org...


I like your call for research...you should try it sometime. If you don't like Wikipedia, just google Tea Party and Dick Armey...there are loads of unbiased sources that will confirm the facts.


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reply to post by maybereal11

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you can post what you want from the liberal media outlets that continue to bash the tea party movement all you want, it doesnt help your case

I know what the teaparty stands for because IM A PART OF IT here in Boise

you want links?



teapartypatriots.ning.com...

how bout you go to the source itself

yes deny ignorance indeed

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by maybereal11

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teapartypatriots.ning.com...

Oh ...you mean the "Tea Party Patriots"?

Back in June, members of the Tea Party Patriots were batting around ideas for a logo to be used for an upcoming Tea Party protest in Washington on September 12. One Tea Partier sent links to some designs he had made, and other members offered positive and negative feedback.

But the discussion was soon cut short by Amy Kremer, the Tea Party Patriot national coordinator who last month refused to condemn racist emailer and Tea Partier David McKalip. Kremer told the group:

Hey All, Not to be a pain, but this is not Tea Party Patriots logo to change. This is FreedomWorks logo and they have said they are keeping the original design. I do not know why this discussion is continuing. TPP (Jenny Beth) has already conatcted (sic) them and shared their response with everyone.

TPP is not going to contact them again about the issue.

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...

After FreedomWorks orchestrated the original Tea Party protests last April, it ostensibly handed over the reins of the movement to a third group, called the Tea Party Patriots. But internal correspondence from the group's private listserv obtained by Rolling Stone makes clear that FreedomWorks is still calling the shots. In June, after activists on the list began advocating to change a Tea Party logo, a top official from FreedomWorks stepped in and shut down the discussion. "I talked to everyone here," wrote Brendan Steinhauser, director of federal and state campaigns for FreedomWorks, "and there was consensus that we will keep the logo."

www.rollingstone.com...

YOU ARE BEING USED.

Your political outrage belongs to Freedomworks...Dick Armey (Former GOP Congressman and Lobbyist for Big Pharma...

Rub your eyes...research...read... confirm..

But you do yourself a diservice acting like you are blind.

Originally posted by sos37
Somehow I missed the memo which said Fox wasn't a reputable source of news .

Sorry, here's an excerpt...............................

FOX News won a lawsuit based on their First Amendment Rights which allows them to lie and distort the truth. Here is proof of that claim:

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves.

Source

I'm sure that, for some, watching FOX News is actually kind of fun, like self gratification. But you just wouldn't want your friends to catch you doing it.

Their motto is " We Report, You Decide." The only problem is THEY decide WHAT to report. Oh yea and they lie.

More FOX NEWS Lies

For those who would rather watch:



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