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Because I am a Mason, I cannot talk about history.. because I belong to a historical organization.
I also have a degree in history.
Whether or not you believe Masonry its self had any hand in the framing of the country, I suppose its a matter of perspective.. which came first, Masonry or enlightened ideas? I believe the Enlightened ideas came first.
True.. except nothing I've mentioned in my previous posts was about Freemasonry at all .. it was about the Holy Roman Empire, which you were woefully ignorant of.
The Holy Roman Empire was endorsed by the Pope, way back in the 900's .. however there was a bitter relationship that eventually destroyed all ties with the church.
Not at all, all organizations and it's members are, or should be, open to critique. You can insult the organization I belong to all you want, it's a bit unbecoming of you
These other ignorant fools might inflate your ego, and you might feel secure in this bubble you build around your self that with any quip you can dispell anything said against you. Fact is: You were wrong. I point out yet another topic that you are completely wrong about. You take issue with it. THAT is what I find amusing. And sad.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix
Wouldn't it be great if everyone realized it though. All that money, we have been paying so long, just to build a prison of lies and illusions.
It shouldn't always have to be that way. There must be a better way?
Thanks for posting.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Another history lesson for you (since you obviously slept through your history lessons) .. In Rome, the Thumbs Down meant "live" (or more precisely 'sword down') Thumbs UP meant "kill".
Do keep in mind that some people would consider a degree in history to simply be a degree in dogma
Being able to parrot those things, no matter how virulently does not necessarily make them true or valid, or even insightful.
Who says that they are enlightened ideas, the Masons who keep them secret as part of an organization, or the masses that those things are largely kept from?
Yet that presumption of non-gauged and non-measured ‘enlightenment’ to some would come off more as arrogance
You haven't been able to prove anything I have said about the Holy Roman Empire is false.
It's all deflection.
Don't care much about the character assassination.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
People seem to be mad I called him a bigot because the very first thing he did was belittle me for my involvement with Freemasonry. Typical ATS though.
Originally posted by UMayBRite!
Wasn't it Henry VIII that created the Church of England and threw off the "Yoke of Rome"?
It that case, why would his successor go to the trouble to calling himself
Elector of the Holy Roman Empire? Perhaps the King of England wasn't as independent
as some think..
Maybe the OP's history isn't as Butchered as our European Friend claims...
Theres a massive banking conspiracy in the World.. they own our governments, and likely us .. I know I'm worth more dead than alive anyways.. I just cannot see the logic in them needing all these massive conspiracies.
You want to get there first, you want to do it quietly, you want to do it before competition drives up the cost, and you want to do it when people feel they have no, or limited options, and not all the options of the world.
The second element to secrecy and manipulation is motivation. Productivity has largely always been affected by carrots and sticks, yet manipulation exists too.
and I sat there having to eat dinner in drag, for hours, I realized I had been manipulated.
So in reality they are tricking us, into giving to them, through our desire to have it, and have it first and keep it, what they in fact want, or property, our businesses, our valuables and resources, all of which they are willing to loan money on and then hopefully acquire after we subsidize the purchase of it.
Secrecy is a huge part of the formula
You're quite right about Henry V111. The answer to your question is that being Elector of the Roman Empire had nothing whatsoever to do with being King of England. George got his German titles from his German ancestry and his royal title from the other side of the family. The idea that the Electoral title came from something William the Conqueror did was quite accurately described as a butchering of history, because it isn't true.