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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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With all the information that we have supplied, all the DVD's documenting the Elite and the world powers, some people STILL refer to the history books written by the few, who do not want the many, to know the secrets and the deciet they have perpetrated. What in the hell is wrong with this world society again?

When one does a complete and thorough research of a topic and places data and records in front of all to see, there are still some who embrace the text book as the ONLY viable truth? I went to school too and to college. I am so pissed off that I was decieved and taught a bunch of BS, I would, if I could, take these people out back and throttle them to no end, just like my grandfather used to do.

But alas, we must deal with the here and now. I see that no one has asked why it is called the "Holy Roman Empire"? After all, when Ceaser ruled it was refered to as the Roman Empire, when did it become "holy"? I know the answer, does anyone else?

If Jesus, if that was his real name, was killed, murdered, whatever term you wish to use, by the Roman gaurds, WHY oh WHY is the center of Christ-ianity or Catholicism, not sure I spelled that right, in the center of Rome? Why isn't it in Jerusalem? Did the Israeli's hate him that much too.

When I went to catechism, my question was always the same, WHY? Why is the center of the religion in ROME, the capital of the country, who's elite gaurd, murdered the man. Now there is a shrine to him, a holy temple and all that jazz.

Does that make sense?

So we can see how we have been duped and manipulated into the falacy of the ruling powers. I think there pomp and circumstance is one huge circus and the Elite are the clowns. I think that is just too funny, they are so full of themselves it's ridiculous.

I could go on about the flag poles and the ball at the top and all the other little trinckets they use to decieve, but it is pointless. It matters not to those in the know. Most people shrug it off as stupid to believe that stuff. That is exactly what the elite look for too. Job well done on them.




posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan
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At least I admitted I was wrong about that particular part of the treaty where a British Nobility title is placed before his Kingship title - the Elector title is still way down the list and has no significance. It does not alter anything major to what I have already said.



Where titles are concerned, the most important are the first and the last. The prince-elector and arch-treasurer aren’t way down the list, they are last on the list, and in fact the very most important ones.

As those are also the ones that apply to his ongoing powers regarding the United States, further, no most potent princes is not an English Monarchy title, because one can not be a prince and a King at the same time, of the same system. That is just plain common sense. He is a prince, the most potent prince of Rome, and a King of England.

If you are genuinely worried about what you term to be potentially gullible people, and not desirous or incapable of including common sense in your arguments, some might contend that the best place to then protect the gullible would be in the mirror.

In fact there is such an abundance of evidence in our faces, from not just the treaties, but our legal system in general, to our currency, to the architecture of our government buildings, to our religions, to the hierarchy and protocols regarding nobility, to banking and international trade, that the Roman Empire is alive and well, it in fact takes fantastical explanations that lack and defy common sense to contend otherwise.

History’s mysteries aren’t so hard to discover and decipher, when one has a genuine desire, simply to investigate, and learn with an objective mind, that looks at the facts, and not the dogmas, and the maturity to then accept the truths one discovers.

It is in fact critical, that people do this, for you can’t get to where you are going, if you don’t know where you are from and your starting point.

Many would argue that humanity is stuck in circular patterns that cause the same old things, many of them bad, to repeat themselves again and again. Why this is happening, and in my humble opinion it is happening, is because people aren’t able to learn history’s lessons, because history has been so distorted to them, to perpetuate a hidden and destructive power structure.

That power structure is Rome. Some would contend it is gullible to believe otherwise. I on the other hand just investigate and learn, and where ever that takes me, and what ever truths are discovered, are simply what they are.

Live and learn my friend.

Live and learn.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Well we will have to agree to disagree. I am right about the titles as I have looked them up, but then you will not believe me as you have your own thoughts on the subject and common sense is not going to persuade you otherwise. All I would be doing is wasting precious minutes of my life argueing the toss with you and you are so blinkered in your theory to look outside of it.

Have a nice life chasing the Romans. I will continue on my life looking after the reality of it.

regards
Wotan



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Actually no you haven’t looked them up; you have looked at them and talked about them. Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on how for one to understand them, you would actually have to use contemporary source definition sources of that time period.

What sources did you use from that time frame? What definitions did they provide you, what are those sources to cite.

Saying you have done something, and actually having done something, are two very different things.

You aren’t agreeing to disagree, you are simply looking for another way to foist your opinions as being factual, based on dogmas, without having done any serious, objective, due, diligence investigation, and then proclaiming that anyone who has, and has come up with real answers different than the dogmas, is suffering from some illusion or worse still delusion.

Amazingly you do this to defend the wealthiest and second wealthiest people on earth, on a planet where scarcity and deprivation and indifference, largely perpetuated in its entirety by such people, rules supreme.

One might ask if you are incapable of discerning there is something very wrong with this picture, or if you simply enjoy that picture so much, you can’t tolerate someone who would ask what is wrong with it and to look for those answers.

At best such a person would simply be a lackey and or a henchman, of those people and systems that propagate intolerable cruelty, at worst, someone with a vested stake in such a system, and underlying need to perpetuate it.

Either way, you haven’t presented any credible resources to back up those claims, and have resorted to ad hominid tactics again and again to try to compensate for that.

Do you even know what it means to agree to disagree?

I would like to believe you have the best of intentions, but truly, critical minds require more than just opinion, and you haven’t rendered anything in the way of critical research that can be cited, that would make your opinions anything but opinions.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


He was also the arch-treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire, because back in the 1200’s William the Conqueror bequeathed England and all his, and his heirs possessions to the Pope and Rome in exchange for his Blessing.


William the Conqueror? I think you must be thinking of William the Immortal. William the Bastard died in 1087, a 113 years short of the 1200s.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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What do you base your theory on of Rome 'owning' the UK? I would also like to see some documentary evidence of it as well.

It seems rather strange to me, that someone like you in all of history and of all acedemia seem to have 'found' something that others have missed. Do you wonder why I am sceptical?



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by daddio
If Jesus, if that was his real name, was killed, murdered, whatever term you wish to use, by the Roman gaurds, WHY oh WHY is the center of Christ-ianity or Catholicism, not sure I spelled that right, in the center of Rome? Why isn't it in Jerusalem? Did the Israeli's hate him that much too.


You are wrong. Jesus was killed AT THE REQUEST of jews who did not appreciate "a fake messiah" causing trouble in the land of israel/palestine. The roman governer of the land was initially against his execution but was persuaded to allow it.


Originally posted by daddio
When I went to catechism, my question was always the same, WHY? Why is the center of the religion in ROME, the capital of the country, who's elite gaurd, murdered the man. Now there is a shrine to him, a holy temple and all that jazz.


If you actually knew REAL HISTORY, rather than make it up as you go along to justify your hate of rome, you would KNOW rome was the most powerful empire during that period. It only makes sense that if rome was the center of the known world it also makes sense that rome(technically the vatican) would also be the center of christianity.


Originally posted by daddio
Does that make sense?


Yes it makes 100% sense if you know real history.


Originally posted by daddio
So we can see how we have been duped and manipulated into the falacy of the ruling powers. I think there pomp and circumstance is one huge circus and the Elite are the clowns. I think that is just too funny, they are so full of themselves it's ridiculous.


Saying "the elite" just won't cut it pal! You ACTUALLY have to know WHO the elite are and many people(including myself) have given this info out many times, only to have it ignored or ridiculed.

Thanks for the discussion...



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
This is not only entirely untrue, but unsourced too.

I am an outspoken critic of Zionism, but in fact, I see it to be an organization controlled by Rome, and can source dozens of posts where I have stated clearly in debates with people who think Zionism is the driving culprit that it is not, but that it is Rome.


You just admitted your an outspoken critic of zionism so I don't think I am wrong in anything. And your taking it a step forward to say rome controls israel which is more laughable, or sad depending on how one looks at it.


Originally posted by daddio
What I have simply displayed in this thread is the road an American's Tax Money travels and why.


You did not display anything. Your making *way out there* assumptions based on a supposedly vague/secret treaty of paris. A lot of people have tried to correct you but you insist on speculating with a very poor taste.


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Obviously you don't appreciate that.


You should understand foreign citizens do not like to be slandered by AT BEST unsubstantianed rumors. If I were british, a roman or a jew I would certainly take offense!


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They have told me, you can't please everyone all of the time, and I am inclined to accept that.

I am not alone in these beliefs, and misrepresenting my own beliefs, and actions, as a obvious means to discredit, is well...

You know what that is!

Thanks for posting.


The only thing I am inclined to believe is:

1)You are poorly informed, or
2)Your agenda is less than honest



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You ACTUALLY have to know WHO the elite are and many people(including myself) have given this info out many times, only to have it ignored or ridiculed.


Hmmm, I see. What you're saying is, when you have a theory you've researched in depth enough to to consider it a fact, it's really frustrating to have it ridiculed, or dismissed without reasonable consideration.

Sound familiar?



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You should understand foreign citizens do not like to be slandered by AT BEST unsubstantianed rumors. If I were british, a roman or a jew I would certainly take offense!


Don't worry, we're used to it. The British - and by that people usually mean English - having been taking the blame for the world's ills for over a 100 years, and in some cases, almost a 1000 years.

It's what makes whiny threads from some Americans - "the world hates us!" - all the more laughable. They think it's tiresome now, after only a decade of it? They can come back in another 100 years and we'll take the boo-hooing a little more seriously.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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You should understand foreign citizens do not like to be slandered by AT BEST unsubstantianed rumors. If I were british, a roman or a jew I would certainly take offense!


I think this sums up all your arguments nicely.

You can't stand anyone that questions the status quo because of you percieve identity based on these things.

What you have failed to do, is to establish slander.

And no matter how you attempt to mangle what I have said in my posts, to try to construe them as having said something differently than what I have, my posts remain as testaments to what I actually have said.

Which might make some people wonder, why it is your arguments against what you contend are slander, can't be made in any other way, than misquoting my posts, speculating about my motivations, and evoking national and religious fervor as a means to counter a lot of well thought out research time and effort.

Your arguments will become effective when you do!

Thanks for illustrating what so far is the sole basis for your contention, in that some people can't stand to be questioned.

I wonder why?

Thanks for posting.

Nothing vague or loose about my research or methedology, I have laid out a compelling and factual case for where American Tax Payer money goes and why.

Israel is by the way a creation and tool of the Zionists, and the Zionists are a creation and tool of the Papal Rothschilds.

Papal being the key words there.

They play a key role, in getting modern day events to mimic religious philosophy to ease reistence on the march to a one world government.

To which there is no shortage of evidence to demonstrate that they are doing that, and that the Zionists are in control of Israel, that Rothschild is in control of the Zionists, and that the Papacy is in control of the Rothschilds.

My whole opening post is about following the money.

All roads lead to Rome!



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You should understand foreign citizens do not like to be slandered by AT BEST unsubstantianed rumors. If I were british, a roman or a jew I would certainly take offense!


Don't worry, we're used to it. The British - and by that people usually mean English - having been taking the blame for the world's ills for over a 100 years, and in some cases, almost a 1000 years.

It's what makes whiny threads from some Americans - "the world hates us!" - all the more laughable. They think it's tiresome now, after only a decade of it? They can come back in another 100 years and we'll take the boo-hooing a little more seriously.



Interesting, two anti-monarchy threads on the go.

If you seriously think this is anything to do with 'monarchy' then you're seriously confused. There's plenty of places in Africa that aren't run by monarchy and are completely screwed.

I've just had to stomach a year of Americans (understandably) complaining about their economy with bail-outs and various other scams. I'm not aware of America having a 'monarchy' unless there's a secret, self-hating hankering for George the III merchandise that I'm not aware of.

I'm a socialist politically, I'm hardly a monarchist. The truth of this is that people at the top, whether it's a monarchy, republic or whatever, tend to cream the top off for themselves whilst the little guy gets shafted. If you only see this in monarchies, then you're really on the wrong site.



Meriem Weir Quote From African Monarchs No Wonder

If you aren’t the Queen of England, or the Pope, or a prince of Rome, it is simply an ugly form of ego laden self flattery that would delude anyone into thinking this thread is about anyone other than the principle players.

As your own above words, in your own words display you are a monarchist, and any monarchy is a good one.

That you don’t like especially Americans questioning the monarchal system of plunder and murder and hording wealth, deception and lies, and gross manipulations, while evoking extreme privilege and immunity in that process.

That somehow the actions of despots and tyrants are only objectionable to those who are simply willing to question them and to challenge them, but that there is something wrong with anyone who does question and challenge them.

Because ultimately you believe in Hegelian principles where the State is everything, and the citizen in it is nothing, and only exists to worship the State.

That your arguments boil down to nationalistic pride, and love for archaic systems tend to suggest, that you have no real research to counter the claims.

Which are in all reality completely off topic, and entirely disingenuous, and devoid of any critical thought or research to display that the trail of American Tax money does not go to the English Monarch and then on to Rome and the Vatican.

In fact all I stand convinced of by such arguments is that I have struck a nerve somewhere, and an important one.

Which should prove pretty interesting on April 25th, when I unveil my All Roads Lead to Rome thread!

Edit to add, I really loved this thread and opening post of yours!




'Free Speech' in America

I know I've a reputation amongst some here for being an 'America-basher', but that's honestly not what this thread is about. This is a genuine question and I sincerely hope to learn something.

I often see the notion of free speech thrown about on this forum, often within the context of Americans being free to say what they want whenever they want and often also in the context of Americans being freer than anyone else in the world to say whatever they want when they want.



Free Speech in America

Bother you much that the serfs in the Colonies are so presumptuous?





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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

In fact all I stand convinced of by such arguments is that I have struck a nerve somewhere, and an important one.


Erm, not really. I'm just pissing myself because the quote you posted about the African monarch was in relation to another poster who, on another thread, claimed:


Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
And the British still worship monarchy and have a Queen!


Hence my comment about two anti-monarchy threads.

And then, here are you posting:


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTravelerBecause ultimately you believe in Hegelian principles where the State is everything, and the citizen in it is nothing, and only exists to worship the State.


You couldn't make it up!


Then it gets worse, with this nonsense:


As you own above words, in your own words display you are a monarchist, and any monarchy is a good one.


How the hell you managed to craft that up I don't know, especially from what I've posted. All I say is that despite being a socialist, I've no real beef with the present monarchy in Britain. Contrary to the opinions of many people who don't live here, it's not as if they're throwing chamber pots and dead rats out of the windows of a jewel encrusted carriage as they pass by down cobbled streets lined by prostrate serfs. They're tourist magnets and re-enactors in 'living history' museums.

Then, I point out in the African monarch thread that there's corruption at the top whatever the system including monarchies: it doesn't matter who is at the top, the people at the bottom get shafted. It just so happens that in British society, despite what you think and what you post, the bourgeoisie and the middle-classes in Parliament present much more of a threat to the proles and the lumpen proles than the aristocracy and the monarchy. Hence, the reason I have less of a problem with the present Royals than I do the present government and politicians of various political stripes.

So I'm not really sure how or why you're pulling this nonsense out of your arse!



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Of course what you haven't pointed out is any valid research to dispute the contentions and premises laid out in my opening thread.

The reality is that thread is not about you as a English citizen, it's about the Treaty of Paris, and how the Revolutionary War really concluded, and there is no dispute that the Treaty was written by the King and the Terms dictated by the Europeans.

Nor is the thread about me.

The thread is about the principle participants, the amounts of money owed after the war and for what, and the taxation system here in America and where that Tax money flows, how and why.

That you would like to make it about you or me is telling.

Once again I urge everyone to read the source documents, and look for answers to any questions in comtemporary difinitive source guides available at that time, for an accurate reflection.

This will require some due dilligence and access to a major and old library that has rare out of print books on it's shelves.

Pretty simple.

Thanks for bumping the thread, with your personal appeals and concerns, it helps in getting the word out!

Thanks.



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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Of course what you haven't pointed out is any valid research to dispute the contentions and premises laid out in my opening thread.


Erm... PompousTraveler, all I did was initially correct one of your 'facts'.


The reality is that thread is not about you as a English citizen,


That's funny, because you've copied and pasted content from other threads to actually make it about me. Incidentally, one of the more childish things I've seen on this board.



That you would like to make it about you or me is telling.


See above, funny man.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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All I have pointed out is your argument basically boils down to some people get their feelings hurt when any intelligent conversation has to do with their own nation of origin.


That there is a difference between the Ego (the self) and Higher Conscious (Objectivity) and that you are someone particularly offended when conversations and topics offend the sense of Ego and Self.

Saying you have valid research that disputes something and actually displaying it are two different things.

You have claimed it, but as an imperative, not by actually displaying it.

Many of the people posting to the thread are Objective and would welcome valid research other than Ego and Self related opinion, I happen to be one of them.

So if and when you can pull the Ego together, and engage in that, I would be delighted to read yours.

Just as hundreds of people have been delighted to read mine!


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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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But that is just the problem isnt it, you have NOT shown us any research whatsoever. Your theory is all conjecture with no sound basis, no facts, no documentary evidence.

WE do not have to provide any evidence whatsover, its all in our history books. Its your outlandish theory - YOU need to provide the proof, otherwise your theory reverts to the status quo.

If as you say the world is run by Rome, dont you honestly think it would have come to light by now considering the timescale?

Secrets do not stay secret for very long, especially a secret of the type your theory suggests.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
What you have failed to do, is to establish slander.


Slander is making false accussations.


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
And no matter how you attempt to mangle what I have said in my posts, to try to construe them as having said something differently than what I have, my posts remain as testaments to what I actually have said.

Which might make some people wonder, why it is your arguments against what you contend are slander, can't be made in any other way, than misquoting my posts, speculating about my motivations, and evoking national and religious fervor as a means to counter a lot of well thought out research time and effort.


Frankly, I don't think you proved anything.

You simply spent a lot of time and effort on speculation.


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Your arguments will become effective when you do!


My arguements are my opinions and I am entitled to them as you are entitled to yours. The integrity issue comes into play when you post opinions as facts. I am sure you understand what I am talking about, don't you?


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Thanks for illustrating what so far is the sole basis for your contention, in that some people can't stand to be questioned.


I don't belong to the rothschild family so attacking me is pointless. I am not even british, roman or jewish. I simply hate slander based on speculation.

For one, its unproffesional and second its unethical.



Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I wonder why?

Thanks for posting.

Nothing vague or loose about my research or methedology, I have laid out a compelling and factual case for where American Tax Payer money goes and why.

Israel is by the way a creation and tool of the Zionists, and the Zionists are a creation and tool of the Papal Rothschilds.

Papal being the key words there.

They play a key role, in getting modern day events to mimic religious philosophy to ease reistence on the march to a one world government.

To which there is no shortage of evidence to demonstrate that they are doing that, and that the Zionists are in control of Israel, that Rothschild is in control of the Zionists, and that the Papacy is in control of the Rothschilds.


You can say whatever you want about rome and the vatican but most people will probably not agree with you because as big and corupt as it may be, IT STILL IS THE HOUSE OF GOD and deserves a little respect.

Its really that simple! You don't like the status quo? Great, I don't either but at least I know who to blame and where to stop. You on the other hand are a loose cannon attacking everyone and everything with little or no merit.

Think about that and then google *satanic bloodlines of the illuminati* to understand why the rothschild family IS ONLY ONE of the 13 families that are setting us up to the nwo. Hint: ZIONISM, ROME, ENGLAND AND THE USA HAVE SQUAT TO DO with satanism and the NWO....



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Once again read the Treaty of Paris, it is obviously dictated to the revolutionaries that supposedly won the war.

It's in black and whtie.

So is the history of the First and Second United States Bank.

So are the titles of the people involved in the treaties.

So is the national debt being paid to foriegn powers.

So is the history of taxation.

So is the internal history and disputes over the War of 1812, the First and Second United States Bank, the Treaties of Paris and Ghent, and the fractions they caused.

Lots of denial to pretend none of these things are not real or relevant!

You will need to come up with something factual and revealing to overcome all those things, beyond just the personal based arguments.

Thanks for bumping the thread!

You are invited by the way to do some real research instead and come up with something factual and revealing.

Thanks!



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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But that is just the problem isnt it, you have NOT shown us any research whatsoever. Your theory is all conjecture with no sound basis, no facts, no documentary evidence.


Totally incorrect!

Not only did I provide the Source Treaty, but the History of the First and Second United States Bank.

The internal political debate that they caused.

The national debt involved.

The political figures involved.

The desire of some of those political figures to do away with the First and Second United States Bank, and the King's clearly stated role in the Treaty as being our Arch Treasurer.

Also that some of those political figures wanted to do away with the electoral college here in the United States as a means to prevent the King from acting in his once again Treaty stated role as Prince Elector.

Also the myths of why the War of 1812 and the fact that even though once again America supposedly won, the Treaty was once again dictated by the English.

There is so much research involved and so well laid out, the few detractors to it are literally searching for any straw to hang what are largely emotional and nationalistic appeals to discredit it all.

Pretty funny!

The writing is on the wall for you guys.

Thanks for bumping the thread.

Much appreciated.





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