Tax Day April 15, 2010 the London Banker’s Celebration of the Anniversary of Lincoln’s Death, page 1


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Topic started on 14-4-2010 @ 11:32 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The Revolution



Once upon a time in a storied land of vast wildernesses, savage natives, majestic mountains, and raging streams, lived a beleaguered group of brave men and women, who legend says hungered and thirsted for freedom and an end to tyranny so badly they were willing to shed their blood, sweat and tears, and even their lives to achieve it.

Men and women who had immigrated from the teaming cities of Europe, to flee the oppression running rampant by despotic governments, and religious persecution had come to this largely untamed wilderness, to find sanctuary, freedom and a new lease on life.

Yet where the people went, the oppressive Masters of the Old World were sure to follow.

Masons, Quakers, Shakers, Rosicrucian, Christians and even some Black African Slaves, and some of the indigenous natives, took up arms together to band together in a struggle that would last more than a decade and change the course of the entire world forever more.

Legend tells us their heroic struggle was successful…but was it really?

The Treaty of Paris



The Definitive Treaty of Peace 1783

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch- treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America

The Treaty of Paris

King George amongst quite a lot of things as you can see by his title was really Prince George, a Prince of the Holy Roman Empire, but he wasn’t just a Prince of the Holy Roman Empire, he was a prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire, a person who could elect sates, and officials into the Roman Empire.

He was also the arch-treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire, because back in the 1200’s William the Conqueror bequeathed England and all his, and his heirs possessions to the Pope and Rome in exchange for his Blessing.

The American Colonies were in fact never the property of England to begin with because of that special arrangement. Rome simply leases all of England and the Monarchy’s property back to them, and allows them to administer it all for a profit.

In addition its important to note also that when it says Prince George, aka King George is all these wonderful things by the Grace of God, thanks to another treaty in the middle ages, that established the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, God’s sole legal representative on Earth, wherever you see the word God appear in a legal document that is actually a reference to the Vicar of Christ, who is the Pope and not the presumed God in the Heavens.

In the very first paragraph of the Preamble of the Treaty of Paris that concluded the Revolutionary War, a Treaty that was entirely dictated by King George, he clearly states he is also the United States Prince Elector and Arch-Treasurer.

While he later gives up his claims as the English Monarch to the Colonies, he makes no such distinction as Rome’s Prince Elector of the United States, and Rome’s Arch-Treasurer of the United States.

You see, as wonderful a story as the Revolution and our Forefather’s is, the truth is that the Revolution involved an attempt to steal what was vast tracts of lands, and other physical properties and assets, that were owned by the King of England, the King of Spain, and their High Mightiness of the Netherlands, all of which happened to be princes of Rome, and all of whom owed their titles and kingdoms to Rome.

All of whom along with a powerful assortment of other European Bankers and Creditors who stood to loose a fortune in Property, could have easily kept sending armies to conquer the Revolutionaries right on up through today.

They could also block the Revolutionaries from International Trade and Commerce and starve them into submission.

So when our plenipotentiaries John Jay, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin arrived in Paris, via the Courts of Madrid and the Netherlands, to the Court of Versailles in Paris to negotiate the Treaty, what they had waiting for them there was not cowered nobles impressed by a few tactical battle field victories, but angry owners and creditors who wanted to know how they would be paid for their property and possessions if they allowed a new nation to spring into existence.

A nation that King George would name, and elect to reserve judgment always on who would lead it, and to control its money, a nation that the people who had just fought to in essence steal it, didn’t have the gold and silver to pay for it, or for all the outstanding loans against it.

In a world where you can’t get away with shoplifting a pack of chewing gum at the supermarket, the theft of nearly an entire continent, no matter how lofty the stated intentions of the thieves was not going to stand.

Our plenipotentiaries were dictated too, the treaty was dictated to them; they had a few choices, have the King of England appoint a King of the United States of America, or model a republic off of Rome. Write a constitution that guaranteed everyone’s repayment, and some nominal controls behind the scenes, create a census to count the people who now belong to you so we can formulate the terms of the loan based on their productivity, or face endless war, blockades and embargo and your eventual ruin and infamy.

Our forefathers opted for posterity, they sold out, and cut that deal.

The Constitution



While many of us believe and want to believe that the United States Constitution was written for “We the People” and remains or at least should as an enduring testament to hard won freedoms and principles we all hold as lofty and noble, the truth is not quite so kind.

The Constitution was written in large part for the Posterity of the Founding Fathers, but in larger part to Guarantee London and Rome and our other European Benefactors and Creditors that the properties and lands stolen by the Revolutionaries, and the loans defaulted on during the Revolutionary War would be paid back.

When one stops to consider the high likelihood just as the Treaty of Paris States, that the King of England in his Holy Roman Empire Role as Prince Elector, and Arch-Treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire and the newly named and formed United States of America sought to control America’s finances and money from the very beginning.

To facilitate the behinds the scenes payments of the large debts for the land and properties acquired during the Revolutionary War, that the new citizens of the United States had no idea they were going to pay for, the First Bank of the United States was created by Congress on February 25, 1791.

Congress granted it a 20 year charter, and almost from its inception the largely agrarian Southern States were mistrustful of its purpose and motives.

Controlled by London it would become the conduit for the transfer of money earned by American citizens, to in essence buy the vast tracks of land, that the Revolutionaries had stolen through the war, and then carved up into States and Counties to be controlled by America’s new aristocracy and oligarchs.

Through Taxation the people in essence would be duped into buying the land, and gifting it to the new American Oligarchs, who in time would sell it right back to them, and then further tax them for the privilege!

Originally the Constitution did not allow for the Federal Government to levy an Income Tax on the people of the nation, except in times of War declared by Congress. The Federal Government was to be financed instead by the States, who would voluntarily contribute to its upkeep and maintenance. The States would pay from the tariffs and taxes they charged locally. The question remains though, did the early governors, and county barons, know that the moneys they were collecting and forwarding to Washington D.C. to go to the First United States Bank were really for the purchase of the lands they were in essence being given in return, for collecting the money for?

Were the Southern States and their Governors and Oligarchs fully aware of this, or were they suspicious of duplicity on the part of Washington and the North Eastern Merchants in manipulating the interest rates and forever increasing the amount of the debt owed to London and Rome?

History tends to suggest that regardless of why the Southern States were distrustful of the First Bank of the United States that in 1811 the bill to recharter the bank failed in the House of Representatives by one vote, and then failed in the Senate when Vice President George Clinton broke the tie, voting against the recharter even though President Madison was in favor of it.



The First United States Bank pictured above, as is plain to see, is Roman in architecture as so many of our Public and Government Buildings are!

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reply posted on 14-4-2010 @ 11:33 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The War of 1812



So now we must ask ourselves was the failure of the Government to recharter the First United States Bank, the conduit of payments on the debt owed to London and Rome from the Revolutionary War, what really led to the War of 1812?

Official History tells us no, it was about press gangs that preyed on American Shipping by the British Navy who would then force captured American sailors into the British Navy.

It sounds nice, but the fact remains the same that it was the British who initiated the war, and it was the British who attacked the shores of America? Seems like a lot of trouble to go to just because our government was upset about American sailors having their ships prized at sea and then pressed into the British Navy.

It’s much more logical to conclude that the British were incensed that the payments on the land the Revolutionaries had attempted to steal from Europe and Roman Oligarchs and Monarchs had stopped with the ending of the First Bank of the United States.

Once again as in the Revolutionary War, when the War of 1812 concluded with the Treaty of Ghent, the English Monarch once more dictated the terms despite tactical military defeat.

What’s more shortly after the War President Madison was able to finally push through legislation for a Second United States Bank citing the rampant inflation caused during the war of 1812 as the justification.

Two questions remain though, was the rampant inflation a byproduct of falling out of the good graces of London and Rome by ceasing payments on the Revolutionary War Debts and prohibiting the King of England from acting as our Arch-Treasurer by allowing London to control America’s money through a foreign owned Central Bank like the present Federal Reserve, and the First United States Bank.

Was the inflation a natural outcropping of being isolated from International Trade which Rome and the Europeans cut and blockaded once the First United States Bank failed and the payments stopped?

The second question is did we agree in the Treaty of Ghent to open another Central Bank and once more let the English Monarch control our money through it, as a means to end the hostilities from Brittan?

What’s more is what kinds of interest and penalties were tacked on to America’s collective debt to the English Monarchy and Rome as a result?



Above is the Second United States Bank, yet another Roman facade and edifice!

A few shining Moments



As the 1820’s rolled around, not everyone was happy with the outcome of the War of 1812, as the Founding Fathers started dying off and a new generation of Americans suddenly found itself confronted with a mountain of debt owed to foreign powers, talk of conspiracies, and the Masons having conspired with the British and to hide these truths from the people spread like wild fire.

Masonic Lodges were burned to the ground and Freemasons left the Order in droves.

Yet as the vestiges of the Founders clashed with that new generation on just what these things meant, how they came to be, and what was to be done, a remarkable and charismatic man, cut of legendary cloth, a rare veteran of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, and one of it’s grand heroes stepped to the fore…

Old Hickory, President Andrew Jackson was ready to lead one more gallant charge, in a quest to become President and do away with the Second Bank of the United States.



Now let us go back to the Treaty of Paris, where King George reserves his right to be Prince Elector of the United States and Arch-Treasurer of the United States.

Then let us consider that Andrew Jackson set his sites on doing away with two things, the Second Bank of the United States, and the Electoral College that chooses the President.

The Electoral College is in fact how the English Monarchs can still alter the vote of the people of the United States, it is set up to work Exactly like the Prince Electors of the Holy Roman Empire did at it’s height.

Jackson struggled mightily against both and managed to do away with the Second Bank of the United States but did not succeed in his efforts to do away with the Electoral College, or to limit the Presidency to just one term, which he also lobbied hard for.

Now here in lies the rub, Jackson succeed in making sure that when the Second United States Bank 20 year charter ended it would not be renewed, but…Jackson also worked harder than any other President before or since to pay off our National Debt.

In 1835, a year before the Second Bank of the United States Charter would expire; Jackson managed to get the Federal Debt down to 33,733.05 cents!

Now ladies and gentlemen in the entire history of our nation, that was the closest we ever got to being free!

The Second Bank of the United States would continue to operate unofficially for 5 years after it’s charter ended, with International Money Speculators, and Traders using that institution to send Inflation spiraling.

So close and yet so far, the truth is that even to this day, the United States does not actually own the title to the land that it dwells on. It’s still leveraged, and you and I are still paying for it!

We are more in debt today than we have ever been to London, Rome and the International Money Cartel, and that is what our taxes go to pay.

In fact while the Government’s Budget has nothing to do with our National Debt, which is entirely separate, hence the confusion when someone like President Clinton has a Budget Surplus, that doesn’t mean we had no National Debt, just that the Government spent less money that it was allotted that year, and was not operating on a Deficit.

The government though only operates on 11% of what the budget is allowed for it, the Budget includes a larger percentage for financing the debt on past Military Expeditions, and Expenditures than it does on running the government.



Andrew Jackson had one more fine distinction to his advantage, when the Southern States were first wanting to secede from the Union over the Second National Bank and the Nation’s Debts and what it saw as corrupt manipulation by Northern Interests in manipulating these things Jackson talked them out of it with words, and not guns like Lincoln would a few decades later.

Geoge Bancroft wrote the veto message to Congress when Jackson vetoed the renewal of the Charter in 1836 to highlight the following perils of the Second Bank of the United States.

1. That it exposed Government to control by Foreign Interests
2. It concentrated the Nation’s wealth into a single institution.
3. It served ostensibly just to make the rich richer.
4. It had too much control over members of Congress
5. If favored North Eastern States over the Southern and Western ones.

Despite the distortions in the press and media, Americans should never mistake that it was the South who left the Union and not over Slavery, but because of financial malfeasance in Washington and the North East that worked against it.

There is though more than one way to skin a cat, and while Jackson’s victories were incomplete they would also prove to be short lived.





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reply posted on 14-4-2010 @ 11:34 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The Civil War



On March 28, 1861 the United States Congress adjourned sine die (without assigning a day for a further meeting or hearing, for an indefinite period to adjourn an assembly sine die). In other words Congress went home at the start of the Civil War with no intention on returning. To call the Congress back into session De jure (concerning law and principal) would have required the Speaker of the House and Majority Leader of the Senate to set the date at a later time.

This never ever happened. Let me repeat there has been no legally sat Congress or Senate per the United States Constitution since March 28, 1861.

The Congress was called back into session de facto (concerning fact and in practice) by President Abraham Lincoln who had not the Constitutional Authority or Power to do so.

Legally, technically and factually the Constitutional Government of the United States ceased to exist forever March 28, 1861. It became a de facto War Time Emergency Government a CORPORATE Government operating under Contract Law because at that point the United States Constitution became desuetude (an outdated doctrine that causes statutes and similar legislation to become unenforceable by a habit of non-enforcement or lapse of time.)

Legal doctrine says that when something falls into desuetude and continued non-use that it is rendered invalid.

Not only did Lincoln not have the legal authority to call Congress into session under the Constitution, the Congress being illegally sat, lacked a quorum (In law a minimum number of members of a deliberative body necessary to conduct business of that group). A legislative body not meeting a quorum can not vote. The seceding States were only seceding over an unlawful attempt to infringe upon the Constitution and over an attempt to amend it illegally without a quorum and that is what caused the legal Congress to convene sine die. Lincoln’s illegal and dictatorial actions in decreeing Congress in session de facto while in sine die prevented the real Congress from ever reaching a Constitutionally legal agreement to call it back into session de jure by the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader in the Senate. Thus the Constitution was violated at its core and fell into desuetude.

Lincoln would do one more great favor for the London Bankers and their Roman Masters, though they did not see it that way at the time.

Rather than borrow Gold from London to finance the Civil War, Lincoln began to print his own Currency for the Union, the Greenback Dollar.

This was the forerunner of the Fiat De Facto Instrument of Debt Currency used today. Two different types of Green Back Notes were made, the first were known as Demand Notes, a person could in theory present it to the Government and receive close to its face value (80%) in Silver or Gold, these were circulated between 1861 and 1862.

Starting in 1862 they began making Greenbacks in a second variety known as Legal Tender. The Legal Tender notes did not have the ability to be rendered into Gold or Silver on demand, but would have to be hostage to what the Government and Banks believed they would be worth at the end of the War.

These functioned much like our current dollars do, but to give you an idea, of just how bad that is, and they were, the United States Government would not actually accept the Legal Tender Notes in circulation as payment for Tariffs!

They were in essence worthless and nothing but a vague promise.



While Lincoln created what would become the prototype currency for how the International Banking Cartel would do business, and played into the hands of the Northern Industrialists, who were making a fortune off of manufacturing War Equipment and supplies, and outfitting of the troops, the London Bankers were furious that they were cut out of the lucrative action.

Lincoln who had managed to do away with the Constitution, to corrupt and force the Supreme Court to submit and forevermore never challenge the Executive Branch, to install a Military Dictatorship and Corporate Government would be assassinated, this day April 15th, 1865 by John Wilkes Booth a man with close ties to London.



The Bankers celebrate this day, by making us all render unto Caesar that which is Caesars' on this day!

Slavery for All



Section 1 of the XIV Amendment to the United States Constitution

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

As with the Treaty of Paris language can be confusing, and even more so, when the people are told the very thing that is going to be to their great detriment is something that they have won and will be to their advantage.

While people were focused on the glad tidings that every human being in the United States now had equal rights, and slavery of one person to another was forevermore abolished, they failed to notice that at the same time, that they were all now no longer sovereign human beings as originally bestowed upon them by the Constitution, and that they were now citizens, corporate entities in name, of the United States of America and the State wherein they reside.

In one fell swoop of the pen, what had been slaves, and what had been freemen were now all made property of the State they lived in and the United States itself.

As properties of the Corporate United States and their Corporate State Subsidiary they would reside in, Citizens now being counted by the Department of Commerce for the every 10 years Census, originally foisted on us by London and Rome so they could monitor our progress and credit worthiness based on numbers, in paying back the Revolutionary War debts, would now be part of the Commerce System.

The United States Congress would forevermore be able to use its broad and sweeping Constitutional Powers to regulate Interstate Commerce by including all the Citizens into the Commerce System in this fashion, and alienating them from their Constitutional Rights with a debilitating set of Codes to regulate their freedoms and pleasures as a part of the Commerce System it could formulate any law for.

These codes that now number in the Hundreds of Thousands regulate almost every facet of our existence to the clothes we wear, to the food we eat, to how we are entertained, to how we engage in sexual conduct, and how we move from point a to point b.

The days of the sovereign human being granted exceptional Constitutional Protections was over. The day of the Corporate Citizen had arrived.

Amazingly as with the aftermath of 9-11 and the Patriot Act sold to us as a benefit to our security, when ever our rights as human beings, as divine sovereigns of our own lives are impinged upon, just as with the 14th Amendment they couch it in a celebration of what they contend is a victory for all of us.

Free Range Slavery



Free range cattle in the old west, wandered for miles, on their own, crossing the plains and the rivers, and mountains alike, with the cowboys following loosely behind and to the side. They did not feed them, or give them shelter, or water, but let them forage for themselves, and take care of themselves.

They simply herded them to slaughter, and that is what April 15th is all about.

We work to feed ourselves, we work to clothe ourselves, we work to transport ourselves, we work to house ourselves, we work to feed, and shelter and nurture our young.

Yet when all is said and done the average American will surrender a bare minimum of 25% of their income to the Federal Government and sometimes up to 45%. Sales taxes, State Taxes, County and City Taxes, licensing, fees, titles and deeds, and insurances will increase that burden for most people to around 50% of their income.

Income that goes to paying in large part a debt, that has never been paid from 1791 through to today, a debt that has grown with the international wars we are tasked to fight for the Bankers and the Industrialists to gain more credit, a debt that enslaves us.

What would you do with that extra 50% we surrender, how would it make a difference in the quality of your life, your family’s life, and your freedom to travel and entertain yourself and live?

We are economic slaves, buying for our Masters the very same property and land, that they then charge us to live on, and regulate our existence on, and tax us into near and sometimes total poverty and submission to their hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations on.

April 15th is the day we pay our Masters!



In 1911 the Treachery of Woodrow Wilson would lead to today’s Central Bank, still controlled by the same foreign interests London and Rome that still control our money!

Todays Federal Reserve as always designed with a Roman facade and edifice!



Indeed April 15th brings quite the smile to some people’s faces!



It truly does!



April 15th, time to pay the piper!

Time to pay our Masters!

Happy Tax Day everyone!



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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 12:44 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by WWJFKD


Thanks my friend, I thought the good folks at ATS might enjoy taking a more detailed look at the hidden history of the nation, and just what and who there Tax Dollars go too.

Thank you for taking the time to read it all and comment.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 12:56 AM by On the Edge
Thanks for another great history lesson! (While we don't see eye to eye on religion and matters of faith,I do respect your knowledge on these matters.)

Just a couple of quotes I'd like to add,for people like me who "collect" these kinds of things!

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."---- Woodrow Wilson

"The leadership in the US, the Congress, the White House, and the Pentagon have been taken over by a shadow government - that shadow from Wall Street and the city of London. The US is bankrupt and is being carved up like a turkey by the globalists. Europe is too… the EU is just another region being dragged into slavery… like the US-Canada-Mexico, which is now undergoing unification. I cannot believe this global nightmare being rolled out." [Oct 2007] Interveiw of Leuren Moret: Wall Street Czars depopulating the World

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people."– Theodore Roosevelt

"If you think we are free today, you know nothing about tyranny and even less about freedom."---Tom Braun, Radio Show, Spirit of '76 -- Voice of Warning

“The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.”---John Hay, 1872

"It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem."---G.K. Chesterton




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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:02 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by On the Edge


Thanks my friend, I very much appreciate you taking the time to read it.

I loved the quotes you put together too.

So much of the evidence appears circumstantial on the surface, but when you look at the notariety of some of the people involved, and the things that they hint at in what they have to say, it certainly adds to the speculation, that there is so much more than we have ever been told.

Great qoutes and a great post.

Thanks.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:23 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


Wouldn't it be great if everyone realized it though. All that money, we have been paying so long, just to build a prison of lies and illusions.

It shouldn't always have to be that way. There must be a better way?

Thanks for posting.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:30 AM by highlyoriginal
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Nice work S&F. It's going to take me a bit to go through all of this thread, but so far so good. Glad to see the number of well researched and put together threads are going up!


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:34 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by highlyoriginal
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Nice work S&F. It's going to take me a bit to go through all of this thread, but so far so good. Glad to see the number of well researched and put together threads are going up!


Thanks my friend, I am hoping that if they all build them, people will come and read them.

Lots of interesting information in this thread, and timely to go with everyone's favorite day, Tax Day!

Thanks for giving it a go.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:37 AM by anglodemonicmatrix
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I have had a similar civics lesson in Australia when I tried to find out who owns the reserve bank of Australia of which there is little or no information on but it is the 'government' which is owned by the crown,not being Queen Elizabeth but the Crown Temple or City of London i.e Rothschild et al.Virtually no Australian is aware of this.

My state Queensland is a corporation registered in the USA virtually no one knows that either.

What beats me is that logic suggests that there is a top dog or dogs who run the show and own the show,I accept that ,what beats me is the lengths to which this people hide,obfuscate or lie about themselves.What is the harm in knowing well its the Black Pope followed by the White Pope,then the Queen or Rockerfellers why do they have to hide under layers or legalese and obscure history.Why all the secrecy?

If I work for a company I know who the boss is,whats the harm in knowing who runs this rock?


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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:43 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


It's truly something how wide spread the deception is.

I think there are two primary reasons they lie to us about who runs what and who controls what.

We are first and foremost paying a fortune in taxes and fees to these people to basically finance for them, what they get to charge us taxes and fees on.

It's kind of like you buying a house, taking out a mortgage, but putting it in my name, and then paying the bank, to have me turn around and charge you rent for living there too.

If the people ever really figured out, how much we were paying, and to whom, and for what, and how little of it they actually provide us back for it, well it could lead to rebellion against them.

So they pretty much just all run around, putting on shows, full of charm and pomp and circumstance and spectacle while reminding us that they are essentially just figure heads with no real power, and while they are well off, they aren't falling down stinking rich.

I think they have been lying to us, so long, about so many things, that they genuinely fear, what would happen to them, if everyone figured it out.

They sure do love to lie.

Thanks for posting, and sharing with us how far the spider web stretches.

Great post and addition, thanks.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:48 AM by On the Edge
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I never cared so much for history until I started looking into Revelations,the "harlot" Catholic church,and governments in general whose hidden agendas seemed so obviously to be doing the will of Satan.(As in,"Ye shall know them by their fruits".)

So,I,too found out what it means by the old expression,"All Roads Lead to Rome"!

Different perspectives,but fascinating from any angle,in my opinion!

Thanks again!


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 01:54 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by On the Edge




So,I,too found out what it means by the old expression,"All Roads Lead to Rome"!


You know it's funny my friend, when I was a young boy, manners were still a very big thing, and when ever my Mother would take us into someone else's home, she would always say, "Now be polite and remember the old saying, When in Rome do as the Romans do".

Imagine my surprise the day I learned and discovered that I have been living in a Roman State my whole life.

All roads surely do lead to Rome, and our Tax Dollars follow that Road too!

Thanks for caring about these things.


reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 02:03 AM by On the Edge
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


That's funny!

And you can imagine why I,as a Christian,cringe at that saying now that I see it from my perspective!




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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 02:25 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by On the Edge
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


That's funny!

And you can imagine why I,as a Christian,cringe at that saying now that I see it from my perspective!




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There is no denying that the Christians have been terribly abused and misled by Rome. After all what is in essence the highest Christian religious authority, has been lying to the masses for centuries upon centuries.

While you object to Rome and it's actions on those Religious and Moral grounds, I object to them on General Principle.

In a way you and I do believe in the same thing, and that is Rome has got to go!
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