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Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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nytimes.com


Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

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And later in the article:


Their responses are like the general public’s in many ways. Most describe the amount they paid in taxes this year as “fair.” Most send their children to public schools. A plurality do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, they think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers. They actually are just as likely as Americans as a whole to have returned their census forms, despite some conservative leaders urging a boycott.

Tea Party supporters’ fierce animosity toward Washington, and the president in particular, is rooted in deep pessimism about the direction of the country and the conviction that the policies of the Obama administration are disproportionately directed at helping the poor rather than the middle class or the rich.

The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

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It would appear that Tea Party activists believe the Obama administration is more concerned with the poor than the middle class or the rich.

"Middle class," though, means different things to different people. Some people consider themselves middle class when they have an annual income of 30k, and some think they are middle class when their family income is 300k.

My observation is that Obama means to focus on those making 250k or less, which by my definition includes most of the working and the middle classes.

It would make sense that many Tea Partiers would be more closely identified with Republicans than Democrats, as Republicans are the party of choice of the very rich. They claim to represent the middle class too, though I think they may address social concerns of that class, but not in their considerable bias in favor of Wall Street and the big corporations.

I'm not surprised that class is a factor in all political movements, though I would have guessed the Tea Party would attract more working class people than they apparently do.




posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out how taxing the people that he is supposed to be "looking out for" is helping them in anyway?

Also what does wealth have to do with anything? If you want to bring wealth into the equation then I would listen to the people that are wealthy that earned their way to get to their position on how to get wealthy. I wouldn't listen to a president that has never had a private sector job.

The only thing I see is an all out assault on the Tea Party people in an effort to try to make them not seem so mainstream. I also find it funny that these people are more educated too. So is the point they are trying to make is that educated wealthy people are dumb?

I don't get it. What are you trying to do besides posting broad generalizations that you "assume" to be true?

Also this excerpt form the article:


The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.


That is based off of this poll, that was conducted by two news organizations who's ratings/sales are in the crapper. But if you want to look past that, that statistic only holds true with this poll that was conducted. Seeing how:


The nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5 through April 12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for all adults and for Tea Party supporters.


The Tea Party supporters were oversampled then weighted, sounds like more propaganda to me. The Tea Party movement is going mainstream and they are trying to do everything they can to discredit them.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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From what I can see in the media the Tea Partiers look like a lot of semi-wealthy retirees, disabled people and a few young libertarians so this information seems largely correct, OP.

There are plenty of Obama haters and racists too but the most vulnerable of our society - the elderly and the disabled are being torn assunder and played by fears from both the right and left and in many ways I don't blame them for freakiing out...I just hope reason prevails and people have the patience to see what our democratic process fulfills before declaring all of the current administration's ideas harmful to them and their long term wishes and goals.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Light of Night
So is the point they are trying to make is that educated wealthy people are dumb?


There's nothing in the poll that suggests that Tea Partiers are "dumb." On the contrary, many appear to be quite intelligent.


I don't get it. What are you trying to do besides posting broad generalizations that you "assume" to be true?


All polls by necessity ask and report broadly general statements. Pick any poll that you personally prefer, and that one will also generalize in its questions and conclusions.

I posted this poll because I am personally surprised by the level of income and education of the average Tea Party activist. As I said in the OP, I would have guessed it would be more heavily working and middle class in its makeup.

It adds a dimension that I wasn't previously aware of.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 11:22 PM
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yes, it is very interesting. I think a lot of Tea Partiers intersect in interests and concerns with a lot of liberals where it comes to the fact that 54% of our federal taxes are being spent on the military, primarily our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan...and when is this nonsense of policing the entire world going to end?



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 11:40 PM
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A lot of Our local Tea Party group has a lot of liberal views. Relaxing drug laws. Pro-environment. Pro-amnesty in some form, as long as it comes with securing the border. Bringing the troops home as soon as possible, etc.

The Conservative views come in the form of returning to smaller government and strict adherence to the Constitution. Restoring the Republic, and stop manipulating financial markets with regulation/de-regulation, bailouts, and sweetheart deals.

I have to agree that a lot of the Tea Partiers are well-educated and 35 yrs and older. I don't have an explanation for that, but it does seem accurate.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
A lot of Our local Tea Party group has a lot of liberal views. Relaxing drug laws. Pro-environment. Pro-amnesty in some form, as long as it comes with securing the border. Bringing the troops home as soon as possible, etc.

The Conservative views come in the form of returning to smaller government and strict adherence to the Constitution. Restoring the Republic, and stop manipulating financial markets with regulation/de-regulation, bailouts, and sweetheart deals.


The push is for the Tea Party to oust those types of liberal views, and oust the RINOs (republicans in name only). The social issues are going to be the hammer that either crushes the tea party, or crushes the GOP...will see which way it goes...but for now, the GOP is trying full on to get rid of those pesky liberals and the tea party founders so they can simply convert the rest into a standard right wing group.

Hell, the majority of tea party people now view George Bush Jr. as a great president...not seeming to understand that it was his presidency that gave root to the Tea Party to begin with.

And most dont like Ron Paul (The founder).



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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What you say is not correct for our local Tea Party, and it is a pretty large and active one. However, I fear it may be correct for a lot of the country.

In my experience with the Tea Party, we actually have a lot of liberals, and as a whole we are pretty "center-right." One key area is very Conservative. About 90% are Pro-Life. We also have a lot of people from third parties like Libertarians, and we have a bunch of Republicans, but we still have a good measure of Democrats, and most classify themselves as "independent." I think "Independents" are going to be the next target of the MSM. That term has also become synonomous with Conservative, and Conservative has become synonomous with Republican.

I think the Press is trying to portray the group as "right wing" when in fact they are are less right wing than ruling Republicans right now.

This morning on "Morning Joe" I was surprised to hear them defending the Tea Parties and calling out the Republicans for trying to capitalize off an honest movement. That was encouraging, but then they went into the "Ross Perot" effect, and they said that they think the whole Tea Party campaign will serve to split Republicans and allow Democrats to retain power in November?! That is a plausible scenario if the Dems play it right, and if that happens, I fear things will become violent after the political avenue fails.

I have to admit, I want to think Bush was a decent president, but a couple of things make it very hard. The Patriot Acts, 9/11, and I think he lied about the real reason for Iraq. I think he went into Iraq for Oil and Revenge, and I would have been OK with that had he been upfront about it, but I don't like the lies. I don't think he was behind 9/11, but I think he quickly became aware of the overall plan and went along with it and helped cover it up.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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I heard about this poll on the news this morning and all I could do was laugh. Ever since the tea party movement started last year the media has tried to make everyone who agrees with the movement or who attended a tea party out to be an ignorant, racist hick who doesn't know his rear end from a hole in the ground. Lo and behold, the majority are college educated. They've tried to make it seem like they all have outrageous political leanings. Lo and behold, they have the same thoughts the general public does. Could it be possible that people in the tea party movement are just regular people who are finally ticked off enough to say something about it?

Not that I expect this to change the way people talk about the tea party movement or the people in it. Not on the news or in threads here. Much easier to demonize them all if you ignore that they aren't all as stupid as you think they are.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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From what I've seen, to use the "Tea Party" movement and the word intelligence in the same sentence is a oxymoron.

Anyone with intelligence would not associate themselves with such a fringe movement. Most of the time you can't even be sure of just what it is that they are protesting but the most difficult part is trying to figure out just what it is that they are for.

The most predominant message I get from their demonstrations is that they are mad as hell that they lost the last presidential election. They are not even smart enough to recognize the fact that they are being used as pawns by the powers that be in order to further the corporate agenda.

I can't even name one leader of the movement that I consider to be intelligent. Anyone that would pay good money to hear Sarah Palin read stupid slogans out of the palm of her hand must have a pretty mindless existence. Or how about Michelle Bachman, she a real brainy one. I'll bet that she is waiting to be accepted into MENSA any minute now.

By and large, it appears that the main focus of this movement is to use fear as a tool to incite violence, bigotry and civil unrest. It's apparent that these people don't even know how to conduct themselves in public. When I see them show up to town hall meeting and make an ass of themselves it reminds me of the lady in the red shirt at the John McCain rally who thought that Obama was an Arab until McCain corrected her.

Don't get me wrong, I know that there must be some intelligent people in this movement but they must be either sleepwalking or maybe they just drank the cool aid which converts them into thinking that the facts should be replaced with hollow slogans. They rant and rave about Obama's agenda being too focused on the poor while one glance at their demographic, almost completely devoid of minorities, reflect that their own agenda is very narrowly focused on the rich and upper middle class.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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I bet you have never been to a Tea Party rally? You have never talked in person to someone that associates with a Tea Party?

All of your information sounds like it is straight from the TV set.

I am one of the original 4 people that started our local Tea Party in Tallahassee. I voted FOR Obama! I don't like Palin, or Beck, and I watch Fox News with the same despise that I have for MSNBC and CNN.

You can't name one leader, because there is not one leader amongst us. I was one of the original founding members of our local movement, but I am not a leader. I am not one of the most active members. There is no application process, or membership committee, or fee, or particular viewpoint that you must have.

We have a lot of Black members. We have a lot of Democrats. Actually, we have a LOT of Democrats!

The Tea Party movement is "generally" (what a dangerous word that is), motivated by a desire to get Representation from our elected officials. The driving factor in our original movement here in my town was that Rep. Allen Boyd ignored requests that were 8 to 1 AGAINST the Bailout, and he voted for it anyway. That is when a handful of us decided we had to something to help vote him out of office. He is so powerful that he often runs unapposed! We "generally" lean to the Conservative side when it comes to smaller government, less laws, less restrictions, lower taxes, etc. We are not against social programs. Many of us actually work for the state in those very programs! We are split evenly about drilling in the Gulf. Some are for it, and some are against it. We are almost all FOR environmental restrictions and protections. We are almost all FOR some type of amnesty for illegal aliens that have developed roots here and worked and contributed to their communities, but 99% of us are also FOR securing the border at all costs!

Don't take this personally, but before you post your regurgitated opinion about the Tea Parties that you were spoon-fed from the MSM, and I know it comes from both sides, and believe me, both sides are equally mistaken! Before you regurgitate that info, take an afternoon and go to a rally! Today is the perfect day! I guarantee there is a group somewhere in your town right now! If you go there, you will find 1. No security or police, it is unnecessary. 2. Active members from your community. 3. Children and families enjoying a pretty spring afternoon. 4. US Flags, and Gadsden Flags. 5. Politicians from both parties clamoring for support. And you will find an eye-opening experience!



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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I don't think that anyone was really for the "bailout" but if you think that unemployment is bad now, what do you think it would be like without the infusion of money that kept us from total and absolute economic collapse?

The important thing is to make sure that it doesn't happen again and it appears that the republican party, or the party of no, is going to oppose finance reform as well. Where does the Tea Party stand on this issue? As far as I can tell, they don't have a uniform stance with regards to any issue.

Where was your group of concerned citizens when George W. Bush was trampling all over our constitution for eight years?

Where was your group when the republican party repealed the banking regulations that allowed the collapse in the first place?

Where was your group when Bush passed two tax cuts for the rich while our nation was at war?

Where was your group when Bush signed the Big Pharmaceutical bill that was totally unpaid for?

Like I said, IMO it seems that the main thing that the Tea Party is upset about is the fact that they lost the last election.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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Tell me, how much of your opinion came from watching the news and how much came from your own research? Have you gone to a rally or meeting to ask questions? Did you watch any of the live feeds from the tea parties last year, not news clips a live feed without commentary interfering with what the actual attendees were saying? Or do you get all your 'facts' on the movement from the cherry picked clips they show on MSNBC, CNN and the like?

As getreadyalready said, you can't name a leader because there isn't one leader for the whole of the tea party movement. There are some who'd like to be called the leader, but the reality is that there isn't one.

You do realize that this site with all the conspiracies it contains is very much a fringe website, yes? So does your being here and associating with it make you less intelligent?



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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No, I have not attended a Tea Party Meeting and I have no intention of doing so. I want in no way to be associated with such a nondirectional group of disorderly people.

The first thing any movement needs to do is to choose a consistent message as well as a leader or spokesperson, and it's apparent that they can't even do that. It's my belief that this is due to the fact that no one of stature wants to be associated with them either.

It's not enough just to gather at political events and shout things like "Socialism" or "Communism" unless of course your platform is Fear itself.

Like I said before, where were all these concerned citizens hiding while Bush was wrecking our constitution, our economy and our reputation?



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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That opinion is laughable?

You won't visit them because you don't know what they stand for?
How are you going to find out what they stand for if you don't visit them?

I agree, more action was needed during Bush years, but the public can take a lot of abuse. The Tea Party movement has really been necessary for probably 40 years, but it has taken this long for things to get bad enough for the common folks to be willing to get involved. In case you missed it, I voted FOR Obama, and I helped create our Tea Party. I am also for Healthcare Reform, but I don't think they should have rammed through a 1500 page bill before thoroughly reviewing or even reading it?

The beauty of the group is that it doesn't have a leader. It is a grassroots movement with the clear agenda of firing the current government in its entirety! We want everyone out! We want non-politicians in office. We don't want any incumbents.

Now, as for celebreties distancing themselves? Haven't you witnessed the GOP desperately trying to latch onto it? Haven't you noticed the MSM trying to demonize it? I already know (because you haven't visited a rally) that you don't realize that politicians are contacting us in droves! Begging for our support! Back in August and September of 2009, we were seeking out people to run for certain seats. Now, I personally get calls everyday from politicians wanting to meet me and talk with me and asking what they can do to win our support! Asking if they can speak at a meeting! Asking if they can get a list of our members (which doesn't exist)!

So, your thinking is extremely flawed. You are wrong about our goal. You are wrong about our supporters. You are wrong about people trying to associate with us. And worst of all, you are unwilling to step outside your TV and learn the facts?



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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So what you're telling me, is that you don't really no anything about the tea parties aside from what you see on the news, yet you've already judged them as disorganized, disorderly, unintelligent, racist, Republicans, non-directional, fear-mongering, violent, bigots, kool-aid drinkers, sleepwalkers, and slogan spouters. You know nothing about it, but you judged all of that based on nothing more than what the liberal media wants you to see and ironically enough spouted the same lines the media does when referencing the tea party movement. Oh sweet, sweet irony.


Now I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this, but you really need to educate yourself. You have all these opinions about what the tea parties are and what they stand for, but you're basing them on nothing. Absolutely nothing. You have no reference point for your opinion but you spout it as fact. I don't understand how you can even form an opinion about something when you don't know anything about it.

This is part of what's wrong with this country. People don't take the time to educate themselves about anything before deciding whether they like it, dislike it, agree with it, or disagree with it. Just because your favorite TV personality is spouting off about something doesn't make them right or make their opinions fact. If you were to step outside that box you've put yourself in for 10 minutes you might learn something, you might even learn that all those TV personalities opinions that you've absorbed as your own are based on nothing but hot air and spin.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Sestias

I posted this poll because I am personally surprised by the level of income and education of the average Tea Party activist. As I said in the OP, I would have guessed it would be more heavily working and middle class in its makeup.

It adds a dimension that I wasn't previously aware of.


I'm a bit surprised, myself, but in thinking about it now it makes more sense.

Those who sympathize with the TPM would be those who tend to agree that Obama is taking the nation the wrong way. They don't want higher taxes and further redistribution of wealth than what we already have.

The poor, of course, want those handouts, and Obama is aiming to give it to them - so of course they think he's doing the right thing.

Problem is, you can only push the middle class so far before it collapses and you end up with a two-tier wealth economy, the "have's" and "have not's". That's when this nation becomes a third world country.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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It doesn't matter to me what the socioeconomic background of the TPM consists of.

Initially I was excited and attended a rally and Townhall meeting here in my town and hopeful at the prospect of a legitimate, viable 3rd party to which I could belong. What I found was quite the contrary. A largely disgruntled group of overweight, angry gun toting, rude bigots. Many exceeded their tattoo to tooth ratio and seemed to find solace in the concept that misery loves company.

I quickly realized that these beer-breathed banterers were not my cup of tea.



When all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.

No thanks.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 09:38 PM
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The people carrying those signs DO NOT represent the true TPM. They represent the far-right fringe. The GOP can't seem to get rid of them.

Moderate conservatives are no more those people than moderate Democrats are sympathizers of the Westboro Baptist Church (whom, it was recently found out, that Rev. Phelps ran for office as a Democrat).



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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Is that right? Then why did they choose Sarah Palin as their spokesmodel. You know, fancy pageant walking half-term Governorness. Time to reload? But not retreat, just "advance in another direction" as she so eloquently opined when she bailed on her constituents.


Poll: Tea Party Supporters View Palin, Beck and Bush Favorably



[edit on 15-4-2010 by kinda kurious]



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