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The False Teachings of Arnold Murray

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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Has anyone else seen this guy on T.V. teaching all of this false stuff from the "manuscripts"? This guy takes so much stuff out of context and makes up other stuff to fit his theory.

The Fly Away Doctrine
He claims that Ezekiel 13:18 says "I'm against those that teach my children to fly to safety". If you read it, it has nothing to do with the Rapture, but it is talking about magical bands that pagan cultures believed could trap souls.

The Serpent Seed
He teaches that Cain was the son of the Devil, but that would require Eve to have sex with the Devil in the Garden, when Genesis 4:1 is clear that she was outside of the garden when she got pregnant and had Cain.

The Kenites
He teaches that the Kenites are really Jews and Africans that are descendants of Cain, but that isn't possible since Cain's line was wiped out in the flood. The Kenites can also be traced back to Hobab, one of Moses' father in laws.

Adamic Souls
By far the most made up of his theories because it is not in the Bible at all. He claims the "manuscripts" say that 8 Adamic souls went on the ark, however you can only get the information from his church because no one else has it. LOL. The Bible is clear that the 8 people were Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, and their wives.

This guy is a heretic. Has anyone else heard this garbage he puts out every morning?




posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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I don't know but you're observation and interpretation of clear Modern Hebrew leaves no doubt in my mind.

He always says if you don't like him turn him off. Brand him a heretic if you like.

Personally, I think it's those like 700 Club and Tamy Faye and her dispicable XHubby that ruins Christian image for non believers.

I learned about wicca and have know self proclaimed Wizards & Witches (not warlocks as MSM would call them) and one in particular didn't get answers from the church they went to as kids.

If you go to non leaders and pure dummies in the church for answers and get none you can't blame someone for looking for answers elsewhere.

So be it.

Some people don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. If you miss it, it's no big deal. It's written. Nothing to argue. Nothing to jam down others throats.

With a nick like 'Minister' you should be well aware of that.

Toodles

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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The Fly Away Doctrine
He claims that Ezekiel 13:18 says "I'm against those that teach my children to fly to safety". If you read it, it has nothing to do with the Rapture, but it is talking about magical bands that pagan cultures believed could trap souls.

The Serpent Seed
He teaches that Cain was the son of the Devil, but that would require Eve to have sex with the Devil in the Garden, when Genesis 4:1 is clear that she was outside of the garden when she got pregnant and had Cain.


The Kenites
He teaches that the Kenites are really Jews and Africans that are descendants of Cain, but that isn't possible since Cain's line was wiped out in the flood. The Kenites can also be traced back to Hobab, one of Moses' father in laws.


Where does it say Cain and his descendents were wiped out from the Flood? I've never seen it in the Old Testament.



Adamic Souls
By far the most made up of his theories because it is not in the Bible at all. He claims the "manuscripts" say that 8 Adamic souls went on the ark, however you can only get the information from his church because no one else has it. LOL. The Bible is clear that the 8 people were Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, and their wives.


What is an "Adamic" soul? It mentions people who went in the Ark but maybe others went in too who weren't important enough to mention. who knows?



This guy is a heretic. Has anyone else heard this garbage he puts out every morning?


That's harsh. Sounds like he is making up stuff though, to go along with his theories. What is he a heretic of? Will the Inquisition arrive at the studio where he preaches and commit him to an auto-de-fe?

What religion is he espousing?

Why do so may Christian's spend so much time interpreting the Old Testament which is the Jewish Books anyway, I think they should concentrate on the words of Jesus. He
had a new and different religious outlook; in fact, the New Testament almost doesn't fit in the Bible, it is so modern. What do you think?



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by LaMadameDuval
Where does it say Cain and his descendents were wiped out from the Flood? I've never seen it in the Old Testament.


The Bible is clear on several occasions that ONLY Noah, his three sons and the four wives survived (Genesis 7:22). Hebrews 11:7 says he only saved his household. There are a few more I can give you if you want them.



What is an "Adamic" soul? It mentions people who went in the Ark but maybe others went in too who weren't important enough to mention. who knows?


An "Adamic" soul is something Arnold Murry made up to explain the races. Again, the Bible is clear that only 8 people were saved in the ark and rest died in the flood.



That's harsh. Sounds like he is making up stuff though, to go along with his theories. What is he a heretic of? Will the Inquisition arrive at the studio where he preaches and commit him to an auto-de-fe?


Those aren't the only thing he teaches. He's clearly anti semetic and makes lots of subtle anti Jewish comments and insults on his show. One thing he said was "if you ever want to make a Kenite angry, mess with his money".



What religion is he espousing?


He claims to be a Christian.



Why do so may Christian's spend so much time interpreting the Old Testament which is the Jewish Books anyway, I think they should concentrate on the words of Jesus.


Jesus quoted mostly from the OT so if He didn't want us to study it, why would He bother quoting it? Not only that, He uses Noah's time as a blueprint for the type of things that would be going on during the last days on earth. So how can we know about that if we don't study the OT?



He had a new and different religious outlook; in fact, the New Testament almost doesn't fit in the Bible, it is so modern. What do you think?


Actually Jesus said that He didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Jesus ideas weren't different. He just summed up the law in two commands.

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Love God with all your heart, mind, body, and strength.

If you do the first, you don't have to worry about keeping the commandment not to kill, bear false witness, steal, etc.

If you do the 2nd, all the rest will fall in place. Nothing different about that.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Firstly, the whole "Rapture" thing is itself a false teaching and a part of the great delusion that the bible speaks of.

Lahayan Theology

So, it doesn't matter if he teaches the "right" thing about the "Rapture" because the "Rapture" itself is not even biblical.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Firstly, the whole "Rapture" thing is itself a false teaching and a part of the great delusion that the bible speaks of.

Lahayan Theology

So, it doesn't matter if he teaches the "right" thing about the "Rapture" because the "Rapture" itself is not even biblical.


LOL. What does Tim Lahaye have to do with the Rapture? The Bible makes plenty of references of escaping the coming judgement and us not being appointed to wrath. Look at Noah's time.

What happened to Enoch before the flood?
God removed Noah and his family from the earth into the safety of the boat before the flood.
When the three Hebrew boys got cast into the fire where was Daniel?
When Daniel was cast into the lion's den, where were the Hebrew boys?
Where was Lot when Sodom was destroyed?
Where was Esther when Haman wanted to kill the Jews? She was with the king.

I can continue. The Hebrew scholars don't just see prophecy as prediction and fulfillment but also as pattern. The pattern itself shows that there is always someone or group of people removed from whatever is going on at the time.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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Keep hoping for a "Rapture." It is an escapist mentality at its worst and it is never promised to anyone.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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i refer you to the gospel of saint peter if you have doubts about the rapture.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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You can refer to whatever you like.
I guarantee you that I can explain what it is saying in a more EARTHLY explanation.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Have you all seen the video clip that shows Arnold sitting at his desk and then yelling to someone off camera and then allegedly going for a gun in his briefcase? It's been awhile since I saw it, but I think that you can find it in either youtube or google video.
I watch this man every morning before I go to work (there is nothing else on) and he is always coming up with some outrageous things to say. He always claims that he never judges anyone, but it sure sounds like he does an awful lot of it to me.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Keep hoping for a "Rapture." It is an escapist mentality at its worst and it is never promised to anyone.


OK, lets clear this up and feel fee to tell me if I'm taking it out of context.

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast." - Isaiah 26:20

"For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock." - Psalm 27:5

"The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble." - Psalm 9:9

"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble." - Psalm 46:1

The rest of Psalms continues to talk about God being a refuge in the time of trouble. This seems to be an attribute of God and not just in the time of personal crisis. The purpose of a refuge is escape. Why would God aid us in the time of personal trouble but leave us here on earth during the worst moment in history?

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." - Luke 21:36

Why did Jesus say to pray that we'd be county worthy to escape these things that will come to pass if its not possible to escape them? Let me guess, Jesus fell victim to the Lahayan Theology? LOL

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." - Revelation 3:10

You can try to interpret the above verse however you want, but notice that its saying this even will come upon all those that dwell (live) on the earth. The believers are never called earth dwellers, but "strangers" and "pilgrims", on earth. Meaning this must not be our true home. (Hebrews 11:13, 1 Peter 2:11)

Why make the distinction between the two groups if we just ignore certain wording.

"Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience." - Ephesians 5:5 and Colosians 2:6

"For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" - Revelation 6:17

The above happens at the opening of the 6th seal. I threw in the Ephesians and Colosians verse to show how specific the text is. Unless you consider the saved to be part of the children of disobedience?

"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ..." - 1 Thess 5:9

Interesting it says that wrath are poured out on the children of disobedience but in another place it says that God didn't appoint us to wrath. The fact that the same guy (Paul) wrote them shows that he was talking about something far larger than the current circumstances.

There are tons more passages that talk about escape so why would the Bible give specific verses about escape and show escape in the pattern of the stories if at in the biggest time of trouble in human history there is no actual escape?

You can quote whoever you want, but the doctrine of the snatching away of the select is all over the pages of the Bible.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by peewee1263
Have you all seen the video clip that shows Arnold sitting at his desk and then yelling to someone off camera and then allegedly going for a gun in his briefcase? It's been awhile since I saw it, but I think that you can find it in either youtube or google video.
I watch this man every morning before I go to work (there is nothing else on) and he is always coming up with some outrageous things to say. He always claims that he never judges anyone, but it sure sounds like he does an awful lot of it to me.


Exactly. He says that everyone else is teaching something false but he has the truth and only his church can interpret the Bible so you need to buy his books. LOL. That very statement is completely against what the Bible says.

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." - 2 Peter 1:20

I guess that kind of kills his belief that only he can rightly interpret scripture.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 05:41 AM
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OMG!!!!!

How do I splain it...(?)

Pastor Murray teaches people how to study the Bible to get the most out of it.

People that are seriously interested will buy books etc from him because some are simply out of print but he still sees to it that they are available.

You can get a Strongs Concordance pretty much anywhere.

If you get a Companion Bible, as I did, you'll have ready made footnotes and contextual definitions and crossreferences etc... It is NOT a Bible for the faint-hearted


Only he sells them for $100 last I heard. I've had mine for nearly 15 years I think. It's NOT a NIV smooth read for the casual Christian.

Pastor Murray teaches people how to study...

You don't need to believe everything his commentary (which he keeps to a minimum unless he's making a serious point) has to say. As with any teacher, you need to vet their teaching on your own time.

He is the only fuggin Pastor that teaches.

Their are some that come close to attempting to teach. BUT, Most people in the mainstream don't really care anyways.

Mainstream need stroking to give up their cash (tithe?) sooooo... If you don't like him, turn him off. I've never seen him beg.

Check any other preacher that's via media ; satellite, cable or any broadcast, they beg and it's embarrassing to experience. I'd more like to give money to a bum sleeping in a doorway in downtown San Francisco with being asked before I'd give money to worthless shister.

Pastor Murray is the real deal... Remember, that he isn't GOD; then all will be well. I wish (pray) that people would be more patient and stop looking for Christ in real men. They are just men.

The OP was about Pastor Murray being a heretic, right?

Maybe, better title would be "Pastor Murray's commentary between Solid, Verifiable, Biblical teaching really yanks me off."

No he doesn't teach blacks are sub-human or anything other than the good people they are...

BTW You will know God in person when you see him.

And you'll sense the Anti-Christ.

God is awesome. Gave us the ability to have faith.

Challenge God properly and God will visit you too. How that happens don't ask me ... you're on your own.

Edit to add : And you'll get to keep what you get.

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posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
OMG!!!!!

How do I splain it...(?)

Pastor Murray teaches people how to study the Bible to get the most out of it.


Yes, he teaches a racist, distorted, and mostly wrong view of the Bible. Every once in a while I catch some truth and some useful information but its rare. He purposely or accidentally takes things out of context when anyone with a brain could read the chapters and see that. Again I go to his example of Ezekiel 13:18 being about the rapture when it isn't.



People that are seriously interested will buy books etc from him because some are simply out of print but he still sees to it that they are available.


If they are out of print how does he get them? Hmmm... People that want a serious study on the truth should avoid this guy at all costs.



You can get a Strongs Concordance pretty much anywhere.


Funny you say that because there are plenty of times he has referred to the "manuscripts" then when people ask why they can't find it in Strong's, he says that's because only he knows the correct interpretation. LMAO.



If you get a Companion Bible, as I did, you'll have ready made footnotes and contextual definitions and crossreferences etc... It is NOT a Bible for the faint-hearted



Most study Bibles have that now. What's your point?



You don't need to believe everything his commentary (which he keeps to a minimum unless he's making a serious point) has to say. As with any teacher, you need to vet their teaching on your own time.


I've studied his false teachings. Cain wasn't the seed of Satan. There weren't 8 Adamic souls as he calls them. The Kenites don't come from Cain, they come from the line of Hobab, one of Moses' father in laws. He just makes stuff up.



He is the only fuggin Pastor that teaches.

Their are some that come close to attempting to teach. BUT, Most people in the mainstream don't really care anyways.


No, there are plenty of false teachers like him in the world. Trust me he's not the only one.



Mainstream need stroking to give up their cash (tithe?) sooooo... If you don't like him, turn him off. I've never seen him beg.

Check any other preacher that's via media ; satellite, cable or any broadcast, they beg and it's embarrassing to experience. I'd more like to give money to a bum sleeping in a doorway in downtown San Francisco with being asked before I'd give money to worthless shister.


I agree. I don't like those name it and claim it guys either, but they are still closer to teaching the truth than he is. They just pick one section of the Bible and only preach that. Murray on the other hand takes the whole text and changes it to fit his racist view.

We know he's a racist because he's associated with racist organizations and he was licensed and ordained by white supremacists. Google him and see for yourself.



Pastor Murray is the real deal... Remember, that he isn't GOD; then all will be well. I wish (pray) that people would be more patient and stop looking for Christ in real men. They are just men.


There is a difference in looking for Christ and pointing out a false teacher and he is a false teacher.



No he doesn't teach blacks are sub-human or anything other than the good people they are...


LOL. You might want to explore his racist Kenite docrtrine and his curse on Ham theories. Ham wasn't even cursed, it was his son Canaan. There's something else false he teaches.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by MinisterFortson

OK, lets clear this up and feel fee to tell me if I'm taking it out of context.

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast." - Isaiah 26:20




The very first verse that you quote pretty much explains it.
HIDE THYSELF..... There is no promise of some big supernatural "wisping" away mentioned..... HIDE THYSELF.

Those who are deserving to survive what is to come will survive, but they will still have their footsies right here on planet earthy.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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My dear Mr Minister

While I applaud the aspect that you are entitled to express and air your views and opinions within the realm of ATS, I am going to ask you in the most respectful manner to quit spewing
racist comments about individuals here.

The only thing racist occuring within these topics is coming from your mouth, and I trust you will not continue to discredit people utilizing this as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farakan have all their lives.

You have expressed various concerns in respects to various subject you apparently have little or no comprehension about.

Well GOD give you wisdom, and let's address these Biblically, utilizing Biblical Teachings instead of hatemongering in the gutter as you have done thus far.

Where to begin?

Well, you seem to have some problem with Arnold Murray and his teachings about the Blacks.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


This is where, Arnold Murray indicates the Beautiful Nubian Peoples Originate. This is also inclusive of most of the Hunter and Gather Peoples on this planet, incorperating many of the Asain Peoples as well.

Now this may surprise you, but these verses express the Way of Life these peoples where to follow, and an Historical review of the lifes of these peoples exhibit the Way of Life GOD indicated they should live. For desired effect, I'll note it again,

"1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them,Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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I would also like to reinforce another teaching Arnold Murray was oftern keen on indicating.

Referencing Verse 31, " And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Now if it is very good in the Eyes of GOD, just who has any right to claim otherwise.

What else was there? Oh Yeah.....


The Serpent Seed
He teaches that Cain was the son of the Devil, but that would require Eve to have sex with the Devil in the Garden, when Genesis 4:1 is clear that she was outside of the garden when she got pregnant and had Cain.


Well, you think Arnold Murray has it wrong, your going to love this.


Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


Now the above was once cut, to afford space, and in no means is it to suggest an "Out of Context" experience. All can feel free to review all of the material utilizing the TOOL's the Lord GOD, and Dr Strong's gave us.

Mr Minister. What is Eve's reply to GOD's Question?

"The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. ."

A short reply with two action words included. One, being Nasha (beguiled) and the other Akal (eat)


5377 nasha' naw-shaw' a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:--beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.

398 'akal aw-kal' a primitive root; to eat (literally or figuratively):--X at all, burn up, consume, devour(-er, up), dine, eat(-er, up), feed (with), food, X freely, X in...wise(-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, X quite.


This could be enough, but keeping the Text in context, we step one verse further, in Context and see GOD's Response and who is it to? Adam? Eve? Who is GOD addressing, in Context?

"3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. "

Why, Yes, God speaks to and curses the Serpent. Please note the Enmity GOD places between the Woman's seed and the Serpent's Seed.

Now, in context Mr Minister, just what the hell is being discussed. The Spawn of Satan will be at odds against the Spawn of the Woman.

So in Context, we have Seed being sown, we have Utter Seduction occuring and a willing consumer in Eve.

All long before, In Context, Adam "KNEW" his wife, Biblically Speaking of course.

We'll pickup on some of the other failings you have in understanding the Living Word of GOD that was devinely inspired upon man as a Letter from our Father of us all.

Until then

Ciao

Shane

It's not an Exhaustive Concordance by Strong's, but it is the best the Internet offers todate. See the Strong's Lexicon Search site.

And as for our Letter from our Father. Here's the One Strong's was constructed for. 1611 King James Bible



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Now, in context Mr Minister, just what the hell is being discussed.


Sorry to butt in and pre-empt the minister, but...

3:14 Serpent, you are going to spend the rest of eternity crawling around on your belly because I'm turning you into a snake.

3:15 As a snake, you are going to be feared and loathed by humankind and they are going to go out of their way to make your existence miserable.

3:16 And you, Woman: you could have had a nice life with nothing to worry about except which berry bush to have for dinner. But now you are going to have bleed every moon, childbirth will be painful, difficult and sometimes deadly. In your misery, you had better be glad Adam is around to give you what little comfort you can get out of life.

Can't see anything that says anything about Eve doing anything other than taking a bite out of that pear and being punished with menstruation and childbirth for it.

Nowhere is there any hint what-so-ever that Eve and the Serpent had 'relations'. How would that work exactly? Is the snake a metaphor for the penis? That's a bit of a childish metaphor to draw an entire theology out of don't you think?

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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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And isn't that just the prefect example of the devolution of scripture being stripped of context. Welcome to the New World Order, and the basis for that One World Religion.


And it's okay. You, like all within ATS are afforded the opportunity to express their views on matters and share Opinions as you see fit.

As long as they play fair and have manner's.

Something the Minister seemingly lacks.


Ciao

Shane



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:05 AM
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And isn't that just the prefect example of the devolution of scripture being stripped of context. Welcome to the New World Order, and the basis for that One World Religion.


Your understanding of the Biblical scripture seems to start from a position stripped of all context what-so-ever. As does that of most people, me included. Because the origins of the mythology is ancient beyond written language and the context for its origination no longer exists. Only the timeless nature of the human condition and the few glimpses we get of the few ancient societies still operating in something approximating that context gives us any insight into that original context.

I recognize the story of the fall as a deeply important myth describing the awakening of human consciousness. Distorting its meaning into a sordid tale of adultery robs it of its power, cheapens its message, and insults the spiritual truthfulness of the Bible itself.



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