reply to post by highlyoriginal
I believe what messes up people is killing kids, seeing your buddies die in your arms, being tortured, ect... that kind of stuff...
Killing the enemy is like killing to defend yourself... you just don't think about it, you just do it...
White Death: the Sniper Who Killed 700 Soviets in 100 Days, page 2
reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 07:52 AM by TheLaughingGod
Originally posted by alienesque
amazing story...but..excuse my ignorance....i didnt even know russia invaded finland..were the russians not on 'our' side?
Finland first fought against the russians themselves, later they teamed up with the nazis, when the nazi relationship turned sour they left and turned to scorched earth tactics.
en.wikipedia.org...
I'm dismayed by my countries unwillingness to go to war against Russia, though we did send material and volunteers at least(we had some 130-300 nazi volunteers too even though it was prohibited, mostly Waffen SS).
If the great bear should ever attack Finland again trust me I'll be heading there fighting for them like they fought for themselves and all of Scandinavia, thanks to them we're still here.
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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 08:43 AM by Xemplar
reply to post by alienesque
No the russians actually had an agreement with the germans. The russians invaded the allies, poland big time. And then cried because the US decided to help the brits and the west and not them first.
reply to post by spacebot
Yeah Germany and the USSR sliced up the eastern part of Europe in adherence to the non aggression pact.
[edit on 15-4-2010 by Xemplar]
No the russians actually had an agreement with the germans. The russians invaded the allies, poland big time. And then cried because the US decided to help the brits and the west and not them first.
reply to post by spacebot
Yeah Germany and the USSR sliced up the eastern part of Europe in adherence to the non aggression pact.
[edit on 15-4-2010 by Xemplar]
reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 09:36 AM by Tifozi
reply to post by Vitchilo
What messes you up is actually killing someone.
It doesn't matter if it's a young kid, an adult, a old man... A human is a human, and sniper have very deep emotional problems about the killings.
Most are able to shut that off, and they trace people in training to see if you can handle it, but since snipers use stealth, you usually attack people when they are not even expecting to be attacked, so you are killing people while they are on their daily routine, or in their guarding post just smoking a cigarette.
It's that part that gets you. While being a sniper, you are not being directly threaten by the person you kill. You don't have that urgency to kill that a normal soldier has during a battle. Believe me, you have a lot of time to be "tickled" by your moral compass.
reply to post by sapien82
People aren't glorifying death and killing. Are you forgetting that this was during WWII? A larger threat was upon everyone, the whole world, and some countries weren't lucky enough to stay out of it.
IMO, I don't think he really killed 700 soldiers.
But, even if he killed around 400 or 500, BY HIMSELF, that sends a huge message to the invading army.
"One of OUR guys killed 500 of YOUR guys. Wait until you face our whole army.".
People in this thread aren't praising for death and killing. This is just a story about bravery and immense talent. On any other given moment, his talent would be judged like he was a monster. But on that circumstances, he was/is a hero.
Snipers don't do relevant work. That's not why snipers exist. The number of kills made by snipers isn't that relevant. It doesn't even affect the enemy very much. And even if snipers take out equipment, that doesn't affect the enemy very much either.
But what it actually does, is something beyond "magic" when in a war.
A single sniper can demoralize a whole army, or even a whole country, and do the opposite for the army from where he comes from.
In a normal war, in a battle there would be like 30,000 casualties on both sides, and one of them would win, possibly the "wrong" one.
While this guy, kills "only" 700 soldiers, and can make the soviets terrified of even putting their heads out to pee, and it could even lead to the decision of stopping the invasion. Battles were stopped by snipers.
So, while 700 is a lot on this man conscience... It's not a very high price to pay for peace as a whole country.
What messes you up is actually killing someone.
It doesn't matter if it's a young kid, an adult, a old man... A human is a human, and sniper have very deep emotional problems about the killings.
Most are able to shut that off, and they trace people in training to see if you can handle it, but since snipers use stealth, you usually attack people when they are not even expecting to be attacked, so you are killing people while they are on their daily routine, or in their guarding post just smoking a cigarette.
It's that part that gets you. While being a sniper, you are not being directly threaten by the person you kill. You don't have that urgency to kill that a normal soldier has during a battle. Believe me, you have a lot of time to be "tickled" by your moral compass.
reply to post by sapien82
People aren't glorifying death and killing. Are you forgetting that this was during WWII? A larger threat was upon everyone, the whole world, and some countries weren't lucky enough to stay out of it.
IMO, I don't think he really killed 700 soldiers.
But, even if he killed around 400 or 500, BY HIMSELF, that sends a huge message to the invading army.
"One of OUR guys killed 500 of YOUR guys. Wait until you face our whole army.".
People in this thread aren't praising for death and killing. This is just a story about bravery and immense talent. On any other given moment, his talent would be judged like he was a monster. But on that circumstances, he was/is a hero.
Snipers don't do relevant work. That's not why snipers exist. The number of kills made by snipers isn't that relevant. It doesn't even affect the enemy very much. And even if snipers take out equipment, that doesn't affect the enemy very much either.
But what it actually does, is something beyond "magic" when in a war.
A single sniper can demoralize a whole army, or even a whole country, and do the opposite for the army from where he comes from.
In a normal war, in a battle there would be like 30,000 casualties on both sides, and one of them would win, possibly the "wrong" one.
While this guy, kills "only" 700 soldiers, and can make the soviets terrified of even putting their heads out to pee, and it could even lead to the decision of stopping the invasion. Battles were stopped by snipers.
So, while 700 is a lot on this man conscience... It's not a very high price to pay for peace as a whole country.
reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 10:08 AM by ScarletNyx
Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by Vitchilo
reply to post by sapien82
All of this is very well said Tifozi!
Many times, especially when we are in peace time or engaged in a faraway wars ( or shams of war as we are now ) we forget that war is both a physical battle and a mental battle. From propaganda films and posters placed in deeply researched and planned places, to painting faces with bright colors to scare your enemy, many factors play into the outcome of a armed confrontation. The fact that this man was killing more of "them" then they could of his side dealt a huge mental blow to their side, the effects of which I am sure we will never know the full reach of.
If one man can do that much damage to an army mass en force, what is the real use of "weapons of mass destruction"? Massive weapons that destroy whatever they touch only show a mass .... slovenliness..? to actual human psyche and the role that our minds play in moving our bodies and lives forward along a certain path. You cannot expect to destroy the body and not destroy the psyche. Look at places where revolutions have happened either despite of or right before bloodshed - It doesn't matter either way if the blood came before or after, the human mind thirsts.
It's always reassuring to know that humans, with thought and precise movements, can exact such a toll.
reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 10:27 AM by thegreatone
yeah he was a bad man. There were others like him too. Hopefully this doesnt violate any T & C's
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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 10:52 AM by Gigantea Rosa
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
I agree with your exact sentiments, but at the same time during the time that this was in one must at least pay some due to what he has done due to the fact that it was a turbulent time. So I'd say we could move forward and believe we [as a nation and even society] have been. Showcasing the achievements that people have been doing, but of course [as shown even in this instance] some people and events can be overlooked.
I agree with your exact sentiments, but at the same time during the time that this was in one must at least pay some due to what he has done due to the fact that it was a turbulent time. So I'd say we could move forward and believe we [as a nation and even society] have been. Showcasing the achievements that people have been doing, but of course [as shown even in this instance] some people and events can be overlooked.
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