Human meat market.

www.interlife.org...

This is unbelievable.



Routinely, the women would go into labour before the final surgery. �They were coming out alive,� says Kelly. Aside from the incident with the twins, she says, there were three to four live births in a typical two-week period. �The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.�



Apart from abortionists and the wholesalers who traffic in aborted baby parts (see story, page 34), who stands to profit from this fetal research? Of the pharmaceutical companies sponsoring it, Mr. Crutcher says: �I don�t think there�s one that�s not involved.� He surmises they are investing in the future. Baby boomers are aging, and about to start falling apart. A practical treatment for Parkinson�s would be lucrative. �Just look at Viagra,� says Mr. Crutcher. (In Canada alone, the little blue impotence pill sold 20,600 prescriptions worth $1.55 million in its first week on the market) �That�s just a hint of the fortunes awaiting drug manufacturers pandering to boomers� quest for youth. They�re the wealthiest generation in the history of the world. And also the most narcissistic. They want to live forever.� And fetuses are the new human scrap heap. Says Mr. Crutcher: �We�re going to kill the very young to treat the very old.� Perhaps, but Mrs. Rini offers hope of a wrinkle in the plan. �Does the fetus� aliveness, which is coveted by researchers, and ability to sponsor life for others, ironically but actually prove the fetus� own life?� she writes. She cites ethicist Paul Ramsey: �Far from abortion settling the question of fetal research, it could be that sober reflection on the use of the human fetus in research could unsettle the abortion issue.�


This is an unbelievable cover-up.




The crazy thing is that with a whole child abortion the clinic is actually paid for disposing of the body. If it is a partial birth of the fetus/baby has been dismembered the clinic has to pay for it's disposal.

Regardless of your stance on the issue, that is just horrible. It reminds me of Elizabeth Bathory, who would bathe in the blood of young girls to replenish her beauty. I guess our human vanity has turned us into a world of vampires.

Grrr sh*t like this makes me want to start chucking molotov cocktials . Whats next.. Turning humans into product arggggggggggg, smash !!!!!!!

Originally posted by ab2tw
Apart from abortionists and the wholesalers who traffic in aborted baby parts (see story, page 34), who stands to profit from this fetal research?

Alzhiemer's sufferers like Ronald Reagen.
Parkinsons sufferers like Michael J. Fox.
Paralysis sufferers like Chistopher Reeve.
Our grandparents.
Our parents.
You.
Me.
Our children.
And every generation of humanity to come.

The article (whether true or not) seems highly propagandic against all forms of abortion with it's intent to twist the efforts of fetal research as being only about vanity.

Not true. Not true at all.

Nancy Reagens Urges Stem Cell Research

Well. I have heard of people waking up out of unconciousness and finding that they had an organ removed and later dieing of infection or renal failure. So I'm not surprised this market has been thriving on the market "legally" with consent from the abortionist. Very sad though.

It's like a paradox of the heap - when does a few pebbles in a pile become a heap of pebbles as you add one at a time...In this case, at what developmental stage and/or age does the foetus become a sentient being?

Routinely, the women would go into labour before the final surgery. �They were coming out alive,� says Kelly. Aside from the incident with the twins, she says, there were three to four live births in a typical two-week period. �The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.�

IMO, this is totally sensationalist and intentionally inflammatory pro life propaganda. Does anyone really think the doctor would beat the infant with tongs when he could quietly cover it's nose and mouth?

Originally posted by AmethystWolf

�The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.�

IMO, this is totally sensationalist and intentionally inflammatory pro life propaganda. Does anyone really think the doctor would beat the infant with tongs when he could quietly cover it's nose and mouth?

Most DEFINATELY pro-life PROPAGANDA...and I doubt every word of this link.......no way....lies...all LIES, I can just 'feel' it.....this is NOT right information....this is the kind of LIE that sends a person into a doctors office with a gun........this is bad joo-joo lies.

I can be sold on the medical applications. But not cosmetic !! I do feel the a women has the right of choise of course. But man this is not as simple as organ doning, there are alot of deep moral questions that should be adressed..

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Opus]

Beat with tongs, cover it's mouth and nose, give a shot, or take a base-ball bat to it, it is still the same thing.

If a woman is choosing to terminate a baby for the purpose of medical research lets call it that.
I mean really should'nt guinia pigs... err.. women be lauded for their sacrifice for the sake of scientific progress???

How can you justify the life of someone dying of a disease at the expense of a brand new life.

You mention Mr. Reagan. is it worth the cost of 500 babies, or even 1 baby to prolong his life another 5 years, or to return his memory to him??

What kind of person are you when you can clamp your hand over a childs face and hold it their until it ceases to struggle???
I say you are an accomplice.

As well as the professor or researcher who orders X # of body parts to discover how they willl react to the latest idea.

My head hurts. Oh heck there are too many people on this planet. What ever new medical developments that will come out of this research, the only ones who will benefit will be the ultra rich .Yeh, then we can really start worshipping holowood stars. My God, the horror of another 40 years of Cher.. Arggggggg say it isn�t soooooo !!

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Opus]

Extremely disturbing, yet the "pro-life propaganda" does unmistakably shine through.

I agree with ab2tw who said it better than I could have.

That has to be one of the most disturbing things i have ever read in my life. Shocking stuff

Originally posted by RANT

Alzhiemer's sufferers like Ronald Reagen.
Parkinsons sufferers like Michael J. Fox.
Paralysis sufferers like Chistopher Reeve.
Our grandparents.
Our parents.
You.
Me.
Our children.
And every generation of humanity to come.

How could you include our children in that category when they are paying the ultimate price.

I don't care who you are, no baby is worth your life.
one day you will die. This is unavoidable and enescapable.

Why in the name of reason should babies be used to further your life another minute, or to make life a little less painful for you?

Even if this is a form of propaganda for pro life, and only just a bit of this is true, how can you have no other response other than disgust?!?! So what if they could just quietly smother them to death rather than club them like baby seals?

It's unbelievable because it's not true.

This is a piece of anti-abortionist propaganda, folks. It has a few snippets of truth wrapped up to make a huge, controversial piece that demonizes anyone who is pro-choice and any woman who wants an abortion or who has had one for any reason.

Although I see that this is propaganda I still know women get abortions and some doctors would do anything for a cool thousand. Sadly sometimes the baby is alive when a woman gets an abortion and the doctor does what he promises it's a shush shush thing. It's really bad a human being could really kill a newborn like that but it happens. I myself am pro-life, but sometimes I see a light on the other side of the discussion. I still see abortion as wrong and I see stem cell research as on the boundary of wrong or right.

Look I have no problem with babies, children or adults who die naturally being used for medical research.

Personally I am against abortion. If you are going to engage in sexual behavior then you should be mature enough to take responsibility for your decision.

Don't bring up the rape victom card because that is a small enough population statisticaly to be totally discounted.

In an ideal world rape would not occur. In a less than ideal the results would be raised by those who cannot have children and want them.


It doesn't matter if you call it sensationalist or blown-out-of-proportion, if you are offering to pay for body parts, and someone is willing to kill living people to provide them, then it is a human meat market.

Call it abotion, call it murder, call a choice, call a decision, call it an altenative. It does not matter what you call it, but a living being is losing their life.

The SHAME is that it is one who is totally helpless and has zero chance of self-defense.


(as an aside, it is amazing to me that there are people who would scream at me for killing a deer and eating it, and turn around and applaud the right of a choice to kill a newborn human being.)

[edit on 9-6-2004 by ab2tw]

Originally posted by mpeake
Even if this is a form of propaganda for pro life, and only just a bit of this is true, how can you have no other response other than disgust?!?!

Disgust in bucketfuls,
reserved for the scum that stoop to this kind of propaganda.

I wonder how many German citizens bought into the propaganda card??

(Oh wait some theories say that it was propaganda!!....)

Are you saying that the activities in the article never occuer, or that you are ok with using "terminated" newborns for medical research?

Originally posted by ab2tw
Are you saying that the activities in the article never occuer, or that you are ok with using "terminated" newborns for medical research?

These things happen every day on this side of the world,
along with a million other much worse tragedies,
none of which you or any collection of you's could even consider.

Basicly put, it comes down to priorities:
You don't ask the firemen who are busy dousing an apartment block fire
to break for a cuppa tea and sign a petition suporting the local bingo parlor.

The main historical issues currently imploding make this paltry issue
a pale stain on the carpets of history compared to what is happening Now.

Trying to sensationalize it removes any credibility from the issue.
I have no time for people whose sole concern is re-arranging deck chairs.