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Mental Disorder?

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:58 PM

Originally posted by OrphenFire
reply to post by network dude

I do not know what is going to be said. For instance:

Person 1: "What are you thinking about?"
Person 2: "Same thing as you, we are the same."
Person 1: "We are not the same. I am completely different from you."
Person 2: "Then why are we a part of the same mind?"
Person 1: "I don't know, but we seem to be seperate."

Everything that "I" say is spontaneous. Not rehearsed, not thought about beforehand. It's a real conversation. The reason I said it was like reciting lines in a play is because it flows so well like a conversation between two different people.

Conversations divulge into various discussions of things that I enjoy talking or thinking about. This leads to various self-discoveries of who I am, as well as new theories for anything from ponderings of the soul, our origins, whatever. Like I said, they are very invigorating conversations. I never learn anything exclusive that I didn't know before.

Oh my goodness me if you aren't my best mate Toffee then you sound almost EXACTLY the same as he did before they put him on drugs... only now he has a battle between drugs and himself/selves..... If this is Toffee then you know I am here for you and have been forever! xx

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:04 PM
I don't have any extra money, and I don't have health insurance, yet. I am trying to get health insurance, mainly for this purpose. I appreciate all of the help, guys. I am going to talk to a therapist and see what he/she says, as soon as I can.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by OrphenFire

Most health insurance does not cover mental health.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:18 PM
Just my 2c please don't be offended (anyone) but onethought and SaturnFX and a few others have great perspective on this - the rest of you folks are nuts!

Internal dialog describes the phenomena fairly well. Good job recognizing the event. No you're not crazy, you're experiencing different aspects of self - maybe due to something disharmonious, could just be a growth experience. As long as you're completely in control of your behavior, and it sounds like you are, but still human thus vulnerable to a hormonal moment. Another aspect is that you're experiencing duality not multiplicity and that seems important. More than two voices at a time might be worrisome, but there's no reason for the same two personalities to always interact. It is natural to talk to yourself using pro-con type constructs, ask anyone who plays chess well.

Sorry I can't attribute the member properly but someone's sig says that one of the little angels drop kicked the other one off their shoulder.


posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:27 PM
to me it now seems like you might be attention seeking or trolling.

post by OrphenFire
Only numbers.

I'm not making a nutty thread and I don't have a history of making random crap up. I only posted this on ATS because it is the only place I feel comfortable discussing this "crazy" subject. I think you will find that I am quite sane and normal. Which is why this strikes me as incredibly odd and frankly, disturbing

So you are sane or "crazy" to the direct ratio that it will better whatever thread you are currently working on?

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:33 PM
i dont think it's sensible getting the advice of people who are not experts in the subject, you should go and see a specialist about it, if it is concerning you.

I had a small nervous break down a few years ago, I had to force myself to go and see a doctor and started a course of anti depressants that helped me through the depression, I can see your circumstances are different, but your not going to put your mind at rest with the answers you find on ATS, a doctor is the only one who can do that for you

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:37 PM

If it were me experiencing these symptoms, I would do the following:

1. complete physical, to include an MRI of the head to r/o any organic cause.
lab work

2.Psychiatric Eval: to determine cause, it could be linked to your depression, but really sounds like a chemical disorder taking place in your brain.

Let the doctors guide your treatment from that point. You will probably find out it is due to your brain chemistry being off and many many people suffer very similar symptoms.

Here is some info and a sight that may be helpful:


Please take care of yourself, it sounds like you are under a great deal of stress.

Let me know if I can help.


[edit on 14-4-2010 by paxnatus]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:50 PM
I also get this. When speaking to my doctor he said my
mind was intelligent and just conversing with itself and I don't need medication. He said it's healthy and not uncommon. He said I don't need any meds and infact the only point he would medicate me is if I stopped being aware I was talking things out with myself because then at some point it means I lost touch with reality. So in conclusion I was told it was healthy and nothing to worry about. Hope that helps

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:54 PM
reply to post by zaiger

I've seen you post things similar to this before and to me it just reeks of ignorance. While a case could be made for ADD and ADHD not actually existing, bipolar and depression are very real and can bring ruin or death to a person. The very fact that drugs work on the people diagnosed with these disorders shows that there is some fundamental neural problem. Furthermore, brain scans show abnormalities in brain structure. So, if these things are non-existent people certainly have some strong imaginations to be able to not only change the chemistry of their brain, but the overall structure.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:59 PM
Borderline presonality disorder is an Axis II diagnosis from the (DSM IV which is the Bible of Psychiatry, it has ALL the possible Psychiatric disorders and their signs and symptoms, any book store has it or can get it). BPD is a software problem, not a hardware problem like say Schizophrenia. It's poor, troubled interpersonal relationships, self harm, possible suicide attempts, difficulty modulating emotions. Multiple personalities=Disassociative personality Disorder....very,very,very rare and the personalities aren't integrated (one doesn't know the other Real severe trauma the mind creates alternates to escape to during the trauma). Neither one of these appear to be affecting you with the information that you have provided. Of course there is a lot of metaphysical sh*t going on now...ascension et cetera. Will yourself out of it. If you can't, talk to a Psychiatrist. If you are prescribed Meds, check out the literature. Ask questions, be active in your treatment. Any questions see your Doctor.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Klaatumagnum]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:59 PM
reply to post by zaiger

Please show us your credentials allowing you to make such judgments.

Obviously you have not researched mental disorders. if you have a link to PROOF that ADD, Bipolar, Depression, etc. are not real, provide it; until you do then you are merely passing your opinion off as fact.

And yes doctors have looked at the brain of bipolar individuals and there is a difference.

Here is a question for you, if schizophrenia is real and bipolar isn't then is schizoaffective disorder real or imagined?

Do you know the difference in the disorders?

Please don't mislead people, Almost all Insurance covers Mental Health disorders!!

When you stoop to name calling, you show your true colors; and from where I sit they are not very pretty. Try contributing constructively to the thread, I'm sure the OP would appreciate it. I know I would.


posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:09 PM
reply to post by OrphenFire

You probably have a state department of Mental Health, or local public mental health center(s)...use them...just call if you wish..get a referrral or more info on how to get help.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:12 PM
reply to post by OrphenFire

this might help ness.asp

It was interesting to note also that Cayce saw a person as a whole, with mind, body and spirit as a single unit, all so closely tied that it was not possible for one aspect to be diseased, either physically or mentally, without the whole person suffering the consequences. Hence, I have entitled my paper, "A Holistic Theory of Mental Illness." This point of view is expressed in the following statement from one of the readings:

For, the body-physical becomes that which it assimilates from material nature. The body-mental becomes that which it assimilates from both the physical-mental and the spiritual-mental. The soul is all of that the entity is, has been, or may be. (2475-1)

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:13 PM
reply to post by Xcalibur254

bipolar and depression are very real and can bring ruin or death to a person.

But cause and effect are often confused when it comes to diagnosis and medication. Bipolar and depression are both caused by "chemical imbalances in the brain". The only problem with that is no medical doctor can tell us what the proper balance of chemicals in the brain is.
Your mother getting killed can cause depression, that is natural. If your mother dies and you are depressed there is nothing wrong with you, but if you see a doctor you will be given a pill to alter your brain chemistry. So cause, effect and treatment
cause: mom is dead
Effect: depression
Treatmet: Treat a chemical imbalance in the brain?

The very fact that drugs work on the people diagnosed with these disorders shows that there is some fundamental neural problem.

They work?
these are the side effects of paxil

Nausea, vomiting, drowsiness, dizziness, diarrhea, trouble sleeping , yawning, constipation, or dry mouth may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor promptly. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these serious side effects occur: loss of appetite, unusual or severe mental/mood changes , increased sweating/flushing, unusual fatigue, uncontrolled movements (tremor), decreased interest in sex, changes in sexual ability. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: black stools, blurred vision, change in amount of urine, "coffee ground" vomit, easy bruising/bleeding. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these highly unlikely but very serious side effects occur: fainting, irregular heartbeat, muscle pain, trouble swallowing, unusual swelling, seizures , tingling or numbness of the hands/feet. Paroxetine may infrequently cause suicidal thoughts or self-harm urges in children or teenagers up to 18 years of age. Tell the doctor immediately should this occur (see Uses section). Males: In the very unlikely event you have a painful, prolonged erection, stop using this drug and seek immediate medical attention or permanent problems could occur. A serious allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

So the drugs used to treat a disorder cause some of the symptoms of what they are trying to cure.

Furthermore, brain scans show abnormalities in brain structure. So, if these things are non-existent people certainly have some strong imaginations to be able to not only change the chemistry of their brain, but the overall structure.

This again is just bad science at work. The brain chemistry thing was made up to sell pills. The structure of the brain varries from person to person, so if all bi-polar people have trait A that does not mean that all people with trait A are bi-polar. Kind of like saying all serial killers watch TV so TV creates serial killers.
GlaxoSmithKline will no longer be making anti-depressants partly because the ammount of lawsuits.

Mr. Witty said, because companies often don't know until the end of very large studies whether a drug works. It is also hard to prove that a depression drug is working, he said, because patient improvement is measured by subjective mood surveys, and not by the clear-cut blood tests and biological measures used in other diseases.

So when a doctor diagnosis a "mental disorder" it is very scientific and takes years of training. But when the drug maker has to actually do a test (you know the scientific stuff) it becomes hard to tell because it is measured by subjective mood surveys.

So if you broke your arm and went to the doctor what would you rather have. An x-ray to see if it is broken and the propper treatment or A doctor to sit down with you for an hour and discuss how you feel about your arm and for him to take a look at the way you are acting to tell if your arm is broken?

[edit on 14-4-2010 by zaiger]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:13 PM
reply to post by woodwardjnr

How do you know who the hell your talking to on a blog/post whatever? I could be Sigmund Freekin Freud? ( Well then I'd be dead wouldn't I?) You have to discern dude! With any info listen to your intuition!

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:27 PM
reply to post by zaiger

Ever seen anybody in Bipolar I mania? The meds do work! Schizophrenia? The meds do work! Untreated psychosis damages the brain. Depression? A black hole that your in and you don't know why or how to get out of it! Meds can help! I'm not pushing big Pharm here, just that I know in severe mental illness the right meds can work and restore the patients quality of life. Psychiatric illness is real and it's victims are tortured by pain and suffering greater than any physical pain. can't even control your own thoughts. Real people, good people with a mental illness. Have compassion for them, empathy and support them. They are your brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. There is no stigma in having a mental illness any more than having any other type of illness.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:31 PM
reply to post by Klaatumagnum

I give you facts and you in return try to appeal to emotion?

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:38 PM
reply to post by paxnatus

Awesome post my sister(?) Let's praise the Mental Health Professionals who really DO CARE, provide compassion and love to societies (unfortunatey) forgotten, misunderstood and poor. Those who bear witness to enormous pain and suffering every day and yet come back day after day to care for those that need them. Love, compassion are hallmarks of Psychiatry. If this applies to you God Bless you and thank you. If it doesn't same to you anyway. Peace and love to you.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:47 PM
reply to post by zaiger

I give you emotion, because I'm passionate about mental health. I live it every day. I see it every day. My heart breaks every day. I have seen meds work wonders with really sick people. I not bullsh*tting you. I'm talking really sick people. Yeah big pharma sucks. Yeah they want everyone on meds so they can make even bigger profits. You should never take any med unless you absolutely have to. But that's the point some people absolutely have to. Nothing is black and white dude! It's all just shades of grey! Peace to you!

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:48 PM
perhaps a recording or some transcripts would shed some light for us
all due respect

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