Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by ItsAgentScully

 

Or legalize cannabis, which accounts for a large portion of the drug trade. Granting people freedom of self determination and stop using it as an excuse to excite rednecks against hispanics further dividing this country.

It could help our economy. You mean legalize cannabis in general right?

Originally posted by grey580
This is just a knee jerk reaction.

And it's the same stupid fears that keep fueling this.
omg they are taking our jobs.

Honestly no illegal immigrant with poor skills and no school education is going to come over and steal a job you'd even consider applying for.
If you believe in this taking our jobs lie then I have some land in the everglades i'd like to sell you.

I used to have a Masonary Company (Synthetic Stone). The going wage was about $20 per hour for a skilled Mason. Illegal Mexicans would bring an entire team to work for $20 per hour, and do the job in 1/4th of the time! One person was legal, and they took the $20 wage and split it between 3 or 4 guys that were illegal. The one legal person was clearing several dollars per hour just for picking up the crew and dropping them off!

That is a real scenario. It made it impossible to compete with companies that could do the work for half the price in half the time. It was also unfair to the immigrants, because they were being taken advantage of. It was also tax evasion. It was also bad for the economy and people back in Mexico. As one worker put it, "My town has grown so used to the money coming back from the States, that when someone is deported, or they get married and stop sending money, the family suffers, and they no longer know how to survive on their own wages in their own country."

Plus. In my opinion the job taking is low on the priority scale. The fact that anybody can walk across the border of the most powerful country in the world is appalling! Unbelievable! Ridiculous! You can't just walk into North Korea. You can't just walk into Iran. If you get caught, you immediately face charges as spies, and enemy combatants!

When are Americans going to start crossing into Canada?

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In general, not just medicinal. It all boils down to freedom in the end. Do I have the right to it? And who are you to say no? And because they say no, we have a drug cartel saying yes.

And @getreadyalready


WTF dude, seriously.

If a police officer pulls over a car, and the occupants appear to be immigrants, but they cannot produce proper documentation, it should be not only the right, but the DUTY of that police officer to secure those individuals until they can be identified. If they are found to be illegal immigrants, they should be prosecuted, not just deported!

There are plenty of legal, naturalized hispanics in Arizona who would by all accounts appear to be illegal. So I just want you to accept, and say outloud...

"I condone racial profiling as a means to violate the rights of peaceful non-violent individuals who have commited no crime."

Let me break this down further for you. Being here illegally is not a crime. It's simply illegal. Because a CRIME is when you cause loss or harm to another or their property.

So after now being publicly made aware of that.

Would you still advocate PROSECUTING people who have not commited a crime?

Let's follow your logic, and see how far this country can get. *rolls eyes*

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Here you go, all caps, and standing on my office chair.

I SUPPORT RACIAL PROFILING IN ALL ASPECTS.

Of course I do. It would be dereliction of duty if a police officer left out key parts of a description that could eliminate 75% of the population. If a "black, male" is suspected of something, we have immediately eliminated more than 75% of the possible suspects.

If a police officer pulls over a car with no license plate, and a Mexican flag hanging from the rearview mirror, and the occupants speak very little English if any, and if they cannot produce Driver's Licenses, passports, or Green Cards, then they should be detained until it is sorted out.

I am White. If I go into Mexico (happened many times), it is immediately apparent that I am not Mexican. If a crime happens, in my vicinity, and the suspect is a white American, I fully expect to at least be questioned, and I will do everything in my power to help the authorities.

If I go visit my old buddy on Murder Row in NOLA. And a police officer pulls me over as I leave the neighborhood, because I am white and driving a hybrid, lol, then I will assure that officer that I was not buying drugs, and thank him for his service!

Anybody who ignores Racial Profiling is not a very good cop, or investigator!

reply to post by mryanbrown


I wasn't saying no. I'm open to the use of medical marijuana, in general im still researching and developing my opinion.

reply to post by mryanbrown

Let me break this down further for you. Being here illegally is not a crime. It's simply illegal. Because a CRIME is when you cause loss or harm to another or their property.

Crossing the border without proper credentials and permission is indeed a crime, and a serious one! We have to assume that anyone who chooses not to go through the proper channels of getting a visa, or applying for refuge status, is an enemy combatant.

What is the difference between 100,000 Mexicans crossing in a year's time in the dead of night, and 100,000 Mexicans organizing, and marching across with trumpets and flags? An invasion is an invasion, no matter how you want to color it.

I have a lot of "legal" immigrant friends, and they are proud of their status, and they abhore all the illegal crossing! I don't know a single "legal" Hispanic that is not in favor of sealing the border and prosecuting illegals!

Glad to hear the news.

For me it is a no-brainer: If someone does not even have the decency to enter a country through legal means, then deport them right away. It is trespassing.

reply to post by getreadyalready


You subscribe to socialist propoganda.

You think you need a license, so you use a license to profile.
You think you need a ssn, so you use an ssn to profile.
You think everyone is required to carry id, so you use id to profile.
You think everyone here legally has to speak fluent english, so you use english to profile.
You think everyone here legally has to only show support for the American flag, so you use nationality to profile.
Etc
Etc
Etc...

You already have a racinst agenda and motive. The tools you use as an excuse to profile can be anything. Because you have already targetted your audience. As hispanics, who do not fit the Americanized profile.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Exactly.
I can't go to a country like France and declare myself the right to their health care and other things guaranteed to citizens, because i am not a French citizen.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Crossing the border without proper credentials and permission is indeed a crime, and a serious one!

I wont bother reading beyond this until I make THIS point.

Again...

crime
–noun
1.an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.
dictionary.reference.com...

crime
n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs.
dictionary.law.com...

Oh hi, me again.

Yeah so once again a CRIME is when you cause loss or harm to another or their property.

None of that occurs by sticking your feet passed an invisible line.

So any other incorrect propoganda I can clarify for you?

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reply to post by mryanbrown


Uhhhh. Yes. To be a "citizen" of the United States and to identify yourself as such, you need something to verify that identity. To be a "legal" immigrant you need something that designates you as such.

It is not "socialist" to wish to have a Sovereign Country?

Maybe someday, we can tear down all the fences, and we can all chase butterflyes together because some benevolent alien race came and removed all our cares and worries. . . . not happening today though, and I like my fences!

Sure, if we dissolve the Union of the United States of America, then I guess we don't need any proof of our status as citizens, but as long as I am paying 30% income tax, and 7.5% sales tax, and Document stamp taxes, and 5% social security and 3% medicare, and $0.40 gallon gas tax, and extra taxes on my beer and cigars, then by god I want something for my money!

And what I want is a "preferred" status in my own country that is bought and paid for with my tax money and the blood and sweat of my ancestors! I do not want people sneaking across, bringing drugs, and asking for handouts, and working for cash under the table, and avoiding taxes, and then receiving the same benefits and rights as me.

If someone climbs the wood fence to my backyard, and my motion light goes off, and they hear the chambering of a round in my shotgun, they better have a very good reason to be in my yard, or they better be dam fast and wiry! I will assume that anybody entering my property illegally, has illegal intentions, and I will assume they are a threat until they prove otherwise. If it is good for my backyard, it ought to be good for the country.

Don't worry. They can always come to California. We'll accept them with open arms! Welfare, free hospital care, free school, get paid under the table without paying taxes, ad infinitum! Its not like we are running out of money or anything. So don't worry everyone, they're gonna be fine. Los Angeles has plenty of room for them to live and plenty of free services for them to take advantage of.


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So, are you claiming that literally millions of illegal immigrants have not harmed the public welfare in any way? Are you claiming that my bankrupt Masonary company was not harmed by illegal work practices? Are you claiming that a bankrupt Social Security and Medicare system was not harmed by fraudelent claims? Are you claiming that the El Paso policemen were not harmed by people stepping across an invisible line? Are you claiming that the $250,000 bounty on Border Patrol agents won't get anybody hurt? Are you claiming that the farmer in Texas that lost his home because he defended himself was not injured? Are you claiming that if we see someone pulling a scud missile on the back of an old chevy across an illegal line, we should wait to see what they do with it? Are you claiming that we don't need CIA or FBI or Military Intel, because none of it matters until after the fact?

There is such a thing as "crime prevention." In my opinion, anybody with good intentions will cross the border through legal channels. Anybody that chooses to cross the border illegally, obviously has illegal intentions.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
but as long as I am

voluntarily

paying 30% income tax, and 7.5% sales tax, and Document stamp taxes, and 5% social security and 3% medicare, and $0.40 gallon gas tax, and extra taxes on my beer and cigars, then by god I want something for my money!

I guess going off on a rant about how you ignorantly partake in the unlawful system, somehow justifies your use of further unlawful means to make someone elses life miserable.

Do you know how we used to do it just hardly 100 years ago? Immigrants could come on ship, or walk who cares. They would buy some land (then only a few dollars an acre), or work.

No visas, no green cards, no passports, none of this socialist identification stuff.

Then one day after a couple years with no criminal offenses, and a desire to want to partake in the voting process to help shape the laws around them. They would file notice of their intent to naturalize. And thus naturalize becoming citizens with the right to vote.

Know where your crackpot theory of how the system works with socialist identification systems came from?

The nazis...

Reply to post by mryanbrown

Yup, no one gets harmed by a leech living off untaxed income but using all the public services for free and collecting welfare without ever putting money into it. There's no loss there either. Nope nothing to see here. Move along.


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Originally posted by lpowell0627

Originally posted by Everwatcher33
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

The last I looked most Americans don't carry their Birth Certificate with them, also when you carry all of those documents it opens the door for them to be stolen. Which then leads to fraud, because those identity paper will pave the way for 20 more illegals.

Don't carry the original. Carry a copy and when requested, produce the original. Proving you are a citizen of this country is rather easy and can be done with numerous documents.

If you think that they are going to incarcerate you until you produce the original, you are wrong. They will look for 'suspicious, suspected' illegals, such as those:

-- Not carrying any ID at all
-- unable to provide an address accurately
-- Hesitant to provide an address
-- Unknown / invalid social security number

I can guarantee that the large chunk of American citizens have on them, easily have access to, or have in their brain any or all of the above information.

anyone carrying that kind of ID on them. You know what? There is also a good percentage of the population that don't carry ID's. Yes they are Americans and no they don't carry ID's. You say easy access what is easy? Mine is at home in a safe, that's easy because I can go home. No different. But, yes most immigrants that aren't citizens should have ID on them.

By the way the 4 things you listed above is an every day occurrence that police encounter in their day to day activities...and it's American's that don't want to give the information. With out that info can you produce the information that they are citizens?

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reply to post by getreadyalready


And as for this new addendum to your racism.

Stepping over that invisible line. Does not harm anyone.

Granted one then has an option once here, to fraud the public systems. I'm sorry though truly. I didn't know I was in the presence of Miss Cleo over here.

Psychic extraordinaire who can tell us exactly who is going to fraud the system.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Local law enforcement normally do not have the power because that power is in FEDERAL hands and always will be. But in a lot of counties local law enforcement are given a commission to arrest illegals already. The reason being is they do not have the man power on either side to combat the problem.

reply to post by JIMC5499


You are right, unless the person has done something worth keeping them they are released within a day.