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Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


I could be crazy but it sounds like we're going to start kidnaping Mexicans for ransom in Arizona.

It sounded to me like 8 (a) and (b) are stating that if a person is found guilty of being here illegally, they must pay all court and attorney fees. Plus an additional fine.

And I would imagine we would hold them prisoner until those fees are paid.

Despite in the Arizona constitution it states.




18. Imprisonment for debt

Section 18. There shall be no imprisonment for debt, except in cases of fraud.



www.azleg.gov.../const/2/18.htm


So yeah.....

[edit on 14-4-2010 by mryanbrown]




posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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The last I looked most americans don't carry their Birth Certificate with them, also when you carry all of those documents it opens the door for them to be stolen. Which then leads to fraud, because those identity paper will pave the way for 20 more illegals.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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I guess we'll have to move our convention this year. I'm not going somewhere where some 5th grade educated redneck cop can walk up and demand my identity papers. "Prove your citizenship or off to a secret prison for secret proceedings. No thanks. Time to boycott Arizona. and all products made in that fascist national ID requiring state.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Well if they really are immigrants (legal) they are required by law to carry around proof of that status with them at all times. Only when they naturalize are they released from those requirements.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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The problem of illegal immigration is similar to the illegal drug problem. It is a non problem spun out of whole cloth by the political class and the elites to further usurp power and money. They create the laws and then they break them to their enrichment and to our detriment.

Not a single one of these illegal immigrants should be afforded any type of amnesty. No one cares if you are Mexican, Brazilian, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, or Martian. You entered my country illegally. You are a criminal and subject to prosecution.

I would suggest those here illegally and those here to wage jihad to begin self deportation before citizens decide to show you the door.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


Then we get this guy to run the border patrol agency and deport them.


www.mcso.org...



I agree with most posts on this topic but this. In my opinion, Sheriff Joe is a tyrant who will start with the mexicans and then go for every other 'minority' group until he returns the whole Phoenix metropolitan area to the caucasian mormon sanctuary it started out as.

An acquaintance of mine is actually considered a fugitive in that county because he received a careless driving ticket and found out that he would get jail time for being in a car accident. He has a terminal illness and is afraid he would die because he wouldn't get the medications he needs in the so-called penal system there. He is a conservative republican, a blue-collar guy, and has no priors other than minor traffic violations, but because he was in a car accident about 15 years before it was considered habitual behavior to Sheriff Joe. He never appeared for his sentencing and moved to another city.

We should be governed by moral justice not fear.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Portugoal
Pretty soon, Americans are going to be leaving their own country, as well as all the illegal immigrants. And then Canada will have this problem.


Speak for yourself. I don't plan on leaving this great nation, no matter how hard the liberals try to destroy it.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The problem of illegal immigration is similar to the illegal drug problem. It is a non problem spun out of whole cloth by the political class and the elites to further usurp power and money. They create the laws and then they break them to their enrichment and to our detriment.

Not a single one of these illegal immigrants should be afforded any type of amnesty. No one cares if you are Mexican, Brazilian, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, or Martian. You entered my country illegally. You are a criminal and subject to prosecution.

I would suggest those here illegally and those here to wage jihad to begin self deportation before citizens decide to show you the door.



And yet it doesn't cross anyone's mind that most law enforcement agencies know WHERE the illegals are but do nothing about them? Because federal and local can't do anything about them. Once again it's a lack of man-power/money.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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I wonder how long it will take for them to cry racial profiling? If the majority of illegals are mexican, of course mexicans are going to be the ones who fall under suspicion more than any other race. Political correctness is killing us.

And i agree, close the borders NOW. Maybe we can still save ourselves from collapse.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by Portugoal
Pretty soon, Americans are going to be leaving their own country, as well as all the illegal immigrants. And then Canada will have this problem.


Speak for yourself. I don't plan on leaving this great nation, no matter how hard the liberals try to destroy it.


Whew! Thank God for that!


Cuz I wouldn't want any right wing radicals screwing up Canada like they've obviously already done down there in AZ and TX.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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This is one of the main issues on the minds of the people of the country. There are several problems with illegale immigration.
The first problem is that illegale immigrants who are here to work are often abused, have no rights, no recourse and are in short a slave labor force.
2) Many illegale immigrants do put a drain on social services, from medical, to school, and other parts that are there to assist the citizens of the country who are down on their luck.
3) The violence on the borders are growing and spilling over, and we can no longer ignore the problems to the south.
4) The citizens of the United States on both sides of the borders are being attacked and killed.
Unfortunately, this problem has been growing and now the solutions are going to hurt, as there are no easy solutions. And unfortunately right now a general amnesty will not work, it will only divide the country more, as it will force more people to the firnge sides of society, to the point of where we may see people pulling away from each other.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Anybody want to take bets on what happens when the illegals are turned over to ICE? My money is on their going in one door of the building and right out the other. I mean we can't have all of those future Democrat voters be deported.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Everwatcher33
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The last I looked most americans don't carry their Birth Certificate with them, also when you carry all of those documents it opens the door for them to be stolen. Which then leads to fraud, because those identity paper will pave the way for 20 more illegals.


Don't carry the original. Carry a copy and when requested, produce the original. Proving you are a citizen of this country is rather easy and can be done with numerous documents.

If you think that they are going to incarcerate you until you produce the original, you are wrong. They will look for 'suspicious, suspected' illegals, such as those:

-- Not carrying any ID at all
-- unable to provide an address accurately
-- Hesitant to provide an address
-- Unknown / invalid social security number

I can guarantee that the large chunk of American citizens have on them, easily have access to, or have in their brain any or all of the above information.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Not a single one of these illegal immigrants should be afforded any type of amnesty. No one cares if you are Mexican, Brazilian, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, or Martian. You entered my country illegally. You are a criminal and subject to prosecution.


Racist. Not one mention of non-dark skinned races. Because all whites are legal, and human apparently.


I would suggest those here illegally and those here to wage jihad to begin self deportation before citizens decide to show you the door.


Ridiculous.

Let me ask you, how do you determine someone is here illegally? By violating the right to privacy of those here legally. To require carrying identification under penalty of law.

But of course, white people will be exempt. Because they aren't racist. All whites are here legally...

That's sarcasm by the way.

And to the person recommending boycotting my state. Get right with yourself before you start making radical statements like that.

Do you honestly think the actions of government represent the will of the common man? Every state is as equally corrupt for the most part.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
-- Not carrying any ID at all
I never do.


-- unable to provide an address accurately
-- Hesitant to provide an address
-- Unknown / invalid social security number

I don't have an SSN. I withdrew it.

So any other socialist propoganda you want to use as an effective means of identifying people in this witch hunt?


I can guarantee that the large chunk of American citizens have on them, easily have access to, or have in their brain any or all of the above information.


Because of unlawful economic conditions imposed on them, making them think they are required to.

That's essentially the same logic as.

"I bet Hitler's SS would have killed the child."

[edit on 14-4-2010 by mryanbrown]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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Get the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and get them on the border. This illegal alien business is getting to the point of absurdity. Not to mention the escalating drug violence along the border. The border patrol wouldn't mind the reinforcement I'm sure.

When you have american citizens being killed by illegals, and US agents being shot at daily, then there is a problem.

And I don't want to hear any liberal bull# about open borders. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. No one cares.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner
Get the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and get them on the border. This illegal alien business is getting to the point of absurdity. Not to mention the escalating drug violence along the border. The border patrol wouldn't mind the reinforcement I'm sure.

When you have american citizens being killed by illegals, and US agents being shot at daily, then there is a problem.

And I don't want to hear any liberal bull# about open borders. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. No one cares.



The drug war has been pushed aside far too long. We may end up having to care of it ourselves, which im sure we could. Put the troops on the borders, its national security. Americans die daily at the hands of these people, it needs to end and not shove this aside anymore.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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Or legalize cannabis, which accounts for a large portion of the drug trade. Granting people freedom of self determination and stop using it as an excuse to excite rednecks against hispanics further dividing this country.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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This is just a knee jerk reaction.

And it's the same stupid fears that keep fueling this.
omg they are taking our jobs.

Honestly no illegal immigrant with poor skills and no school education is going to come over and steal a job you'd even consider applying for.
If you believe in this taking our jobs lie then I have some land in the everglades i'd like to sell you.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Can anybody believe that police were not already empowered in this manner? Or that our borders are not already fully secured? When I learned that there is not even a fence in many locations, and that only immigration officials have the power to arrest and deport, I was appalled!

WAY TO GO AZ!!

If a police officer pulls over a car, and the occupants appear to be immigrants, but they cannot produce proper documentation, it should be not only the right, but the DUTY of that police officer to secure those individuals until they can be identified. If they are found to be illegal immigrants, they should be prosecuted, not just deported!

I am all for legal immigration, and I have worked with both legal and illegal immigrants, and by and large they are great people and hard workers. I support their right to immigrate (legally) and earn wages according to our laws (not under the table).

It is unbelieveable to me that anybody could have a different opinion on this aspect? If a pregnant, Mexican woman can walk across the border unnoticed, then surely a trained operative, or terrorist, or spy, or enemy combatant, or anyone else could pull it off as well?

If we are not going to secure the border, and treat anybody sneaking across as a potential enemy of the state, then why bother having any intel, or spy network, or military at all? What is the point of Airport security, or Port Security, or Customs and Immigration on the Main Highways, if you can walk 500 yards down the road and cross unimpeded without a threat of severe penalties?



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