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Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act


www.latimes.com

Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday approved what foes and supporters agree is the toughest measure in the country against illegal immigrants, directing local police to determine whether people are in the country legally.

The measure, long sought by opponents of illegal immigration, passed 35 to 21 in the state House of Representatives.

The state Senate passed a similar measure earlier this year, and Republican Gov. Jan Brewer is expected to sign the bill.
(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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The bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status.


I located a fact sheet on this bill here:

www.azleg.gov...


Purpose

Requires officials and agencies of the state and political subdivisions to fully comply with and assist in the enforcement of federal immigration laws and gives county attorneys subpoena power in certain investigations of employers. Establishes crimes involving trespassing by illegal aliens, stopping to hire or soliciting work under specified circumstances, and transporting, harboring or concealing unlawful aliens, and their respective penalties.

Enforcement
1. Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S.

2. Requires the person’s immigration status to be verified with the federal government pursuant to federal law.

3. Requires an alien unlawfully present in the U.S. who is convicted of a violation of state or local law to be transferred immediately to the custody of ICE or Customs and Border Protection, on discharge from imprisonment or assessment of any fine that is imposed.

4. Allows a law enforcement agency to securely transport an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S. and who is in the agency’s custody to:

a) a federal facility in this state or

b) any other point of transfer into federal custody that is outside the jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency.

5. Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.

6. Prohibits officials or agencies of the state and political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining an individual’s immigration status information or exchanging that information with any other governmental entity for the following official purposes:

a) determining eligibility for any public benefit, service or license provided by any federal, state, local or other political subdivision of this state;

b) verifying any claim of residence or domicile if that verification is required under state law or a judicial order issued pursuant to a civil or criminal proceeding in the state;

c) confirming a detainee’s identity; and

d) if the person is an alien, determining whether the person is in compliance with federal alien registration laws.

7. Disallows officials or agencies of the state or political subdivisions from adopting or implementing policies that limit immigration enforcement to less than the full extent permitted by federal law, and allows a person to bring an action in superior court to challenge an official or agency that does so.

8. Requires the court, if there is a judicial finding that an entity has committed a violation, to order any of the following:

a) that the plaintiff recover court costs and attorney fees;

b) that the defendant pay a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after the filing of the action.

9. Requires the court to collect and remit the civil penalty to the Department of Public Safety (DPS), which must establish a special subaccount for the monies in the account established for the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) appropriation.

10. Specifies that law enforcement officers are indemnified by their agencies against reasonable costs and expenses, including attorney fees, incurred by the officer in connection with any action, suit or proceeding brought pursuant to this statute to which the officer may be a party by reason of the officer being or having been a member of the law enforcement agency, except in relation to matters in which the officer is adjudged to have acted in bad faith.


And there is lots more at that link.

It would seem that at a minimum, the other border states need to enact these same laws, but really the whole country needs to.

And seeing as lately judges have been telling locals to arm themselves, you'd figure there would be something to this effect in this bill. Like for instance, providing additional funding for citizens to arm themselves. But nooooooooooooo! Your average citizen is supposed to fight off military grade weapons that the drug cartels have obtained with hunting rifles and pistols!


While this is a start, it is not near enough. What really needs to happen is at a minimum the National Guard should be deployed in full force on the border, with shoot to kill orders for the forseeable future.

This has gone way beyond a mere illegal immigration issue- there are now $250,000 bounties being placed on the heads of our border patrol agents. And our citizens are being killed as well.

We ought to force all of Congress and the President to go patrol the damn border themselves for a few weeks, and then maybe they'll get a clue that it's fricken time to DO SOMETHING. Jesus!

www.latimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:35 AM
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I think we need to lock up the border before the world economy completely tanks...how poor and starving do Americans need to be before we realize that we don't want a whole bunch more poor-and-starvings crammed into the same sinking boat with us?...Vamos a ver...



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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Don't worry, pretty soon we'll be in such bad shape that they'll start crossing back into Mexico by the thousands.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 07:23 AM
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You guys see this?


Investigations of Employers

26. Allows the county attorney, in investigations of employers who are alleged to have knowingly or intentionally hired unauthorized aliens, to take evidence, administer oaths or affirmations, issue subpoenas requiring attendance and testimony of witnesses and cause depositions to be taken.

27. Exempts proceedings held during the course of a confidential investigation from open meeting laws.

28. Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped in an investigation if the employer was predisposed to knowingly or intentionally employ an unauthorized alien and law enforcement officers or their agents merely provided the employer with an opportunity to do so.

29. States that it is not entrapment for law enforcement officers or their agents merely to use a ruse or to conceal their identities.

30. Directs employers to keep verification records of their employees’ work eligibility through E-Verify.

31. Establishes a class 3 felony for failing to:

a) verify employment eligibility through E-Verify or

b) keep records of verifications.


That's a crucial part of this- coming down on employers!

Oh, what's the matter? Built your landscaping or other business on illegal labor? Then I guess you don't really like these new laws, now do you? Well, tough crap. You are a huge reason why we have this stinking problem in the first place. Not only did you hire illegals instead of hiring a citizen (which may cost you more), but you have provided the incentive for all of them to cross the border in the first place.
at you.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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Ya know this is a problem we've been dealing with for years...
Quick story. back when my now adult daughter was ten years old she went to school with a Mexican girl who we learned was here in the US because her mother traded that little girl for drug money.
He grandmother would eventually come get her. both were allowed to stay here for fear of her just being sold off again....

Lately though things have really gotten bad. late last year we had Golden coral restaurant robbed by thugs welding machine guns... killed the hostess... Lots of home invasions, people have been kidnapped, little kids threatened and extorted...

When I retired from the Marine Corps I thought I would never see or need an assault rifle again... I was wrong...
Now I'm hoping to trade a collectors revolver for an AR style weapon... Already have plans to get my family out of the line of fire too!


[edit on 14-4-2010 by DaddyBare]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Immigration in this country is broken. Period. This looks to be a step in the right direction but ALL border states will have to adopt similar measures for this to be effective.

One thing that really aggravates me is not speaking English. If I moved to Germany to work Id sure as heck learn to speak German before I went...



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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And so what happens when the illegals get the bright idea to start attacking the lawmakers who made this bill, just like in Mexico they are killing police, mayors of towns, and government officials left and right?



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 08:11 AM
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Then we get this guy to run the border patrol agency and deport them.


www.mcso.org...



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by DaddyBare
 


And so what happens when the illegals get the bright idea to start attacking the lawmakers who made this bill, just like in Mexico they are killing police, mayors of towns, and government officials left and right?


There are signs that's about to happen

Three men walked into the Fort Hancock High School gymnasium last month during a basketball game, setting off worries they were drug cartel members sent to deliver a message. Parent Maria Aguilar said a panic swept through the gym and subsided only once they left.

Wilson said a suspicious car was noticed following a packed school bus earlier this year. Rumors that the car belonged to cartel members never were validated, but after other suspicious cars were spotted, the department began following buses.

One Fort Hancock High student picked up for truancy told a judge he was too scared to go to class after witnessing a murder in Mexico. Police say his mother and grandfather were tortured with ice picks last week in El Pornevir, Mexico, just across the Rio Grande. The two remained in an El Paso hospital Monday while the student was in protective custody, Hudspeth County Constable J.E. Sierra said.

Ten miles down the road in Fabens, fliers in the teacher's lounges ask faculty to watch for a gunman wanted for four killings in Ciudad Juárez. He's the father of two boys at the middle school

there are reports that students attending American schools have been told they need to pay $500 or be murdered

this is from an older story Fear now way of life in border towns
Yes it is that bad down here...

Edit to add...
these same kids are being recuted into the cartels...American kids...

[edit on 14-4-2010 by DaddyBare]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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Yeah well screw this. I have the solution alright:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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The Anti-McCain people will be on his butt now. He refused to jump from the fence leading up to this bill.

It will be McCains downfall-politically. I have no problem with that. Thank you for your military service Sir.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Can we please vote Jan Brewer into the office of the US President? On the condition he promises to push through a federal law to the same effect. Oh yeah, and protect the border for real. Lots of towers etc.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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I find it funny how all of you will accept a police state like this with open arms...as long as you think they are targeting Mexicans.

The fact is that anyone in Arizona can be subject to these laws...I hope you can somehow prove that you are a US citizen to a patrol officer...or have a nice stay at a federal facility until they can confirm it.

And another thing this does is pretty much legalize racial profiling. They are even expecting lawsuits over this by clearing the officers of any court costs/legal fees.

This will be the first small step towards a national ID, which I really have no problem with, but I am surprised to see people here on ATS accept this so easily.

I just find it funny.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Just to be a simpleton for a minute --

I've never understood why all of this is even necessary? It is against the law to live in this country illegally. It is a crime. If you or I committed a crime, we would be hauled off to jail -- immediately.

They are criminals. They are breaking the law. I see this law as simply emphasizing laws already in place that nobody seems to bother to enforce.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm glad they did this, I just don't understand why we aren't already enforcing this on a national level.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I find it funny how all of you will accept a police state like this with open arms...as long as you think they are targeting Mexicans.


We don't want a police state going after American citizens. We are all in favor of the police actually going after criminals. The problem with the police is that illegals can do what they want and nobody bothers with them, yet they harass and taser citizens without even blinking.

The job of the police is to go after actual criminals. Illegal aliens are criminals according to our current immigration laws.



The fact is that anyone in Arizona can be subject to these laws...I hope you can somehow prove that you are a US citizen to a patrol officer...or have a nice stay at a federal facility until they can confirm it.


Birth certificate. Hell, and I bet they'll even take the short form Live Birth record to boot!!


And another thing this does is pretty much legalize racial profiling. They are even expecting lawsuits over this by clearing the officers of any court costs/legal fees.


Yes, heaven forbid we target people that make up more than 60% of illegal immigrants. By all means, let's make sure that we spend the money to haul everyone through the wringer so that the criminals don't feel targeted in any way.

Here's an idea -- carry ID. Birth certificate, driver's license, or passport. Voila! Instant proof of citizenship.


This will be the first small step towards a national ID, which I really have no problem with, but I am surprised to see people here on ATS accept this so easily.

I just find it funny.


Laugh all you want.

Why would this lead to a national ID card for citizens? It's called a birth certificate. We are required by law to have one issued if you were born in this country. We have green cards for people that are here legally. That pretty much covers everyone that's supposed to be here.

In case you are wondering, I completely support this and do not support national ID cards.

Why? Because one gets rid of criminals already breaking our laws who aren't supposed to be here anyway and the other targets law-abiding citizens.

If you can't see the difference I don't know what else to say.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Arizona set to allow concealed weapons without a permit

www.examiner.com...


Arizona moved one step closer to becoming the third state in the nation to allow citizens to carry concealed firearms without a permit. The new bill comes after the brutal murder of an Arizona rancher near the U.S./Mexico border and the violence that continues to escalate.

The state-approved legislation will now head to governor, Jan Brewer a Republican, who has indicated her signature on the bill giving Arizonians the ability to carry a weapon without a permit, according to the bill’s co-sponsor Republican Sen. Russell Pearce of Mesa.

The law would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that the state now requires. The legislation was approved by the House 36-19 without debate and sets out to make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona.

Currently if Arizonians carry a hidden firearm without a permit it is a misdemeanor and punishable by six months in jail and/or a fine of up to $2,500.

If the legislation is enacted as expected, Arizona will join Vermont and Alaska who do not require permits to carry concealed weapons. There are two states, Wisconsin and Illinois that prohibit handguns all together.


This could probably use its own thread, so there, someone grab it and make one. But it is related because the story says this comes on the heels of the recent murder of an Arizona rancher.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

The bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status.


Jeez. Shouldn't that be the protocol in the first place?


[edit on 14-4-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Pretty soon, Americans are going to be leaving their own country, as well as all the illegal immigrants. And then Canada will have this problem.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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Wow there is so much wrong with this bill. All everyone see is they passed a law yeah it will fix everything...

Enforcement

1. This will take forever to verify some information on an individual unless they have their documents on them. Hell USCIS/ICE/CBP can't even verify the information some times. A local law enforcement agency won't be able to.

2. Federal government is slow.

3. Umm just becase they commit a crime doesn't automatically mean they are deportable. If they are in here illegally yes, but they still have to either get expeditely removed or go through the slow EOIR process.

4. There isn't any room to hold illegals why do you think ICE/CBP doesn't do more about it? There isn't enough man power/money to do anything about it. The illegals know it and law enforcement know it why can't law makers?

5. Regular law enforcement officers don't know what offenses make someone deportable. Most local law enforcement officers do not know the 212, 237, 241 charges that make someone deportable. So they will all learn immigration law? Hahah good luck hell the laws aren't clear in the first place.

6. Section is fine

7. Section is fine

8. Most of the illegals don't have the money to pay court costs you won't get anything.

9. section is fine

10. Section is fine they have to cover officer asses.

Border states don't need to enact them because they can't enforce them, it's wasted legislation. Unless there is a complete over haul of the entire system it's all wasted money and effort. Don't even think about ICE handling all those immigrants heh...ICE doesn't have the man power or the money to deal with small time stuff they won't take them. Don't think about putting them all into deportation proceedings because those can last well beyond a few years. While deportation is pending they are free to live like normal. (Unless it's expedited removal which doesn't happen to a majority of people) The law doesn't solve anything, doesn't change anything...it's almost useless. The simple fact is there isn't the man power/money to enforce

[edit on 4/14/2010 by Everwatcher33]



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