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Originally posted by Shadowhawk
These are just a few examples of actual, documented government crash retrieval operations. There are many others but the ultimate lesson is always the same. Unless the site has been paved over, there should be something left.
So I think this relationship goes back to Nazi Germany because I do know that Debus was also part of von Braun’s team at Peenemünde. And what he was doing for von Braun there was, he was constructing the measuring equipment for these stationary rocket test gantries that the Nazis had built there. But he’s also got this connection to the Bell. Now this is why I find this question interesting, because if you go into the Cooper-Cantwell documents (MAJIC 12 documents)—and I’m not arguing for or against their authenticity; I’m saying I’m looking only at the internal evidence of the documents themselves—they kind of corroborate this picture because what they suggest is that these Nazi Paperclip rocket scientists were brought in to look at this Roswell wreckage. And the first question that occurs to my mind: Well, why bring in Nazi scientists if you suspect this is ET? You’re gonna want to keep that as classified as possible from your former enemy, okay? But you bring ’em in because it looks German. And von Braun... Okay? You’ve got von Braun and Arthur Rudolph and all these Nazi scientists looking at this stuff and they come up with this explanation of what this is. It’s some sort of Neutronic engine with fusion that’s taking place, and so on and so forth. And that tells me that if that’s true, then somebody—if it’s disinformation—somebody knows that Debus and von Braun communicated something way back in Nazi Germany and that von Braun knew enough about this other secret project to be able to say that to his American interrogators.
Originally posted by drew hempel
reply to post by redoubt
Still anything is POSSIBLE! Certainly if people focus on channeling the images that are promoted in mass media then they could very well create real aliens!!
One of these was one Philip Corso, allegedly a high-profile member of the US Military, who, at the very end of his life, decided to share his knowledge on the true events surrounding the crash of an extraterrestrial spacecraft near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. Rouse had discovered that Corso had ties to the Psychological Warfare department, specifically to its chief, C.D. Jackson. The source of this link was Burton Hersch, in his book The Old Boys: The American Elite and the Origins of the CIA: “On C.D. Jackson’s staff at the Operations Coordinating Board, responsibility for salvaging the guard battalions fell now to the hotspur Colonel Philip Corso – who until 1955 had liased closely with Nelson Rockefeller, for some months Eisenhower’s Special Assistant for Cold War Strategy. Rockefeller’s Open Skies Policy had functioned in large part as an eleventh-hour smoke screen to suffocate the promising disarmament talks of the period.” In short, Corso had been partially responsible for stalling world peace. Other points that Tom Rouse picked up was that “Corso was personally acquainted with Frank Wisner, legendary CIA organizer and operator”, as well as being “personally acquainted with Nelson Rockefeller, who served as director of the Psychological Strategy Board under Eisenhower, replacing C.D. Jackson.” C.D. Jackson was best known for his top executive position at the Time-Life-Fortune magazines, but during World War II, he was deputy chief of the Psychological Warfare Division at S.H.A.E.F. for Eisenhower. Before that, he was deputy chief for the Office of War Information. Rouse added: “C.D. Jackson was among the most powerful psychological warriors of his time. He knew how to organize, on a large scale, mass communications and employ social psychology and survey research to promote ideas and propaganda to influence public opinion and behavior.” In short, C.D. Jackson was also an expert on paradigm shifts… how to fabricate them, and how to defuse them… This was Corso’s boss, friend and apparently mentor. Rouse concluded: “If […] Corso was acquainted with the practitioners of PW at the highest levels, then we might conclude that he had knowledge of basic PW methods and operations. And this is where I speculate: If Corso had sophisticated knowledge of PW methods, how might he have employed them in the publication of his book: The Day After Roswell? Is it possible that the book could have been some kind of eleventh-hour smokescreen?”
He discloses some pretty crazy stuff, had me on the edge of my seat a few times. I found another interview he did with Open Minds Radio where they get into some more UFO related areas, including Nazi UFOS/The Bell, WW2 foo fighters, etc.
FYI during the interview everything works fine until around the 10min mark, then their audio board dies, but he gets a new one working and if you skip to 21min, the audio comes back.
"Before long Moore -- then a new force in civilian UFO research -- was tapped by a group of intelligence agents and a deal was struck: Moore was to keep tabs on Bennewitz while the Air Force ran a psychological profile and disinformation campaign on the unsuspecting physicist."
Originally posted by FireMoon
It's just a classic case of cherry picking certain ideas and then extrapolating, based on a person's own particular bias. At no point does any of your chosen evidence even attempt to explain how. Foo fighters were present over vast tracks of water in the Pacific theatre,. They just choose to completely ignore that whole aspect to the phenomenon because it totally shoots down their claims.
The device was powered by special flat, circular a turbojet engine. After being guided to the proximity of the target from the ground, an automatic infra-red tracking device took over control. The circular spinning turbojet exhaust created a visual effect of a bright, fiery ball in the nighttime sky. Within the craft itself a klystron tube pulsated at the frequency of Allied radar making it almost invisible to those remote eyes. A thin sheet of aluminum encircled the device immediately under the layer of protective armor but was electrically insulated from the armor. Once a bullet pierced the armor and the thin aluminum sheet, a circuit was formed which had the effect of triggering the Feuerball to climb out of danger at full speed (2).
And for what? To run around the sky doing, apparently nothing at all in any constructive manner at all. They freaked their Axis pilots out, as much as they had the Allies wondering.
Phoo bombs were described as "radio-controlled, jet-propelled, still-nosed, short-range, high performance ramming weapons for use against bombing formations". Speed was estimated at 525 miles per hour.
If you check one of the ongoing research threads. I spent a good few hours working through the reports of every Allied plane, recorded as being shot down over Denmark. Nowhere, could i find reference to the supposed, British Spitfire, downed by a Foo fighter over that country. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is no documentary evidence, i can find, to support it.
The foo-fighters seen by American pilots were only a minor demonstration, a fraction of a vast variety of methods used to confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents.
Once again, only recently has the German perspective on "Foo Fighters" been verified by a February 1945 report called "An Evaluation of German Capabilities in 1945." This report, among other things, lists a German "phoo bomb" as well as atom bombs. Miniaturized klystron tubes, as well as German advances in silicon and germanium crystals, two elements essential in the making of semiconductors which in turn are the basis of the transistor, were actually under development as well.7 Most of this research was burned by the Germans in the face of the Allied advance into the Reich, and the rest fell into American hands. 6 Vesco and Childress, op. cit., pp. 212-213. 7 Henry Stevens, Hitler's Flying Saucers: A Guide to German Flying Disks of the Second World War, p. 75.
This aside, I have spoken with J. Andreas Epp by telephone and corresponded with him. He saw and took pictures of a German disc in flight. They are in his book, Die Realitaete der Deutchen Flugscheiben. Epp says this was the Otto Habermohl model. Schriever's disc never flew beyond perhaps a couple hops off the ground. Both the Habermohl model and the Miethe model flew well. Well means 1300 mph and 60,000 feet----no this is not a misprint. This program was originally run by the German Air Force, later taken over by the SS. Georg Klein oversaw this program for both organizations and was involved in making the final decision as to which saucer to manufacture--along with Dr. Ing. Hans Kammler. Kammler, according to a newspaper interview by Klein after the war, picked the Habermohl model which was easier and cheaper to build. Klein says he saw the Habermohl model fly in 1944. Besides this, I found a witness, now living in Canada,k who saw the liftoff from a school room window as a child. Besides Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe, there was a Feuerball (foo fighter) program. I have (finally) forced the US goverment to come clean about this and they have provided a 1944 Defence Intelligence Briefing stating that "Phoo Bombs" as they called them, where German circular turbojet devices which could be expected to challenge Allied air power in 1945. Further, the Germans experimented with field propulsion vehicles during the war and according to one F.B.I. report, also obtained via Freedom of Information, the craft was huge and lifted of silently, stopping motorized vehicles. This report was from a Pole doing agricultural work in the area who saw the saucer and later immigrated to the USA. Heinreich Fleissner, mentioned at the German web-site, was granted a patent for a flying saucer in 1965. It took ten years because the US goverment was working on it also. Fleissner was a hydrolic engineer at Peenemuende and a consultant on the German saucer program. He says in a German magazine article that as Berlin fell, four German flying discs left Tempelhof Airport. Believe me, there are a million stories and lots of proof. This web-site is only a drop in the bucket. There is no doubt, there is a 100% certainty that the Germans built and flew things we today would call flying saucers.
In Swedish, I only have one but it is a good one. It is a newspaper story from Aftonbladet, dated 10/10/52, titled: "Flygande tefat var Hitlers A 7-vapen". (Flying Saucer was Hitler's A-7 Weapon). This was a very embarassing story for the US authorities at the time since it described Dr. Werner von Braun's involvement in this project. Dr. von Braun was then working in the USA and had publicly denied involvement in the German saucer projects. The saucer descirbed in Aftonbladet lifted off in April, 1944 and was six meters in diameter. It described the Reich's future saucer plans in detail and diagrams and tells us that this future model was designed to fly at an altitude of 100 kilometers and would have been atomic powered.
U.S. government's own documents prove they knew of the German origin of foo fighters. This table of contents of a "Intelligence Digest" document, with a February, 1945 date, addresses German military capacities. It lists "Phoo Bombs" as a weapon in the German arsenal (see VI- OtherWeapons) Taken from microfilm negative image.