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Originally posted by andy1033
Farage says what we all say here, that both conservative and labour are just the same, but different management.
So right, nothing will change.
Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Conservative - Let us tax you less and give you the power to control your own life.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by Chevalerous
I find it very interesting that all political parties moves generally rightwards since the 1970's.
One of the effects of that decade was to make it abundantly clear that full-blooded socialism simply doesn't work. Even left-wing parties have been gradually recognising the implications of that.
Originally posted by Chevalerous
And that statement of yours would not be true since NONE of the western countries in Europe ever had: "full-blooded socialism".
[edit on 13-4-2010 by Chevalerous]
Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by DISRAELI
This, unfortunately is true.
If the Tories get in, I may lose my government job through spending cuts.
I'm voting Tory. I can get another job, I can't get another country. People should start thinking about the nation, rather that just about themselves.
We know that whoever gets in, we're going to have a hard time in the future. The money to pay off Laybour's debs has to come from somewhere, and that place is from us! It's inevitable and no party can deny that situation.
Originally posted by Yissachar1
I have to admit that I liked many of the things on Cameron's manifesto..
'People power' at centre of drive for 'Big Society'
Residents get power to veto council tax rises
Voters can kick out MPs found guilty of wrongdoing
Parents, charities and businesses allowed to run own schools
Directly-elected police chiefs will set budgets and strategy
First-time buyer stamp duty threshold permanently raised to £250k
Immigration capped at around 50,000 a year
Some good stuff.. I particularly like that MP numbers will be reduced. Ministers pay will be cut and big government in general will be trimmed down.....
Your thoughts? Does it enthuse you and make you want to vote Tory? Or does it just sound like a bunch of old tosh??
To me it sounds too socialist to be a Tory manifesto... Tories the new Labour?
reply to post by nik1halo
If the Tories get in, I may lose my government job through spending cuts. I'm voting Tory. I can get another job, I can't get another country. People should start thinking about the nation, rather that just about themselves.
Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by nik1halo
The world has turned upside down and inside out... Yesterday.. We had Gordo speaking up for the middle class... A LABOUR guy!!... Now we have conservatives speaking for the working man??? WTF???
I found myself agreeing with him... Truth is.. When the economy is in as bad a state as it is, we need money men and business men running the show rather than social engineers like Liebour... We need less governing and more social responsibility with everyone taking responsibility for themselves and their families rather than taking handouts from nanny government.. I also liked the part in the manifesto that says if healthy people on benifits refuse work then they have them taken off them... This will stop families like THIS from taking the piss....
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
if you allow council tax payers to veto council tax rises, then due to human nature people will do it - particularly now. Which means, that if there's less going in the pot - and check out your council tax bill rundown for how the money goes towards the police and so on - and therefore, the police will have no #ing choice but to work towards restricted budgets. Again, as with the schools think above, it's being sold as it will all be our choice and therefore ultimately our responsibility if things go tits up.
So, when the service we get from the police gets worse, schools gets worse and we want to protest about it, the #ing Tories will be able to turn around and say 'sorry Proles, it's your own fault!' all the while still raking it in as MPs: all the money and none of the responsibility.
It's a #ing scam.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by Chevalerous
And that statement of yours would not be true since NONE of the western countries in Europe ever had: "full-blooded socialism".
[edit on 13-4-2010 by Chevalerous]
I must admit that i was really only talking about British conditions.
I was using "full-blooded socialism" as a comparative term, meaning that it was more so than New Labour.
And I can promise you that the British socialism of the 1970's did not work.
I lived through it.
It was a nightmare.
It was a time when people were starting to speculate that the country was becoming "ungovernable".
On that experimental basis, I stand by my statement that socialism does not work.
[edit on 13-4-2010 by DISRAELI]
Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
if you allow council tax payers to veto council tax rises, then due to human nature people will do it - particularly now. Which means, that if there's less going in the pot - and check out your council tax bill rundown for how the money goes towards the police and so on - and therefore, the police will have no #ing choice but to work towards restricted budgets. Again, as with the schools think above, it's being sold as it will all be our choice and therefore ultimately our responsibility if things go tits up.
So, when the service we get from the police gets worse, schools gets worse and we want to protest about it, the #ing Tories will be able to turn around and say 'sorry Proles, it's your own fault!' all the while still raking it in as MPs: all the money and none of the responsibility.
It's a #ing scam.
Nope its not a scam.
here is the reasoning...
I live in Humberside. My council tax bill went up recently. Now I have a family of four with two young children. The amount of rubbish my family produce is more than the total capacity of the bins provided.
I rang the council to get a new larger bin, I said you can charge me for it, i'm just fed up of driving to the local recycle centre ever two weeks.
What the council said was, sorry we can't provide a larger bin because you have less than five people in the house.
This is the sort of totally stupid policy that make voters mad....
I have no problem paying for a service if that service is needed and rendered... but what has happened under labour is we are being massively taxed for services that is either not delivered or there is some long paper trail to go through to get what has been paid for.
Where is all the money going???
I did more research and found that the council had outsourced the Waste disposal to a company not even local to our town and guess what I find??? one of the prominent council figures just happens to be listed on companies house as a non acting director of this waste disposal company....
See where I am going with this??
Also the Conservatives giving power to the people, allowing them to fight against council tax rises and kicking out corrupt MP's is all about ensuring the councils do thier job as Civil Servants...
After all isn't the very meaning of the words Civil Servant = Servant of the people???
Peace out,
Korg,