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Tory Manifesto... A step in the Right Direction?

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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I have to admit that I liked many of the things on Cameron's manifesto..




'People power' at centre of drive for 'Big Society'
Residents get power to veto council tax rises
Voters can kick out MPs found guilty of wrongdoing
Parents, charities and businesses allowed to run own schools
Directly-elected police chiefs will set budgets and strategy
First-time buyer stamp duty threshold permanently raised to £250k
Immigration capped at around 50,000 a year


Some good stuff.. I particularly like that MP numbers will be reduced. Ministers pay will be cut and big government in general will be trimmed down.....

Your thoughts? Does it enthuse you and make you want to vote Tory? Or does it just sound like a bunch of old tosh??

To me it sounds too socialist to be a Tory manifesto... Tories the new Labour?




posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:14 AM
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I tell ya what mate, these days the tories are the new socialists. New Liebour have ignored the people, destroyed industry, destroyed the economy, raised taxes to the highest they have ever been and they are supposed to represent the working man? * and all this whilst stealing for themselves from the taxpayer in the form of the expense scandalls and wasting taxpayer's money on quangos, pen pushers and non jobs, whilst cutting back on the quality of trained staff in the areas of education and health (and I work for local education in the college).

I also liked Cameron's statement that they would interfere less in everyday life, because lets face it, the nanny state we currently have is driving everyone nuts.

The cap on immigration was a good idea too, but does this exclude skilled workers in areas as needed? That would be a good idea. Also, obviously real life assylum seekers (instead of the fake ones we're currently getting), ya know, the ones who's lives are in danger if they return home. They are always welcome.

At 28, I have had a Liebour gov in power all my voting life and this year I hope to see my vote actually mean something, if only to get this lying, cheating scum out of office!!

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* ETA

[edit on 13-4-2010 by nik1halo]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Farage says what we all say here, that both conservative and labour are just the same, but different management.

So right, nothing will change.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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This may very well be true, but you'd be amazed at the difference a change in management can make.

All I can say is that when Liebour got into power, they inherrited a strong economy and now that they are (hopefully) leaving, look at the carnage they are leaving behind.

Oh, BTW, what was the economy like last time the Tories got into power? Hmm I see a pattern emerging.


CX

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:27 AM
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Personaly i think they are just saying what they know we want to hear, as most politicians do every election. Lets see how much of it actualy happens if they get in.


Any other business or company in the world would be subject to punishment and investigation if they sold you a product or service under the pretense that it did a certain thing, but when you got it did totaly the opposite.

Why are lying political parties any different? Why can't we get them thrown out if they don't follow through with their promises? I mean thats why we vote for them, we like what they promise to do right?

We have had the Lib Dems knocking on our doors around here at the moment and i'm getting really fed up with it. An elderly neighbour of mine has been a bit confused and overwhelmed at the fact that the Lib Dem have been "helping him" reorder lost medals and get him his Veterans badge. He has not lost his medals, and he already has the badge, the politician just wants a photo op to help with the campaign.

As i told my 82 year old neighbour, it's funny how they didn't give a damn about your medals before they wanted your vote eh?


So regarding the topic, whilst it might be nice to hear, i think Cameron is just as bad as the rest.


CX.



[edit on 13/4/10 by CX]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:36 AM
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For once I couldn't agree with you more.

Both Labour and Conservative are a slightly different shade of blue nowadays and our lot will not change much under their government.

I also believe that Cameron will prove at least as indecisive as Brown when big, major decisions have to be made.
When the chips are down and we need strong and clear leadership will Cameron be able to provide it?
I suspect not.

Their manifesto does contain some good policies....so does Labour's....so does the LibDem's.....so does UKIP...so does BNP.....so does SWP etc, etc.

And all of them contain a whole load of nonsense and empty generalisations which, when examined, contain nothing of substance whatsoever.

We need radical electoral and parliamentary reform urgently if we are going to start moving forward in a progressive and positive manner instead of spending all our efforts in maintaining the status quo.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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The world has turned upside down and inside out... Yesterday.. We had Gordo speaking up for the middle class... A LABOUR guy!!... Now we have conservatives speaking for the working man??? WTF???
I found myself agreeing with him... Truth is.. When the economy is in as bad a state as it is, we need money men and business men running the show rather than social engineers like Liebour... We need less governing and more social responsibility with everyone taking responsibility for themselves and their families rather than taking handouts from nanny government.. I also liked the part in the manifesto that says if healthy people on benifits refuse work then they have them taken off them... This will stop families like THIS from taking the piss....



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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The reform that is needed is to get away from the 3 party system to a government of independents who act on the will of constituents rather rather than a party line.. This will stop corporates "buying" legislation...
A total devolution..

But I dont think that the status quo ae ready to give their jobs up yet!



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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To me this just a load of old tosh because these people in thirsting for power will be doing so at all costs yet the drones in the crowds behind these party leaders just smile and nod like brain addled automatons, seemingly forgetful of the past elections where much of the same was promised in much the same way.

It therefore stands to reason that the politicians will promise much that we would find believable without considering that these promises are almost certainly carefully drafted from the fantasies of their orbiting spin doctors. A lie has to be believable and once in power those who have voted will soon notice that they were lied to like every other pre-election promise that is always thrown at us like throwing a bone to a dog. Perhaps we deserve what we get because we never seem to learn that they treat us like smiling idiots that nod at every word and are all too happy to forget the promises of the past and hope for the best in the future.

There is no future with this political game because it is not sincere or built upon integrity and we are not treated with the respect we as vote wielders deserve. They are meant to serve us not spin us round and round until we cannot tell which way is up. However I am not confused as I now assume them all to be as dishonest as a nest of sick vipers that would sell out their own children if it would gain them a vote or three. I often wish I could close my eyes again and just believe in the media spin but those days are long gone and sitting here I think it is not such a great mind liberator to assume the powers that rule are all lying to us because they covet only our vote not our lives.

Castles in the sky, smoke and mirrors and lies built on believable promises that in the end were always going to be a big fat nothing. That is how I expect to see much of the real substance behind these promises after the election is long over. Left and right, it is all the same only the colours change much like a flag and a flag is just a price of flimsy material that was meant to distinguish one side form another.

We are not destined to work together under such a system and that is probably the reason we will not progress in the political sense and is also probably why we be destined to believe the future lies and the spin from these “people” because we think this is the pinnacle of democracy when I actually suspect that we are a democracy in cynical name only.

Only yesterday I saw Cameron talking with great emotion about the death of his son Ivan. In his position I would never have dreamed of talking about the death of a son or daughter as to me such a thing is private territory and would seem terribly disrespectful to their memory and yet because he thinks that the public would be interested he should therefore deliver.

Brown the clown did the same thing and I thought he was a disgrace to all fathers when he did this. I can now also place Cameron into this same category of the disgraceful father who will sink to any low – including a child’s death to gain political capital. It is mind boggling that Cameron would slate the three MP’s in the dock regarding their expenses on live TV and yet earlier he brings up the death of his own son as capital for his own political ends.

Pot + Kettle +black = hypocrite!

As far as I am concerned, they are all snakes turning on each other as and when they see an opportunity to make some political advantage and it is telling how far they will sink if they are willing to use the death of a son or daughter you and I would never dream of using because unlike them we are still human beings.

I will vote SNP as it happens not because I support the SNP like some unthinking drone but because ever since I was given a medical discharge from the army I have wished for my country to break away from England and in that regard the SNP are the closest to my political wants.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend and I class those in Westminster to be my enemy and also to be an enemy of all who are honest and who have any semblance of integrity.

That said, though I assume the SNP to be as corrupt as these muppets down in Westminster I have no choice but to play the game with the cards I was dealt or I am just ranting impotently from the sidelines? If I give my vote towards the effort to break my Scotland away from England by voting for the SNP then even though it is just a single vote, I will sleep better and maybe even smile a little about it because I am Scottish and I was never a willing member of the United Kingdom but to be a member of the society you must play the game. It is refreshing to find there are many others around me who are coming to that mindset and who are no longer so willing to play this filthy game any longer. As a disclaimer am not anti English at all, I am anti establishment and the establishment I despise above all others happens to be in based England.

It is a sad state of affairs that I cannot believe what a politician says at face value and must always try to find hidden meaning to the convoluted and squirming things they say. That says much for where their minds are and how honest they are as people when it comes to how they rationalise integrity and how they relate their political ideals and methods with the voters.

I am sorry for ranting all over your thread but when it comes to politicians I would have them all hanging in a gibbet if it was up to me, they have all but ruined us.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Sorry if I chime in here for a few seconds since i'm not an Englishman...but!

I find it very interesting that all political parties moves generally rightwards since the 1970's.

Take a look at this for an example, see how they all are drifting to the right?

www.politicalcompass.org...

And this is unfortunately the same for ALL political parties in Europe.

Nothing is black or white anymore, even the European Social Democrats and Labour and their politic are now almost located on the political spectrum where conservatives were pre-Thatcher Conservative era.

Crazy isn't it?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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I have to say that I can't disagree with anything you said... I find myself wanting to believe what they are saying but deep down I know that they are talking crap and lies.. Westminster is a den of vipers and thieves.. And seems to have the ability to turn good moral men into expert liars and frauds..

I know from your previous posts that you have had a crap deal from successive governments in terms of health etc.. And as a former soldier myself who has probably chewed some of the same dirt as you, I found that once your service is over that you are left to rot, so understand your vehemence...

I can also sympathize with your wanting an independent Scotland... I would like to have an English parliament much like what you have in Scotland and do not think its fair that Scottish MPs can vote on English issues but the same cannot be done for the Scots... Nothing against the Scottish, just fair is fair..

Good post



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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It's not a "rightward" move as much as an "authoritarian" move.

Eventually they'll all be 100% authoritarian. The people continue accepting it and the governments keep pushing it.

Nothing is going to stop it short of a complete reset.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
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This will stop families like THIS from taking the piss....


This is exactly what's wrong with this country and it's this government that had allowed it to happen!

I've worked hard all my life since I was 16. I put myself through college and Uni with no help from the government whilst taking care of my disabled father and other than a couple of months unemployment when the economy first fell, I have never had anything in return from the state.

Then along comes some lazy ass good for nothing git like this who scrounges MY money to buy a frikkin Merc? I can't afford a frikkin Merc!!!

Makes ya sick!



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Chevalerous

I find it very interesting that all political parties moves generally rightwards since the 1970's.



One of the effects of that decade was to make it abundantly clear that full-blooded socialism simply doesn't work. Even left-wing parties have been gradually recognising the implications of that.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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I'd just like to add that although I know most of you saying that all the parties are as bad as each other are probably right, people's views on Cameron's abilities are just supposition, whereas we KNOW that Brown is a useless lying sod!

We may as well give someone else a chance and hope (probably in vain) that they can do a better job, because frankly, they couldn't do any worse.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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The greatest error we could make is to allow the complete dismantling of our great union.

Yes, we need an English Assembly along the lines of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and yes they should probably have more power.

However, we should keep united Foreign and Defence Policies.
There is more that unites us than which divides us and I think we should concentrate more on that I think.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Eventually they'll all be 100% authoritarian.


Exactly, government wants to run all peoples lifes, and that goes for everywhere.

How anyone can say we are going to the right is beyond me, its farther to the left the whole world is going. Conservatives and republicans are not to the right anymore, if they ever where?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Star and Flag,

I downloaded the Manifesto a 77mb pdf.

if you want to you can get it here...

Full Conservative manifesto (77MB)

I have to say that it is certainly looking like the Conservatives are the best choice for a better England and a brighter future for all of us... except benefit scroungers and lazy dossing layabouts


It's about time that some of the powers that have been taken away from the people be given back!!

A Big Thumbs up for the Conservative Party!!!


Peace Out,

Korg.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Very true.

You can't simply keep giving everyone everything they want and expect the money to last forever.

Let's face it, full scale socialism is the not so distant cousin of communism. They tax the hell out of you and pool it all into one central fund and then attemp to distribute the money to where it's needed. The theory sounds great, but in practice you end up with Animal Farm.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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I have repeatedly advocated the abolishment of the party alignment system, increased use of referendums on local and national issues, the power of MP recall and more regional and national assemblies.

But I fear we are a long way away from any of these and it may well to be too late.



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