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Originally posted by ghostsoldier
First,
What causes Imperialism Corporatism Capitalism Differential Advantage
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The Venus Project - if extrapolated away from its humble motives at this stage - to world wide implementation.
Would have NOTHING to do with Imperialism, because it would be built on co-operation and sharing.
Capitalism creates scarcity.
Scarcity creates tension.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
So come on lets hear it people. Are you willing to go down with ship?
www.usdebtclock.org...
Let me know is I miss any possible ways out...
*New societies.
*Off the grid into obscurity.
*Stick it out with the consumers.
*Move to Costa Rica (if you're loaded).
*Move to an island (if you're a multimillionaire).
*Move to Argentina (not a bad idea!).
*Move to New Hampshire (and hope theres time for their plan to work).
*Watch American Idol and forget about it.
*Buy a (big) house sailboat ($$$).
I've even thought long and hard about constructing artificial islands ("Waterworld"), for a few years now. Choice example:
The problem is building them so that they could handle the open seas.
If there's any other way lets hear it!
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
First,
What causes Imperialism Corporatism Capitalism Differential Advantage
Greed by a few, with ignorance and domestication of the masses.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Capitalism creates scarcity.
Proper capitalism denounces scarcity as if you have access to cheaper resources you have better ability to compete. On the flip side, the connectedness of everything ensures that only those with near-direct access to the needed resources feel this advantage. Otherwise everything spreads out to effect the market values directly.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
So really your only solution for the betterment of society is to build a new one...
How are you going to do that so that it either A) doesn't perpetuate the problems of the world already B) does function on a large-scale to solve the worlds problems ??? Tell me man, I wanna know.
So far you got nothing, no alternative, nothing -
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You seem to think the world will be run by Skynet under a VP style society - haha - there's a massive difference between true AI, and a functional data-management system.
Humans would still have the dominant role.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Domestication is a by product of the consumer-culture that Capitalism produces.
I'm still waiting for a better alternative.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
It was an outcry for ideas, not a blueprint for telling people what to do.
It was an outcry for ideas of how to improve assuming we cant change people, or cant stop the eventual transhumanist societies that are soon to emerge. Don't obfuscate by skimming limited quotes.
As I've written all around, lead by showing there can be a better way than it is. If people could actually observe sovereignty they would actually seek it. ZP doesnt support odeas of sovereignty in any capacity whatsoever, therefore it will fail for that reason alone.
Nope! No solutions to any of our problems are to be found anywhere inside of these three threads. If you're just now seeing in, nothing to be seen in any of these threads worth noting. There is NO solution to ANY of our problems other than ZP!
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Domestication is a by product of the consumer-culture that Capitalism produces.
Oh? Do YOU own any pets? Or are pets not going to be allowed in your utopia?
I've presented many alternatives, as have others. Just realizing the problems of the system tells us where to attack. How hard is this? PJ shows the systems faults, but then instead of fixing those faults the ONLY way is to go into *Pure Communism*
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Outcry for ideas, not a blueprint for telling people what to do you say, hmmmmm I wonder what TVP is..... ???
Assuming we cant change people, what can we change, I know provide an alternative environment to live in...
I think you are alone and failing through your reasoning.
Lead by showing there can be a better way than it is - you say....
hmmmmmm I wonder what TVP is trying to do with its plan for a theme-park?
Fission Mailed if that was an attempt at sarcasm - because you still haven't written an alternative.
Oh? Do YOU own any pets? Or are pets not going to be allowed in your utopia?
Don't disconnect my response from yours, you said all the worlds problems come from greed and domestication of the masses.
Fixing faults in a system that is by design faulty seems self-defeating.
Originally posted by bulletproof_monk
Liek he said, people aren't going to build technology to kill us. It's not like terminator or anything. I think your imagination is going a little too wild there.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
PJ may have went to the empth degree (ie 100 years into a possible future)
The technocracy movement is a social movement which arose in the early 20th century. Technocracy was highly popular in the USA for a brief period in the early 1930s, when it overshadowed many other proposals for dealing with the crisis of the Great Depression. The technocrats proposed replacing politicians with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy.
Originally posted by bulletproof_monk
ok yes, sorry i misunderstood you. And i agree, there will always be greedy people, but i think capitalism makes more people greedy because in capitalism it is survival of the fittest, and people are made to not care about each other. That is why we need to change the system to promote sharing and love for each other. The way capitalism is, it makes people not able to trust each other because they are afraid people around them will take advantage of them for their own personal gains. Capitalism makes people love money more than their neighbors, and that just creates conflicts
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Lemme get this straight - your solution is to do one of the following or a combination.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
So come on lets hear it people. Are you willing to go down with ship?
www.usdebtclock.org...
Let me know is I miss any possible ways out...
...
So really your only solution for the betterment of society is to build a new one...
Originally posted by bulletproof_monk
reply to post by On the Edge
Im sure almost any system of government will become corrupt, because there will always be corrupt people who need to have power and be above everyone else.