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How does The Venus Project compare with Communism?
Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. LINK
Classless society refers to a society in which no one is born into a social class. Such distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network as might arise, in such a society would only be determined by individual experience and achievement. Since these distinctions are difficult to avoid, advocates, such as socialists, communists, etc. of a classless society propose various means to achieve and maintain it and attach varying degress of importance to it as an end in their overall programs/philosophy. en.wikipedia.org...
Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance.
Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society.
Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in society, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution and only possible after a socialist stage develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods and services.
Stateless communism, also known as pure communism, is the post-capitalist stage of society which Karl Marx predicted would inevitably result from the development of the productive forces. Stateless communism is closely related and connected to world communism.
Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.
Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders.
The Soviet state used Gosbank, primarily, as a tool to impose centralized control upon industry in general, using bank balances and transaction histories to monitor the activity of individual concerns and their compliance with Plans and directives. Gosbank did not act as a commercial bank in regard to the profit motive. It acted, theoretically, as an instrument of government policy. Instead of independently and impartially assessing the creditworthiness of the borrower, Gosbank would provide loan funds to favored individuals, groups and industries as directed by the central government. en.wikipedia.org...
As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage would it be necessary to utilize the services of systems analysts, engineers, computer programmers, etc. They will not dictate the policies or have any more advantage than other people. Their job will be to carry out the restoration of the environment to near natural conditions as possible on land and in the sea. They will also economically layout the most efficient way to manage transportation, agriculture, city planning, and production. This too is always in the process of modification and updating to fit the needs of an ever-changing civilization. There are no final frontiers.
Originally posted by seangkt
reply to post by franspeakfree
You mean manipulating the mentally weak? Those movies are made to instill a feeling of paranoia in the people. The government isn't as bad as they claim. They also use something like tax raises, which are bound to happen and can be for better or for worse, and figure out a clever way to make them seem premeditated and part of a big plan to screw everyone over. 2000 years people have been around and the elite are planning on taking over now with the massive population that exists today? I don't think so.
Originally posted by kr0ss
IgnoranceIsntBlisss dont take me wrong, but have you seen these interviews?
As for people 'elected' to orientate machines, they would be rorating individuals, not always the same people.
I personally don't see any better solution than The Venus Project but if there is, or if there is any solid evidence that TVP is BS, I'd be happy to listen to your point of view. Jaque Fresco says the same, by the way.
Originally posted by JosephMatthew
I appreciate the effort to delineate your view, and your fear is evident, however, it seems you're looking for things that are simply not there.
Your claims strain to support the topic, which you disprove in the first paragraph, making comparisons similar to: an apple has seeds & is a fruit, and an orange has seeds & is a fruit, so apples & oranges are the same!! OMG Proof! See! See!
example: your calls to some scary robot "authority" ~ this is pure fiction.
In an RBE, there is no central authority, there are only the answers we've derived through the systematic application of the scientific method using the best tools we have. Our answers evolve as our species' understanding's evolves based again, on the data we generate.
If you consider Zeitgeist & TVP free from your own propaganda programming, you might start to see the strength in the solutions proffered.
only to show that your viewpoint reflects false information.
What is Communism?
A classless society with no exploitation. No state machine used by one section of the population to oppress another section. No need for professional armies or police forces. No use of production for profit or exchange. Society runs in accord with the principle: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
BS definition (ie: commonly believed--but WRONG)
Rule of society by a single party which maintains a monopoly of political power and suppresses all opposition. Control of the economy via centralized bureaucratic planning.
Examples of BS definition: the former Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.