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Did Global Elite Kill Polish President Kaczynski?

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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Did Global Elite Kill Polish President Kaczynski?


www.infowars.com

Damian Thompson, writing for the Daily Telegraph, says there will be plenty of conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace in response to the death of Polish president Lech Kaczynski and a large number of Polish VIPs in a plane crash last week.

“One of the nastier consequences of international disasters is that conspiracy theorists rush to judgment – and I do mean rush,” writes Thompson. “The fact that the president and so many of the Polish elite were on a visit to Russia will feature prominently in the fantastic stories being cooked up in cyberspace right now. And I can say wit
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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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I want your input. before you comment however. I am tired of dealing with ppl who are new to ATS or ppl who pay no regard to the rules. If you leave a comment that says I am crazy (or anyone) and do not state WHY you feel that way i will report you. And " your crazy because this is all Conspiracy BS" is not a reason or an option is is a predisposition. I do want to hear from ppl who think this is BS however. PLEASE just tell me why you think this is all BS.

Personally my point of view of this all is that it is fishy. They pilot was told NOT to land their and did. But he plane was not the best. So I am not sure until i look at everything.

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by Vinveezy
Personally my point of view of this all is that it is fishy. They pilot was told NOT to land their and did. But he plane was not the best. So I am not sure until i look at everything.

The pilot was told not to land, then he tried a first approach: then he was told once again not to land and attempted a second approach etcetera: the plane crashed at the fourth approach, while the plane was banking in a way that wouldn't have allowed it to land anyway. The only question is WHO told the pilot to land at every cost, but really, if FSB would like to kill the polish elite would choose a different way and, on top of that, would execute them outside of Russia.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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The timing is suspicious. Putin's behavior in the aftermath was suspicious. I'm absolutely open to the idea of assassination.

That said, it would take more than suspiciously poor judgment on the part of the pilot to be convincing.

If you're only asking for initial opinions, I would say that anything that moves us from the realm of "suspicious timing" into "Aha! There's a clear motive," would be enough for me, under the circumstances. I'm looking into this as well.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:56 AM
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The biggest question on my mind, is WHY a pilot carrying a president and other important people, would choose to IGNORE orders to keep them safe.

Does that make ANY sense?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by Looking_Glass
The biggest question on my mind, is WHY a pilot carrying a president and other important people, would choose to IGNORE orders to keep them safe.

Does that make ANY sense?


It does NOT make any sense, of course: unless the command to land came straight from the president's mouth (which is the most likely scenario).
The alternative to landing there, would have been to fly to an airport 250 km far away from Smolensk. Maybe, for some reason, they had to avoid any alternative landing site, but it's hard to say. What a tragedy, it's unbelievable



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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It's a clear cut & dried assassination.

How could believe anything else?

Do you really think that they are going to tell the truth on this or anything?

I believe Obama's disappearance and ditching the press, something that is never done, gave him two hours to be awoken early & consult with his bosses.

It's a 'warning shot across the bow' for all world leaders. Play ball with elites plans or have an 'accident'.

What world leader would willingly sacrifice his power, position & LIFE for his own country?

They flee their respective countries when they are in trouble with anyone.

Drink the Fruity Flavored Kool Aid... All is well, jet liners slam into the ground in heavy fog all the time.

You know the rest of the story.

edit to add:


China Agrees To Work With U.S. On Iran Sanctions




The last time China was firmly on our side was immediately AFTER 09/11/2001 ; they joined the elite trading club the very next day I believe...

Just my opinion... Does the theory affect your daily life?

· Do you slave or shop Walmart?

· Got friends or family in the military with a one way to Iran?

· Ever buy gasoline?

· Do you think all the sable rattling of the elites via MSM about Iran is moot?

· Have you ever seen such BIG Smiley Smiles from either of these fuggers?

· Mean anything?



[edit on 4·13·10 by DrMattMaddix]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by Looking_Glass
The biggest question on my mind, is WHY a pilot carrying a president and other important people, would choose to IGNORE orders to keep them safe.

Does that make ANY sense?




You have a solid point here.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:51 AM
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Heh I just love when people that have no idea about something , try and interpret facts ..

To answer the question why a pilot would try and land 4 times even against the wishes of the control tower you would have to know some background information about President Lech Kaczynski.

Let me help You out why it happened. Its quiet simple , the pilot was ordered
by the President to land the plane , against the instructions of the tower .

The President did not want to be late for the 70 anniversary of the Katyń murders. If they had landed in Minsk that would men another 200km of driving and being several hours late, and that would mean a big disgrace for our president (being late for one of the most important happenings in Your presidency)

This is not the first time this President ordered a pilot to do something against instructions , if somebody is interested google around .

So no this was not a plot by Russia to kill our president ,they would have not gained anything off it anyway since the incoming elections this year would have been the end of Lech Kaczynski . This was a tragic accident and that is all.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by Thill]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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Let me help You out why it happened. Its quiet simple , the pilot was ordered by the President to land the plane , against the instructions of the tower


No pilot should EVER be overruled by a passenger or ATC regarding air safety. I don't care how important the passenger is. When you are on a plane, the pilot is KING.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by Mogget

Let me help You out why it happened. Its quiet simple , the pilot was ordered by the President to land the plane , against the instructions of the tower


No pilot should EVER be overruled by a passenger or ATC regarding air safety. I don't care how important the passenger is. When you are on a plane, the pilot is KING.


Well not this time. Of course he could deny the order (as did another pilot some time ago ) but then his career would have been destroyed by the President (actually those were the exact words Mr. President used last time to the other pilot "I will destroy you ") but he did not , he choose to follow it and they all payed for it.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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No its NOT a clear cut assassination!

That said, assassination is far from ruled out.

I heard that the president had a history of asking pilots to do risky things.
So far there is no sign of mechanical failure. The Russians are being
very open about the investigation.

What I would like to hear is did he have policies or ideals that would put
him at odds with the Global Elite? Or did he advocate reforms or freedoms
that would endanger him? Was he working to limit Corporate and Institutional
abuses?

If not, we should assume it was an unfortunate accident.

We also have to look at it from Russia's point of view. If they were going
to assassinate him, they wouldn't do it on Russian soil.

ATS is the place where ideas like this should be discussed. I for one, want
the truth. I would like this site to be feared for the truth not "loved" for
its disinformation and marginalization.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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People are people.

Granted it takes a special kind of bonehead to want to virtually abandon their family as nothing more than bling for a power position like a 'head of state.'

When they do, though, they are, as we all know, beholden to their bosses just as us peeon's. AND as we all know, they don't answer to us, the peeon's.

Not yet anyhow.

Yes, I've read there's plenty of reasons to rid the Earth of an uncooperative leader like him. I could be wrong, but my opinion is based on what I had read; that he was very anti EU, anti soviet and wanted little, if anything to do with international financial woes. He offered to loan IMF money to help other nations that had negative growth while Poland enjoyed moderate growth through this global financial fall out.

Anyhow, I offered up some obvious if not wholly suspicious and unverifiable claims.

Yet, all based on those that have a track record of deception, lies and probably, what it takes to rule a country.

Again, I stress that Presidential Jet Liners don't just slam into the ground in heavy fog.

Let's see just how fond of the former Polish President other EU leaders and Soviets are at his memorial. Who cares about Obama he has a (proven) non exist soccer game to attend. Poor bowing woose bag. Grrr embarrassing.

That will be a true barometer.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:48 AM
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Plenty of room for conspiracy theorists.
Many beleive the Russians had no trouble removing Kennedy after the Cuban missile crisis so....

en.wikipedia.org...

www.boston.com...



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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It's hard not to think there is some kind of conspiracy. The whole event seems almost tailor made for Conspiracy Theorists. Many quality questions have been raised by members in this thread and others about the event. The circumstances surrounding what took place are highly suspicious to say the least!

I agree that it is important to establish the who and how in order to discover the truth, but perhaps more significant at this present time is why. Why did this plain crash occur and what was the motivation behind it?

[edit on 13/4/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Well, it's funny they deciden to hold a big NATO excercise over northern Europe that weekend, on my page is a pic of at least 7 F16's (trails only, i was too late to catch the planes) flying in group combat formation over Holland on Friday last. (Sorry it's not on a site yet.)
They were flying the whole weekend.
Coincidence?



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