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Why Does Obama Bow Like a Weakling?

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Pointless pointless pointless thread.

Obama is reversing, well, trying to reverse YEARS of America thinking it is the best thing on the planet, when it is anything but. Your previous foreign policy was a complete an utter disaster.

Arrogance wins you no friends - and what with All sorts of terrorist groups trying to acquire nuclear - not "new-killer" (as they are often referred to!) - weapons, America NEEDS friends right now.

So in short - let him get on with his job.


Yeah, why can't Obama shake their hands and squeeeeeeze and crush the hands of them tiny slopes. Show 'em that the USA is #1 and leads the world in pissing contests. Get this Socialisticist Kenyan out!
Don't these gooks know we saved their asses in WWII and they'd still be living under Stalin's Nazis if it wasn't for us?


Maybe we SHOULD have let stalin at'em! They wouldnt have as much of a population issue, would they?




posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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He's an underexperienced lightweight on the international stage and he knows the other leaders feel the same way. He thinks showing this level of weakness wiill ingraciate himself to them. He is dead wrong.

They will percieve this as weakness and take measures to exploit this weakness for their gain. Much in the same way a fighter will take advantage of a cut above the eye.

Besides Obama has said ( I summarize ) he wants to take America down a few pegs anyway. He just doesnt think we should be so powerful.

Maybe he wants to take his socialism worldwide and spread the power around.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
He's an underexperienced lightweight on the international stage and he knows the other leaders feel the same way. He thinks showing this level of weakness wiill ingraciate himself to them. He is dead wrong.

They will percieve this as weakness and take measures to exploit this weakness for their gain. Much in the same way a fighter will take advantage of a cut above the eye.

Besides Obama has said ( I summarize ) he wants to take America down a few pegs anyway. He just doesnt think we should be so powerful.

Maybe he wants to take his socialism worldwide and spread the power around.



He is simply humble but everyone knows how strong America is, its like Goku (dragonbal Z) he was always nice and humble but everyone knew how strong he was.

No body thinks less of America because of this gesture, The Russian president also likes Obama alot, so clearly this new aproach is working.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Pointless pointless pointless thread.

Obama is reversing, well, trying to reverse YEARS of America thinking it is the best thing on the planet, when it is anything but. Your previous foreign policy was a complete an utter disaster.

Arrogance wins you no friends - and what with All sorts of terrorist groups trying to acquire nuclear - not "new-killer" (as they are often referred to!) - weapons, America NEEDS friends right now.

So in short - let him get on with his job.


Yeah, why can't Obama shake their hands and squeeeeeeze and crush the hands of them tiny slopes. Show 'em that the USA is #1 and leads the world in pissing contests. Get this Socialisticist Kenyan out!
Don't these gooks know we saved their asses in WWII and they'd still be living under Stalin's Nazis if it wasn't for us?


Evertything in that reply is what is wrong with America/US foreign policy: Calling the Chinese "gooks", implying to be either Kenyan or Socialist is wrong. Everything you just said - and I mean EVERYTHING.

Well done. Way to go...........



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by colloredbrothers

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
He's an underexperienced lightweight on the international stage and he knows the other leaders feel the same way. He thinks showing this level of weakness wiill ingraciate himself to them. He is dead wrong.

They will percieve this as weakness and take measures to exploit this weakness for their gain. Much in the same way a fighter will take advantage of a cut above the eye.

Besides Obama has said ( I summarize ) he wants to take America down a few pegs anyway. He just doesnt think we should be so powerful.

Maybe he wants to take his socialism worldwide and spread the power around.



He is simply humble but everyone knows how strong America is, its like Goku (dragonbal Z) he was always nice and humble but everyone knew how strong he was.

No body thinks less of America because of this gesture, The Russian president also likes Obama alot, so clearly this new aproach is working.


Goku? Really? What a funky parallel to draw.

Why wouldnt the Russian president like him? They have a lot in common. Most notably the fact they are a puppet at the head of the state. I wonder who's on the other end of Obama's Blackberry.......Hmmmm....

Soros?
Stern?
Ayers?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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I think Obama is OK



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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I lived in Asia for over ten years, practiced martial arts for over twenty three years, and have been an instructor now for over thirteen.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of times that I've bowed - to my fellow practitioners, opponents, students, and to people in my daily life in Japan and China - comes to over a million.

Not once when bowing did I feel that I was showing any "weakness", or that I was demeaning myself in any way.

I walk into a business meeting during the day now in the U.S. and I shake hands. I walk into a dojo after work and I bow.

Respect, plain and simple.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:08 AM
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How does such a stupid thread get traction?

In light of the hoax threads attacking Obama, could it be he is a real threat to TPTB? Could it be that a coordinated campaign is under way to undermine the pres because he is a threat to expose Israel and the plans to nuke Iran?

When David Wilcock said in February that obama was being attacked by the illuminatti, I didn't believe it. I thought Wilcock finally went too far. Since then, I am seeing a pattern.

The same thing is happening to french prez Sarcosi. Before you believe anything, consider the possibility you could be a victim of propaganda.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


What do you want him to do ??? walk up to the Chinese President and smack him in the face ???

Humbleness is a virtue, and bowing a chinese traditional greeting.

If you want to hate on Obama at least find something better than this. Whats next, a thread about Obama's pimp limp.
Agreed, I don't care much for Obama but this just seems ridiculous.

He's just bowing, people. Shows weakness? Yeah, so China decided to take initiative on the destruction of America because our president bowed, showing weakness and is obviously the best time to strike....



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Evertything in that reply is what is wrong with America/US foreign policy: Calling the Chinese "gooks", implying to be either Kenyan or Socialist is wrong. Everything you just said - and I mean EVERYTHING.

Well done. Way to go...........


Yes, I know. Try reading my post again.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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Good for you but you are simply keeping the norms of martial arts customs. Bowing is part of that. Bowing is part of life in China, Japan and Korea. That in itself is not any kind of problem for a westerner. CONTEXT and EXTENT can be problems.

As in Obama's case. He is not at a dojo or any other martial arts place. He is supposed to represent what is whether other countries like it or not the most powerful, influential nation on earth. He does his office a disservice and looks an embarrassment when he does all this bowing out of context and in the wrong way.

Some posters here are as lightweight as Obama and his ill educated advisers. It is NOT what you or he or his advisers or martial arts practitioners think that is important - it is what the authorities and powers that be in other nations think of acts of obesiance to them by the US President.

Chinese, Japanese and other east Asian countries like Korea do not respect displays of apparent weakness by the American President. Believe me - if a westerner thinks they are showing respect that is nothing really to do with it. It is what the gestures mean in the broader cultural context of the people you are supposedly showing respect to.

In Obama's case, he is putting himself in the subservient position in the power structure when he does this. By Chinese/Japanese/Korean customs and in their public life he should not do this if he wants to be taken seriously as expressing his dignity and power.

As for Putin supposedly liking Obama - yeah, I'm sure he loves seeing an American President looking so weak and downright flakey in his lack of judgement about how to present himself on the world stage. Putin is the leader who has all sorts of connections to the worst people in Russia including nationalistic extremists and corrupt oligarchs.

Journalists are not safe in Putin's Russia - real ones that investigate real news that is. The bodycount of murdered journalists over the past three years or so and Putin's Government's indifference to this says what we need to know about him and the kind of society he wants in Russia.

Those of you praising Putin's apparent liking for Obama don't realise how uncomplimentary that is. They do share a desire to censor information that is unflattering to them and exposes things they would rather hide away.

Putin also would be happy that there is a US President who thinks that by appeasing him there can be any kind of solution to Russia's growing hankering for the totalitarian past. Then again, Obama did write an article when he was younger (very badly written with basic grammatical mistakes) whining about how nuclear weapons could reach the Soviet Union.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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This isnt just directed towards you, but since you are the most recent poster I am responding to your's directly. IT is what you do. Whether you love Obama or you hate him, the bow is something you do in Asia. Is he overkilling it, hell yea, but degree of excess aside, it would otherwise be a disingenuous move, one that would show utter disrespect and in the East respect is everything. As it were, Chinese and japanese leaders are like 3 feet tall anyway, how else is he going to shake their hand



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by zarp3333
How does such a stupid thread get traction?

In light of the hoax threads attacking Obama, could it be he is a real threat to TPTB? Could it be that a coordinated campaign is under way to undermine the pres because he is a threat to expose Israel and the plans to nuke Iran?

When David Wilcock said in February that obama was being attacked by the illuminatti, I didn't believe it. I thought Wilcock finally went too far. Since then, I am seeing a pattern.

The same thing is happening to french prez Sarcosi. Before you believe anything, consider the possibility you could be a victim of propaganda.


You really need to get real. Many of us who don't like Obama express this clearly and rationally.

Those who don't express it clearly and rationally and have certain agendas are not so different from their Obama groupie equivalents who keep trying to smear everybody who doesn't trust Obama or his policies as right wing racist extremists.


We can distinguish between any issues re Israel and what we know is going on home and abroad re our new President's insistence on being arrogant and undemocratic although he campaigned on a platform of a new era of 'transparency' in our country yet flakily subservient in some ways when trotting around the world.

As for Israel - if I was a member of Netanyahu's govt I wouldn't trust somebody who was born a Muslim yet insists publicly he is not one. Memo again to those who don't know the basics of Islam - you can never cease being a Muslim. You are an apostate if you renounce it for real. Obama was born to a Muslim father and his Indonesian stepfather registered his stepson as a Muslim.

Obama went to Christian church for votes. Simple fact. You cannot be a member of any Christian church without baptism. So far we know Obama isn't baptised. He is a Muslim.

Aside from that fact about his religion, and why such a basic lie would not help his credibility with the Israelis, you're trivialising the whole Israel-Iran problem. I am as Jewish as the Leaning Tower of Pisa - I don't have an axe to grind on Jewish issues. But for Obama supporters like yourself to condense this matter into some kind of Israel progaganda re Iran shows ignorance of the geopolitical reality.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Is Bush bowing before the Pope a problem, too? Just curious.

How about Nixon?

Or Eisenhower?.

More Eisenhower

Eisenhower again!

and one last time



[edit on 4/13/2010 by LifeInDeath]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:39 AM
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I will offer my two cents from someone who isn't North American and as thus, has no reason to go overboard to defend or attack Obama.

First, bowing is not just a sign of respect. You have to stop looking at it as a westerner and look at it as an asian. I have lived in Japan and their culture is waaaaaaaay older than ours. They do take a lot of things quite seriously around there, like Honor. Honor is still a part of their society.

When you study the japanese language, you learn there is a proper way to talk with people depending on the hierarchy of the people involved in the conversation.

For example, in an informal conversation with friends, you can say "Boku wa Henrique desu". which translates to "I'm Henrique". In a formal conversation, you would use "Watashi wa Henrique desu." Watashi wa instead of Boku wa. And there is Watakushi wa, which was used by samurais and it is rarely used today. I once saw someone using it, a japanese teacher who was decendant from a samurai family.

So, bowing is not just a sign of respect. You are confusing respect between friends to respect for hierarchy. When Obama bowed TOO MUCH for the japanese emperor, he did commit a mistake. You can't just go all over the world, interact with many different cultures and just do whatever you want, just because you mean well. If that was the cause, we wouldn't need diplomats.

That said, I don't think Obama messing up on those greetings effects the way he runs the country or even the sucess of his international relations with other political powers. But it does look bad. He IS representing the whole country and the POTUS should have someone by his side advising him properly on something so basic as greeting other people.

As for the recent incident, where he received Hu Jintao in US and bowed to him and Hu Jintao didnt bow back, I think Hu Jintao was advised to just shake hands, because that's how we do it here in the west. So, to me, Hu Jintao was not disrespecting Obama, but showing respect by greeting in the way westerners do, which is by shaking hand.

Obama bowing to him could be seen as a sign of weakness if he bowed too much. Bowing too much to someone will always be a sign of weakness in eastern culture. Always. They know he is the POTUS, they know his country is powerful, but at that moment, if he bowed to much, that gesture was in itself a sign of weakness. I can see how people see that. I mean, you are the host. Greet him with a firm handshake and show him his is now in your country.

That aside, it does seen like Obama had a successful meeting with the chinese, so that's what's most important.

Edit: Just forgot to add that as a citizen, we will always want to be well represented by our president and sometimes we do nitpick with this or that. It's just natural. It does seem, though, that the way the us citizens ar addressing this issue is with 100% defensive posture or 100% offensive posture. Nobody is able to see things with a compromise, because it's, well, politics. I understand. Same thing happens here in brazil when people are talking about Lula.

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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Henrique - good to hear from a poster who knows what they're talking about for the most. I do disagree with your repeating the East Asian myth about 'older cultures', 'way older' than European cultures etc.

They are not way older - they have kept their homeogenity. That is the issue. East Asians often use the stereotype of being 'older' to justify a lot of elements that need to change. They have retained practises while other cultures discarded some old practises.

A bit like how 'advanced' Japan supposedly was compared to the west before the Europeans went there. Gothic stained glass windows and cathedrals compared to wooden buildings anybody? etc etc



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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matrix, this kid that we have in the office called Obama, has been on his knees from his infant days of Soros and on. So ofcourse if you have been guilded to be a serf in the presence of nobles what else would you do? yes you have it right, bow,bow, and bow some more. Thus the reason this man kisses the Saudi kings hand, so on and so forth. kinda sickening isn't it.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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Most of us know that Cheney, Bush, Rumsfield, and Reagan all bowed to Japanese and Chinese leader.

The recent increase in America's security can be a result of Obama being able to use his brain when dealing with other countries.

During the Bush years we became weak and unable to properly defend America.

for those who are upset over Obama bowing to a Chinese leader, how do you explain the strong national defense that Obama has created.

Also you need to read history and learn other cultures. We know that there is nothing wrong with bowing to another leader. That is a fact.

Obama has demonstrated a stronger national defense than the weak Bush nightmare that everyone got tired of.

I am glad we have a strong president in Obama and not a drunken frat boy like Bush

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Matrix Rising

Why Does Obama Bow Like a Weakling?




Why Does The O.P. Cry Like A Weakling?

Seriously, why are you complaining? Are you complaining because of a friendly body gesture?

Is not the ultimate goal to be peaceful and friendly? Are you against that, or do you just dislike the President?

It seems your dislike for the President is interfering with the ultimate goal, and you might not be able to see that.

You know what I think shows weakness?

: Not bowing.
: Worrying about bowing or how someone bows.
: Giving a bow an imaginary high value.

...it's all opinion.

I think NOT bowing is a sign of weakness because it shows you are mentally effected by something so trivial. That is a weakness...

Bowing to be respectful, cultural, and or to show gratitude is actually a sign of the correct type of strength; moral strength, mental strength. Especially if it is towards a non-friendly entity.

Because of how religious the gesture of bowing is to some people I see how my above words could be appalling to them. I got three words for that; Get over it.




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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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Probably some sort of deal.

Obama's bowing to show his gratitude that China (and Japan) have bailed the US with the billions in loans that they have given us. It IS a sign of weakness. If the US had a strong economy and didn't owe these people a dime, a handshake would suffice. At the present we are NOT equal economically speaking. China holds more cards than we do.



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