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Chinese submarines, destroyers spotted in high seas near Okinawa+

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 08:52 PM

Chinese submarines, destroyers spotted in high seas near Okinawa+

TOKYO, April 13 (AP) - (Kyodo)—Two Chinese submarines and seven or eight destroyers were spotted by Japanese authorities on Saturday in the high seas between the main island of Okinawa and Miyako Island in the southernmost prefecture, Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa said Tuesday.
The defense chief said the Chinese submarines and destroyers were navigating southward, adding that Tokyo has never before confirmed such a large number of Chinese vessels near Japan.

"We will investigate whether (China) has any intention against our nation" by dispatching the vessels, Kitazawa said.
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 08:52 PM
And so it begins eh? After Russia started flexing their muscles in the last two months over several theaters, now it's China finally making it's move...

They know the US is about to fall and that Europe is in trouble economically. They are starting to move. And it will only accelerate and they will go further when the US finally collapse under the ill advised economic policies of the congress and president of the last few administration.

Maybe the elite is setting the stage up for world war 3, who knows.

Or maybe it's linked to that : Obama bowing to the chinese
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Vitchilo]

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 09:48 PM
China looking for revenge against Japan for WW2 maybe?

This will test the US nuclear-umbrella over this region.

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:15 PM
Update :

The Joint Staff Office of the Self-Defense Forces later said that Chinese submarines were seen on the sea surface near Japan for the first time and that Beijing had not notified Tokyo of the fleet navigation in the East China Sea toward the Pacific Ocean.

Two MSDF destroyers Choukai and Suzunami spotted the fleet of Chinese combatant craft in the sea near the Nansei Islands about 140 kilometers west-southwest of the Okinawa main island around 8 p.m. Saturday. Those Chinese vessels conducted refueling on the sea on Sunday, according to the office.

Flight training of helicopters aboard some of the Chinese destroyers was conducted between last Wednesday and Friday in the East China Sea and one of the choppers flew some 90 meters away from the MSDF destroyer Suzunami, the office said.

Japan has made an inquiry to China through diplomatic channels about the submarine navigation and lodged a protest over the helicopter's proximate flight, which it deems dangerous, according to the office.

Thing is they did not notice Japan...

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:38 AM
I don't know a whole lot about naval maneuverer's, but if one was to attack somebody i would think they would require a larger presence then the ships listed above, right? What are they going to do? Attack Japan with 2 subs and eight ships?

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:41 AM
Maybe there creating a mobile missile shield.....

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:51 AM
China has a pretty small Navy, definitely a show of arms...but in the big scheme of things, they are pretty small arms.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:59 AM
reply to post by yellowcard

Chinese Naval Forces

Force Size
■Strength: 255,000

Surface Force
■Destroyer: 26
■Frigate: 49
■Large landing Ship: 27
■Medium landing Ship: 31
■Fast attack craft: 200+

Submarine Force
■SSBN: 3
■SSN: 5~7
■SSK: 56

Naval Aviation
■Manpower: 26,000
■Aircraft: 400~500

Marine Corps
■Manpower: 10,000

Major Naval Bases
■Shanghai (Wusong)

Traditionally, China was regarded as largely a land power with only very limited naval forces. During the Cold War-era, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) was mainly tasked with the defence of China’s coast against amphibious assaults from the U.S. or Soviet Union. Since the late 1980s, China has been seeking to develop a ‘blue water’ navy force capable of operating in the regions beyond its offshore waters. The modernisation of the PLAN over the past decade has been driven by two factors, the possibility of a military conflict with Taiwan over the island’s declaration of independence, and more recently, the growing needs to protect China’s sea lines of communications (SLOC) in order to secure the country’s global network of energy resources and trading activities.

The 225,000-man PLAN is organised into three fleets: North Sea, East Sea, and South Sea Fleets. Each fleet is composed of surface forces, submarine forces, naval aviation, and coastal defence forces. The South Sea Fleet also has two marine brigades, totalling some 10,000 men. In time of crisis, the PLAN can be supported by China’s merchant and fishing ship fleets. Main naval bases include Lushun, Huludao, Qingdao, Shanghai, Zhoushan, Wenzhou, Xiamen, Guangzhou, Zhanjiang, and Yulin.

China operates the largest submarine force among Asian countries, consisting of 8~10 nuclear-powered submarines and 50~60 diesel-electric submarines. The second-generation Type 093/Shang Class nuclear-powered attack submarine and Type 094/Jin Class nuclear-powered missile submarine have already entered service. Older Type 033/Romeo Class and Type 035/Ming Class diesel-electric submarines, which were based on the 1950s-era Soviet technology, are being gradually replaced by the newer indigenous Type 039/Song class and Russian-built Kilo Class. The even newer Yuan Class has also entered batch production.

Since 1990, the PLAN has received a total of 13 destroyers in six classes, as well as 20 brigades in four classes. Most of the Chinese-built surface combatants are equipped with the Chinese indigenous YJ-83 anti-ship cruise-missile (ASCM). Early vessels were armed with the HHQ-7 short-range air-defence missile system, while later variants are fitted with more capable medium- to long-range air-defence missile systems and vertical-launch system (VLS) modules. To complement these vessels, the PLAN is introducing the modernised Type 022/Houbei Class low-visibility missile boat to replace the ageing Houku class. Additionally, China is said to be considering building one or more aircraft carriers to further enhance its long-range power projection capability.

The amphibious warfare fleet of the PLAN has been expanding slowing since the early 1990s, with the introduction of 19 Type 072-II/Yuting and Type 072-III/Yuting-II class tank landing ships, as well as a Type 071 landing platform dock (LPD), which features a large helicopter flight deck and a floodable docking area for up to four aircraft cushion landing crafts. It was estimated that the current amphibious fleet of the PLAN is capable of transporting an army division, including its personnel and heavy equipment, to cross the Taiwan Strait. However, additional transport capacities can be achieved by employing container ships and roll-on/roll-off ships of the merchant fleet.

The PLAN has been following a three-step strategy in its modernisation process. In the first step, it aimed to develop a relatively modernised naval force that can operate within the first island chain, a series of islands that stretch from Japan to the north, to Taiwan, and Philippines to the south. In the second step, the PLAN aims to develop a regional naval force that can operate beyond the first island chain to reach the second island chain, which includes Guam, Indonesia, and Australia. In the third-stage, the PLAN will develop a global naval force by the mid twenty-first century.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:59 AM
Sounds like they're doing Freedom of Navigation operations. It is international waters. They're becoming more and more of a blue water Navy. The JNSDF was there keeping an eye on things.

We do Freedom of Navigation operations through the Taiwan Strait all the time.

Not that big of deal, to me at least.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:05 AM
For now it is all about flexing muscles. As for a small navy force i would disagree: "China operates the largest submarine force among Asian countries, consisting of 8~10 nuclear-powered submarines and 50~60 diesel-electric submarines." Have a nice day!


posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:06 AM
Perhaps China is moving in support of Turkey....

I had a look into it... relations were strained in the middle of last year over something not related to anything here. Relations have since made a miraculous revival.
Turkish-Chinese Relations

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:14 AM
reply to post by spearhead

That Gaza flotilla is a publicity stunt by Insani Yardim Vakfi, a Turkish humanitarian NGO.

An NGO is a Non Governmental Organization. They are human rights activists. Their site

We all know how much China loves human rights activists.

[edit on 13/4/10 by MikeboydUS]

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:35 AM

Originally posted by spearhead
reply to post by yellowcard

Chinese Naval Forces

That's nice, this is just a list of those still in service, the Navy (like the Russian) used to be much much larger

October 13, 1775[1]–Present
Country United States of America
Branch Navy
Type Navy
Size 332,000 personnel
284 ships
3,700 aircraft
11 Aircraft Carriers
10 Amphibious assault ships
9 Amphibious transport docks
12 dock landing ship
22 Cruisers
55 Destroyers
30 frigates
71 Submarines

The Chinese Navy has grown by leaps and bounds, but it's still relatively small, as I said. They have no aircraft carriers in service currently, which is the quintessential back bone of modern naval forces. I'm not saying they are small, but...small relative to others. Russia's navy has shrank drastically, but it's Navy is still larger than China's (PRC and PLA). It will be a force to reckon with in the future...but not at the moment.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by yellowcard]

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:07 PM
It would be a bad idea for the Chinese Navy to tangle with the JMSDF. I was stationed in Japan for 4 years, their surface fleet minus Carriers are top notch and very well trained. Japan also has some pretty nice diesel electric subs.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Pampamz
For now it is all about flexing muscles. As for a small navy force i would disagree: "China operates the largest submarine force among Asian countries, consisting of 8~10 nuclear-powered submarines and 50~60 diesel-electric submarines." Have a nice day!

I doubt half of those SSKs are actually sea-worthy. The SSN/SSBNs they operate are decades behind state of the art. The submerged endurance record for a Chinese nuclear submarine is only a few weeks. They constantly break, Chinese submarines have extremely poor material condition/operational readiness. IMO, two CBGs and a squadron of SSNs could decimate the entire Chinese Fleet.

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