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Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by skunknuts
I must ask the question, but you are free not to answer. What would make you take a stand? To place your own life at risk? To face that which you may only survive by your own doing, a bit of good fortune and faith in those around you to do their best to persevere?
Originally posted by AlreadyGone
reply to post by skunknuts
I never encouraged violence... I merely gave my opinion as to how far apart we have come and the possible consequences of polarization. I really don't want a war/conflict/uprising any more than the average person. And yes, these groups aren't as big as some say....
However, John Brown had less than 30 people... The Border Wars of Kansas-Missouri of 1858-59-60 consisted of small irregular but aggressive groups... many small town southern militias consisted of 20-100 men...
Originally posted by skunknuts
Originally posted by hawkiye
Well it sounds good but legislators are all talk and no action. This could be just another means to make people feel like they are doing something but in reality render them benign. If they are serious all they need to do is pass a bill reinforcing the county Sheriffs authority to arrest Feds violating the constitution and ordering them to do so!
Can you please show me where in the almighty constitution there is an authority of the good ol' boy sheriff to arrests feds. of which to reinforce?? Didn't they try that when the big bad feds. had to forcefully integrate the schools?? You people hate this country.
"Not only do the enactments of the early Congresses, as far as we are aware, contain no evidence of an assumption that the Federal Government may command the States' executive power in the absence of a particularized constitutional authorization, they contain some indication of precisely the opposite assumption."
"We warned that "this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations," id., at 761-762."
"And perhaps most important in the decision Scalia even goes so far as to detail who is responsible to keep the federal government in their proper place, if or when they
decide to go beyond their allotted authority. In doing so he quotes James Madison, considered to be the father of our Constitution, “The local or municipal authorities form distinct and independent portions of the supremacy, no more subject, within their respective spheres, to the general authority [federal government] than the general authority is subject to them, within its own sphere.” (The Federalist # 39)
Thus, the federal government has no more authority to compel the states or the counties to do anything, no more so than the Prime Minister of Canada has. "
Here are my plans. (Note: I am making up the titles)
Rule #1 America First: For the people (Of the USA) By the people (Of the USA) Don't forget where your allegiance lies (elected officials).
Rule #2 ALL PRODUCTION / MANUFACTURING of materials used for these Government Stimulus / Public works projects which are being paid for (eventually) by the U.S. taxpayer money must be manufactured IN the United States of America. (Otherwise everything would be outsourced to China)
Step One: Federal Mortgage Refinance Act of 2010
Any private citizen's primary home (primary residence only) mortgage can be refinanced by the Fed or Government at 0.5% with a flat closing cost of $2,000.00 which can be added to the loan / payoff amount. ($500.00 goes to Federal, $700.00 goes to State, $500.00 goes to city or county, $300.00 goes to the institutions processing the paperwork.) No assessments, simple change in financing on whatever you currently owe. Banks receive a flood of money in "pay-offs" as each mortgage is refinanced through the Fed / Govt or fannie
Mortgage holders will save almost 50% of their current mortgage payments and THIS will highly boost spending and the economy. (Thus create jobs as spending dramatically increases and provide a host of short term jobs for the mortgage brokers / reps. States and Local revenues will receive the necessary influx of revenues to get past this rough times.
Step Two: Energy Independence Act of 2010
Federal Money is used to build a HUGE facility in New Mexico to grow Algae oil for domestic liquid fuel consumption. Closed system algae bio-reactors can produce 20,000 to 100,000 gallons per acre per year (for reference corn provides 18 gallons an acre per year, over a 1,000 times less fuel).
This would be a huge public works project requiring pipelines from the ocean needed to reach New Mexico for water. Glass can be made at location (sand) and glass vertical tube closed system bio-reactors constructed to include processing and refining facilities. Any extra water can easily be put through solar distillation and piped to your city of choice as clean water. Rail lines, barracks, roads, support, etc would also be required and the whole thing could be managed by the military with 6 month assignments of active duty personal to oversee the operation and civilian workers bused in and rotated (similar to working on oil platforms currently). Through constant expansion, 1/10 of the state of New Mexico would be utilized to harvest and process the product (carbon neutral liquid fuel).
Rules would have to be in place that the "product" is domestic use ONLY and would not be available to paper traders to speculate on price, etc. Once this is up and running as a NON-PROFIT entity, the cost of the product would be production cost + X% with the X% going to Federal Revenue. Once domestic needs are met, any excess would be sold on the open market.
Garbage Plasma facilities set-up at ALL major landfills. (No need to explain, see Youtube.com
Implementation of "solar-cell" easy-roll roofing materials massed produced in the U.S. (only by law) utilizing current Welfare (now work-fare) recipients who work 20 hours a week as well as "voluntary" prison labor (at their own secured facilities). Voluntary meaning that general prisoners (not your nutcases) can work if they want to for say $2.00 an hour paid in US savings bonds that they receive upon release (better to get out with a few thousand $ than nothing).
Step #3: America FAIR Trade ACT of 2010
Probably won't get great response on this one but common sense should tell everyone we cannot maintain our standard of living if the Chinese (and others) have a very unfair competitive advantage if we do not levy FAIR tariffs on imported goods. We cannot compete with labor cost of $6,000 a year on average vs. Our $45,000 a year. Get a clue and levy FAIR Tariffs!
Step #4 Welfare / SSI Disability home-worker / teleworker program.
Yeah, you may have a bad back that keeps you from heavy lifting or you may be a 3rd generation welfare mom but it doesn't matter, YOU can work from home now processing orders / paperwork and taking queued inbound phone calls. I am sure we can find quite a few Federal / State or even local government work that needs to be done that is currently outsourced to a foreign call center or similar.
Step #5 New Farming Subsidies Act
Pay farmers (well farming corporations nowadays) NOT to grow food? Are you crazy, have them grow seed and food at a fair price that is sent to a government cannery which cans the food and is utilized by Government entities (military, school lunch programs, etc.)
Step #6 Container Inspection Act of 2010
ALL shipping containers entering the U.S. will be inspected. An inspection fee will be assessed (whatever price / tariff needed to cover the cost) on all containers entering the US or any cargo coming in via land from Mexico / Canada. We will call it the "price of doing business" in the U.S. and we can employ 10's of thousands of people to make this happen. This need to happen for the sake of "National Security".
Right on the money! Fair Trade not Free Trade (which means Free for them not for us). Solutions are the key... God, sometimes I feel I am going to have to run for something to be heard. It is not difficult to fix it!
Originally posted by skunknuts
Can you please show me where in the almighty constitution there is an authority of the good ol' boy sheriff to arrests feds. of which to reinforce??
So how are the militias going to combat apache helicopters? Do they have surface to air missiles?
Do you guys really want this country to look like the videos we see of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Nor do I trust these new revolutionaries to establish any kind of new government.
Despite what many state....I believe we can fix the current situation. Crappier days ahead....most likely and don't see how we can avoid it. Interest rates WILL go up. They have to.
And let's say there are 10,000 to 100,000 militian members in the US (Just a guess, have no idea)....do you think the others 330 million people are going to just let these people do whatever the hell they want?
Do I really want Billy Bob or C-Bass resetting the tree of liberty?
UM NO. I'd rather fix what we have without breaking down the entire system.
Despite the anger at government...I'm willing to bet that in some regard...99 percent of all Americans are dependent upon it to live...whether they are receiving tax cuts, tax credits, or an INCREASE in taxes.
Yeah...you can count me out of the militia movement. I'd fight for my family...but not for someone else's belief in what they think the Constitution should be.
If people would realize that the reason our country's economy is deteriorating is because of our TRADE POLICIES...we'd all be in better shape right now.
But instead people argue about crap that's not even reality nor feasible.
Originally posted by VintageEnvy
People from the Oklahoma LEGISLATURE are wanting to start up a militia??
They feel it's that big of an emergency, they think 'their rights are being taken away'. Where were they when gay people were paying (and still are) their taxes to their state but weren't able to get married.