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Originally posted by haterproof
It would be nice if ATS wasn't a dumping place for either left wing or right wing politicians' ideological cronies. But taking disinfo directly from the horse's mouth itself and Cybercast News Service of "the right news right now" really scrapes the barrel. A two minute google search reveals the lies. The instant multiple flagging of this thread without taking the time to research its content is rather indicative of people working together to push agendas. Either that or flat out idiocy! www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 12-4-2010 by haterproof]
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by bluemooone2
more lies about the health care bill.
Arent things bad enough to the point you DONT have to make crap up to spread to people in order get your point across?
One concern about specialty hospitals is that they selectively treat the most lucrative patients. A study of heart hospitals in Arizona found that about 21% of patients admitted to physician-owned hospitals undergo routine surgeries such as a heart bypass but are otherwise relatively healthy. Only 10% of patients fit that profile at facilities that aren't doctor-owned; the vast majority are more complicated and expensive to treat because they have serious problems, such as diabetes and other chronic conditions.
"THIS ISN'T FAIR COMPETITION"
When physician-owners focus on less complex cases, they still earn returns on ancillary services, such as X-rays. But they dodge having to dole out care that isn't adequately reimbursed, such as nursing costs for patients who linger for days after their surgeries, too sick to go home. "When you're an owner, you have an incentive to make sure every case is profitable," says Jean M. Mitchell, professor of public policy at Georgetown University and author of the Arizona study. "It's scary."
Some critics charge that specialty hospitals also slough off uninsured patients, who invariably end up in the emergency rooms of nonprofit hospitals. Those hospitals, facing an exodus of insured patients to specialized rivals, may find it hard to stay afloat since they can't balance the cost of treating the uninsured with profits from performing pricey procedures on the insured. A study by the Texas Hospital Assn. (THA) found that the year after a heart-imaging facility opened in one town, the cardiac care center at the nearby community hospital slid from a $524,646 net profit to a $20,786 net loss. "We're all for competition," says THA spokesman Gregg Knaupe. "Problem is, this isn't fair competition."
Physician self-referral is the practice of a physician referring a patient to a medical facility in which he/she has a financial interest, be it ownership, investment, or a structured compensation arrangement. Critics of the practice allege an inherent conflict of interest, given the physician's position to benefit from the referral. They suggest that such arrangements may encourage over-utilization of services, in turn driving up health care costs. In addition, they believe that it would create a captive referral system, which limits competition by other providers. en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by bluemooone2
Whatever your political stand is , you have to agree that less doctors and hospitals and many more patients equals one hell of a mess. Were going to need massive reform to fix the reform .
[edit on 12-4-2010 by bluemooone2]
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by sos37
the OP presented nothing.
The burden of proof is on the OP. Not up to me to prove it otherwise.
I refuse to do the footwork for someone too lazy to do it for themselves.
Im telling you - this is a lie. The healthcare bill, in its design, does not call for the cancellation of any new hospitals. If any hospitals get canceled, its because the man or woman in charge of building them said "you know what? Screw this"
Don't believe me? I'm not surprised.
[edit on 14-4-2010 by Snarf]
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by jibeho
So these hospitals can't survive on privately funded healthcare alone?
That should tell you the whole private healthcare claim is a joke.
The repubs went all out for their corporate masters to stop any decent healthcare reform, but it is quite clear that the system is one huge mess.