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Why Not Send Our Garbage To The Sun? UPDATED

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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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I have often wondered a similar idea. Getting rid of nuclear waste in a similar manner. I have no idea of the cost or feasability, but it seems like a good idea. The Sun is basically a huge nuclear reactor and I have doubts that the amount of waste we have would make a difference. I am no Nasa engineer or science scholar, so this is purely hypothetical. Feel free to correct my idealogies.

As for the garbage it would probably be easier to put it on the moon. I highly doubt that we can inhabit the moon. Maybe we can pile the garbage up to look like a big happy face or a corporate logo? I'm sure McDonalds would want a piece of that advertising




posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Your kidding, right?

Is it not more logical to recycle and incinerate everything?


Some times I wonder if the people who are leading us into the future are really that stupid or just plain criminals bent on destroying our planet.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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I had considered twenty some years ago the same concept dealing with nuclear waste. Mercury and Venus are not always between the sun and Earth but accidents still could happen that spewed the garbage over a large area. I never pursued it,

Jason

[edit on 13-4-2010 by hthjason]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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I agree with all those people talking about reducing the Earth's mass. Everything we use comes from underneath us. If we just start getting rid of it, we loose all those resources and our planet will actually get smaller which would affect the delicate balance we are in. I also disagree with dumping it into a volcano. Who knows how long before we will be able to harvest those materials again! It may be hundreds of thousands of years! I agree with those people that say we should just break the trash down into its elements and reuse them. I don't think we are far off from achieving that technology. With the exception of nuclear waste which we could dump into a volcano or a giant hole bored into the crust, providing that its not going to cause some kind of massive reaction. Actually, I just started thinking, what kind of effect will a gigantic hole bored all the way through the Earth's crust have on the geology of the rest of the planet. I mean you're talking about creating an artificial marianas trench or volcano. The Earth is balanced right now, what happens when we unbalance it? And again thinking about the amount of radioactive materials, what kind of effect is that going to have on the mantle? Do we even understand what kind of balance is maintained down there? We don't even know how the Earth chooses where to place volcanoes and fault lines, nor do we know what causes earthquakes. Yes we do understand the physics behind the mechanisms of earthquakes and volcanoes, but we don't understand what goes on all the way through the Earth that chooses the specific locations that they occur. We also don't understand fully what is happening down there. I don't think we should just going willy nilly dumping unstable isotopes into the core of the very planet we live on until we fully understand the mechanics occuring within the Earth.


 
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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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Good idea, but I don't think Vrishnu wants our crap. You do know that our Sun is the logos of this solar system, don't you?

Reduce, reuse, recycle. And as far as plastic goes, outlaw the junk and use nano technology to devise an organism that will eat up what we've already created.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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If you want to send garbage to the sun you are going to need some first class seats ,tptb wont want to travel economy class...All aboard...



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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If you made so much nuclear waste that it was a pile the size of Saturn and denser than Earth, and then put that into the sun, there would be absolutely NO effect whatsoever. The sun is just much too large.


riiiiight.. right..and .. and we've tested this hypothesis multiple times yes? saturn size object as dense as earth enters star with zero effect... riiight....


FACTS: launching rockets is safe, they DONT blow up.


the hell are you ON?

2 shuttle complete disasters and uncountable rocket launchpad disasters from the 60's and 70s? you wanna have that crap spray all over you?
your "FACT" is in complete error. because it's not a fact.

also Bil Gates is funding a program aimed at using nuclear waste as nuclear fuel for miniature nuclear generators.. so there's a contained and safe method for using it.

..a-pshhh..."rocket dona't asplode" ..lawls...



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Reduce, reuse, recycle. And as far as plastic goes, outlaw the junk and use nano technology to devise an organism that will eat up what we've already created.




Yeah, like those nanobots I saw in Sid Meier's Civilization Alpha Centauri, 10 years ago. creating stuff from scrap metal. crazy.
We'll make that possible, maybe a super secret Japanese team has almost finished the very first ones who knows? By the time it reaches Joe Six Pack, we'll be dust



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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i'm surprised that nobody has posted this yet



The lawyers and engineers who dwell in an elegant enclave here are at peace with the hulking neighbor just over the back fence: a vast energy plant that burns thousands of tons of household garbage and industrial waste, round the clock.

Far cleaner than conventional incinerators, this new type of plant converts local trash into heat and electricity. Dozens of filters catch pollutants, from mercury to dioxin, that would have emerged from its smokestack only a decade ago.


Europe finds cleaner energy source by burning trash

maybe we'd all be better off if the rest of world would take the cue and follow Europe's lead in this matter... what do you think?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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i liked this idea initially, i suppose with the amount of technology out there with the right investors it wouldn't be all that unfeasible.

Then another thought hit me. We do after all live on a planet we are effectively shackled to. The planet has limited resources, it's regenerative to a certain extent but not at the level of consumption. if we start jettisoning this mass instead of putting it back in the ground.. well, basically the planet will be getting lighter. I'm struggling to put it into words what i mean, but does it make sense?

I mean things like aluminum. I'm not working for greenpeace, i'm just trying to say that if we dump all of our rubbish into the sun, our planet's losing a lot of resources it could've done with itself.

On top of that, there's a lot of concern about where the rubbish would land etc, ie end up on venus or mercury.. if it did, so what? isn't venus just a mass of poisonous gas and semi-molten rock? and mercury would probably be so hot nothing but heatproof material would survive on its surface. maybe i'm wrong, genuinely looking for an answer there lol



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Hey ATS,

I just thought of this idea, and I want some input.

What if there was a way to "caterpult" our garbage, in really large ammounts into space towards the Sun?

Would such a feat be that difficult?

I assume that with planetary rotations and the like it would have to be a pretty precise kind of experiment. It would however have profound effects on our planet.

All garbage dumps instantly gone, no more waste or pollution put into the oceans, etc.

What do you all think?

I just wanted to update my line of thought.

This would not be done through Rockets or anything like that.

Imagine building a giant runway that shot up into the sky after let's say a quarter mile. We could somehow just "launch" the garbage using this device.

I can picture it but I just can't explain it. Perhaps magnets could be used?

~Keeper

[edit on 4/12/2010 by tothetenthpower]


The sun shines with Infinite unconditional Love and you want to throw your waste at it?

Hmmm.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Attach the garbage to the currents going back to the Sun from
the Earth.
A little recognition to the Electrical Universe might help but there
are no electrical engineers in the ruling class.
Weight is no problem to the ether ship so haul as much as the
biggest ship can hold and move it out to the current and let it
go.
All done perhaps with a wireless power operation and no humans
on the garbage scow.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Because the sun is the TPTB God. Duh



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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As long as it isn't radioactive there is probably a lot of salvage materials that could be recovered.

If you could economically launch it into space it would make more sense to send it to the moon or some asteroid(s) where it would be great salvage materials.

A small problem is that if you keep shipping garbage off the Earth it will begin to lose some of its mass. If it gets too light it might fly off out into space instead of remain in its stable orbit round the Sun.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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How would you go about reclaiming the trash from all the landfills and ocean dumps. The cost of recovering hundreds of years of the waste alone would be one of the biggest projects in earths history.

Secret nuclear dumping grounds and landfills are scattered throughut the world by small to large busineses as well as govt.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 04:57 AM
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hmmm... that would be awsome! But it would probably cost too much and we probably don't have a space craft that can support such a massive load. Right now it's probably impossible, but someone should look into it.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by slank
As long as it isn't radioactive there is probably a lot of salvage materials that could be recovered.


sadly there is quite a bit of irradiated salvage out there - not to point the finger specifically - but russia is a major ` culprit ` with several cases of " salvaged " titanium , specialist stainless steels and exotic aluminium alloys beeing reused in such things as climbing equipment and motorsports components

this is NOT radioactive waste - rather ancillary components that were part of nuclear instalations - and cough ` somehow ` found thier way onto the open market



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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There are several reasons we cannot do this:

1) To launch such amounts of mass to space would require incredible amounts of energy. We don't have such thrust.

2) If something went wrong, it would be catastrophic. If the supposed rocket would malfunction (blow up) in the atmosphere, it would rain all the waste back down. Think about a giant waste cloud, not unlike those caused by volcanoes.

3) As said earlier in this thread, the supposed rocket would melt well before hitting the Sun (but that doesn't mean that the "load" wouldn't continue to gravitate towards the Sun. Also, the heat of the Sun would burn the garbage well before hitting the actual surface).

The Sun itself wouldn't even burp, no matter how much stuff we send to it. It is so huge, so enormous, that we wouldn't even notice.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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The simple fact that some people are actually considering this as an idea is quite disturbing imo. As others have said, (1)its not safe (2)impractical (3)expensive.

Recycling should have been A HUGE BUSINESS by now through out our planet and especially in europe and america. Big bucks and very practical/efficient!

Anything that cannot be recycled should be incinerated, NOT dumped in huge landfills or offshore. We are destroying our planet's ecosystem with PURE STUPIDITY by focusing primarily on CO2 emissions, while ignoring other more dangerous toxins.

Wake the hell up!



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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i was just thinking...charges for all the rocket fuel etc etc?? i mean if u want human beings to evolve why not just give away everything for free.....why charge 10,000$ per pound...why not for free?


[edit on 17-4-2010 by Noobastronomer]



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