'Scud Crisis' Threatens War between Israel, Hizbullah

'Scud Crisis' Threatens War between Israel, Hizbullah

www.naharnet.com

A “Scud Crisis” is threatening to ignite an all-out war between Israel and Hizbullah, the Kuwaiti al-Rai newspaper reported.

The daily said that Syria has delivered to Hizbullah Scud missiles, sparking a behind-the-scenes crisis after Israel informed Washington that “it will take steps if the U.S. didn’t find a solution to what the Jewish state considers a threat to its security.”

More..Following the Israeli warning, the U.S. State Department summoned Syrian ambassador Imad Mustafa and asked him “to inform his government about the level of danger if the missiles crossed the b

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[edit on 4/12/2010 by maria_stardust]

Isn't the Lebanese Army allowed to obtain weaponry abroad just like Israel, or any other nation for that matter, does?...

Israeli army could argue that it's clearly for offensive attacks and will immediately get delivered to Hezzbollah and "terrorists" within Giza/Israel but still....

Just as Ron Paul said in his last speech... "Attacking someone for something they may do in the future is not what a country should base it's strategy on".

Oh well......

I said June major crap will hit the fan because well... Israel likes it's pre-summer spree's. Check your history books.

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Last time Israel attacked Hezbollah, Hezbollah came of stronger as it proved to the Arab world that it could fight, and was therefore a pretty "cost effective" investment against Israel. In fact on the day Israel claimed victory, more rockets where fired than any other day!

Somehow I doubt it will be any much different, which is probably why Israel threatens war (rather than just does it).

Can't be surprissed either than Syria would supply these weapons when relations between Washington and the Israeli capital (which ever city that may be!!!) are being held back by the words "ISteal settlements" getting somehow, mixed up, ith the definition of what territory, Israel is.

Israel learned a good lesson the last time they fought Hezzbollah. They will not make the same mistake twice. When Israel moves this time it will be a hard fast coordinated attack against Iran, Hezzbollah, the pals et all. It will not be pretty and civilians will get hurt and killed. This is war and th Israel knows it has run out of time and must end thhs. Israel knows this region is on the brink of an explosion, and to survive it they must secure the Golan Heights, the Gaza strip, and the west bank. They must take out as much of Irans nuclear facilitites as they can along with as much military capacity as they can destroy. They Will Not Use Nukes. They hold that in reserve as a threat. If Israel does use a nuke it will be in response to a large attack by Iran. I dont rule out Israel using a nuke, just not as a first strike.,

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The last I checked, Hizbullah wasn't the Lebanese military.

Hizbullah with SCUDs could provoke a reponse from us instead of Israel.

If Hizbullah fires one them, I can almost guarantee we will make sure they never fire one again.

Israel's military is built for defense, ours is built for offense. We don't have the kind of force projection issues that Israel has.

People better pray that Hizbullah doesn't put a chemical warhead on one of them. They fire that and someone is going to get nuked by us, Israel, or both.

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Are you the man with a finger on the button? Last time I heard your president was a meak ol' kenyan jew loving patsy with ideals in socialism. well that's what's been going round anyways...

I'd just like to say...pppffftt!

"Weapons of mass destruction! Weapons of mass destruction! I saw em' I tell ya! There in his back pocket!"

reply to post by spearhead


You don't honestly think we would sit by while someone gassed Jews do you?

I'm just being blunt about potential scenarios.

As for the POTUS, he'll make the call when he needs to. The SecDef has been pretty good at helping the POTUS realize the significance of various operations and plans.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Is that signifigance of 'various operations and plans' a reason to kill thousands of unfortunates for the good and prosperity of two particular power hungry nations?

Oil, jews, oily jews and a few million crispy muslims is the only scenario to come of this.

Isreal is the aggressor in this whole charade and that's how it's been for a long time. Maybe if you'd left them high and dry in the first place you wouldn't have been scraping the towers off 3000 dead americans.
You can continue your 'war on terrorism' and rave on about the injustice your government does you, but at the end of the day someone cries war and your the first in there guns ablazing, bombs a-dropping, attrocity a-covering...

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We are the dirtiest player in the game.

Al Qaeda declared Jihad due to the US presence in Saudi Arabia after Operation Desert Storm.

Israel ultimately doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Before 1979, Iran was our close friend in the Middle East. Even in the 1980s, we were helping Saddam and Israel.

Due to the strategic importance of the Middle East, we are always going to have proxies in the region, it could be Israel, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, etc.

at the end of the day someone cries war and your the first in there guns ablazing, bombs a-dropping, attrocity a-covering...

Never ever waste a good crisis.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
You don't honestly think we would sit by while someone gassed Jews do you?

But what if the US finally has a President that figures the security of America, and American lives are his first prority.

And that the defense of a declared terrorist nation, that has carried out false flag attacks upon Americans, and brought a war down upon itself, is second priority ?

[edit on 13/4/2010 by Silver Shadow]

Interesting dates coming real soon...

18-April-2010 Israeli Memorial Day
19-April-2010 Israeli Independence Day

Is it me or this would be the perfect days to start a war? They would say something like... Today is the anniversary of our great nation, a nation where jews have a home, are in security. Today we must fight to protect our home against the terrorists who want to kill us all! LET'S GO TO WAR!

Or something like that... It seems to me that this would be the perfect propaganda day to go at it.


Another important tidbit of information...
Russia's Pyotr Veliky missile cruiser to make port call in Syria
He's already there... probably because the Russians want to stop Israel from bombing Syria and/or start war in the region...

the bad part about this is the range distance

a scud in Hezbollah hands could reach
any target in Israel in a matter of minutes
and could hit before they even get out of
bed.

Last time a scud hit Israel was in
the first gulf war when Saddam hit
Israel with a scud. but that was a long
distance.

Now Israel has Patriot Batteries to
defend the threat but still ....

reply to post by boondock-saint

Last time a scud hit Israel was in the first gulf war when Saddam hit Israel with a scud. but that was a long distance.

Yeah. And Israel nearly nuked Baghdad in retaliation.

It's not for nothing many analysts say that the next war, if Israel is bombarded with real missiles, not crappy katushyas, they'll use their nukes.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by Vitchilo]

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Don't you feel tho, that any next conflict will be a gloves off affair???

Thanks for the info on the battlecruiser Pyotr Veliky.. that's quite a capable air defence system she's got.

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18th is also Iranian day of military parades and Air Force shows.

I have very bad feeling from 19th...

Scud was bad weapon in first Iraq war, like we saw in the end, but it still has it psykological great value - People was so loaded with fear against these weapons, that only saing the word "Scud!" - you still can feel pain in your ass.

Dont you?

[edit on 13-4-2010 by JanusFIN]

Report: Syria arms Hezbollah with Scud missiles

- Reading the news...

The Scud missile is designated to hit population centers in the Tel Aviv Metropolitan area or Haifa. According to the Kuwaiti report, the missiles transferred to Hezbollah are not state-of-the-art and are apparently stationed deep inside Lebanon for fear of an Israel Air-Force strike.

Syria has transferred some 45,000 rockets and missiles to Hezbollah in the past, including anti-tank missiles meant to fend off the Israel Armored Corps. Nevertheless, Hezbollah's new weapons have one great disadvantage – they are easily detected and targeted from the air.

www.ynetnews.com...

Sometimes Israel says that Hezbollah is armed by Iran... - But now its a fact that "no, no, no" - Hezbollah is armed by Syria! WTF.

People talk as if they will be stupid enough to launch the SCUD's one at a time. If they really want to make their presence felt, they will launch all of them at once. This way, they will overwhelm any missile defense that the Israeli's have and cause the maximum shock and terror all across Israel. Then they will be free to put their heads between their legs and kiss their butts goodbye.

Originally posted by warpcrafter
People talk as if they will be stupid enough to launch the SCUD's one at a time. If they really want to make their presence felt, they will launch all of them at once. This way, they will overwhelm any missile defense that the Israeli's have and cause the maximum shock and terror all across Israel.

Well we don't have any idea of how many SCUDs there are. Or how many missiles the Israeli's and US forces in the region can take down at any one time.

These weapons are primitive and should not offer much in the way of threat toward Israel.

It would really depend on what warheads they were carrying and what the the missile interception capability of Israel is.

Given that much of the missile defence system is supposedly aimed at Iran and that general region I seriously question how effective these weapons could be.

The article that the OP linked on which this thread is based does not include any information on the number or type of SCUDS or what warheads they may be fitted with.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by belial259]

As of 2003 Syria had a combined total of several hundred Scud and SS-21 SRBMs [short-range ballistic missiles], and is believed to have chemical warheads available for a portion of its Scud missile force. Syria's missiles are mobile and can reach much of Israel from positions near their peacetime garrisons and portions of Iraq, Jordan, and Turkey from launch sites well within the country. On 13 April 2007, citing Israeli intelligence sources, the Jerusalem Post reported that Syria had deployed 300 short-range (300-km) Scud missiles just north of the Golan Heights demilitarized zone.

Syria obtained Russian Scud-Bs, but it is unclear whether it received Russian Scud-Cs. As of 1992 it was estimated that Syria had 18 Scud-B launchers, as well as 18 of the second-generation Soviet SS-21s, a highly mobile, but shorter-range, missile capable of striking targets in northern Israel. It is widely believed that in late 1991 Syria bought 150 Scud-Cs [an extended-range versions of the Scud-Bs] from North Korea. Syrian Scuds are claimed to have a variety of warheads available, including cluster chemical, unitary VX chemical and unitary high explosive.

As of late 2000 Syria is believed to have 26 Scud launchers and 300-400 Scud Bs and Cs. The Scud B is capable of carrying a 1,000-kg warhead up to 300 kilometres and the Scud Cs a 770-kg warhead up to 500 kilometres, putting virtually all of Israel under the Syrian missile threat.

A Syrian Scud-C unit is generally thought to consist of 18 launchers and 50 missiles. Preparations for the first launch take about one-and-a-half hours, but in some cases only three to five minutes will be enough for a second launch. In early 1998 it was reported that Syria had moved two units of Scud-C missiles from the region of Aleppo in the north to the vicinity of the capital, Damascus.

Damascus is pursuing both solid- and liquid-propellant missile programs and relies extensively on foreign assistance in these endeavors. North Korean and Iranian entities have been most prominent in aiding Syria's recent ballistic missile development.

globalsecurity.org

lets be reasonable here. If Israel decided to go to war with hezbollah and all of lebanon this time. Israel would crush hezbollah and the lebanese military and any palestinian group that joined in the fight. Occupation of the country might be a different story as it was the first time but.. in a conventional conflict, Israel would wipe em out. ill give hezbollah some credit for inflicting heavier casualties than they are use to (israel had single digit deaths in gaza war) but none the less, they (hezbollah) were defeated and lebanon was bombed to near pieces.