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Originally posted by BLV12
I didn't say the Turkish government supported the Chechen terrorists.
I thought you've implied that the Turkish Government supports these Chechens .
There were plenty of Turks who volunteered and went. Do you think this happened with out the knowledge and assistance of MIT?
Unofficially speaking , of course the MIT knew all about it but I doubt MIT would of provided any kind of support .
In fact according to the Russians, the recent Moscow subway bombings, the suicide bombers were part of a squad of about 30 females who were trained in a madrasah in Turkey.
Madrasa concept is actually againt the Turkish Law . As for the those bombers being trained in Turkey ; I sincerely doubt it .
Yes, that's right. That's how far deep the connection is.
Chechen connection is of course as deep as it gets but this is not a relationship of equals .
And no, I'm not saying Turkey is a radical islamist country. But it's fast headed that way thanks to your current government.
Anatolian Turks have never been a radical islamist in their entire muslim history . As for it being ' my government ' well , my Hellas friend , I have never voted for them nor have I lived in Turkey in last 25 years .
Radical Islam defenders are not so popular in Turkey .
Turks have a more liberal strain of Islam .
I'll give you another example, a bit different this time.
A couple hundred Greeks volunteered and went to fight against the Mujahadeen in the breakup of Yugoslavia. This happened with the full knowledge of the Greek intellifence services. They even assisted them. The government wasn't involved and was kept in the dark.
ha ha ha
I know all this , I could even tell you what base those guys gathered to start with .
But my Hellas friend , Turks and Greeks are not following the same train of thought .
Greeks are subscribing to ' enemy of my enemy is my friend ' line of thought .
Whereus Turks are following the motto of ' peace at home , peace at world ' line of thought .
Why would Russia co-operate with Turkey? Because Turkey's strategic location and holding of the straights obviously.
America and the UK supported the Chechens too. They even offered the leader of the Chechen terrorists responsible for the Beslan school seige/attack asylum. And that was in western media mind you.
Yet Russia still does trade with them.
Russian & Turks are far more entegrated in last 20 years then they have ever done so .
In fact , when one scracthes a skin of a Russian; a Tatar is to be found beneath .
Turks & Russians are both Eurasians , that is why they actually get on .
Washington (CNN) - Turkey's prime minister declined to support President Barack Obama's push for tough new sanctions against Iran but said his country was willing to act as a mediator in the diplomatic standoff over Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Turkey has had a strategic alliance with Iran since the 17th century and wants a diplomatic solution to end the deadlock. Erdogan spoke to CNN's Christiane Amanpour while in Washington to attend the Obama administration's summit on nuclear security, saying, "I believe that we can find a way out."
"I am here for a diplomatic solution," he said. Countries that are members of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) "must all work together on this, and as (for) Turkey, we could act as a very important intermediary."
Originally posted by JanusFIN
More news from Turkish stance against Israeli politics:
Turkish PM won't back Iran sanctions
So Turkey is against actions towards Iran and linking this to earlier news what I posted here - It really backs up that there is something really balance changing coming out from Turkey...
- Black horse of Middle East politics and security? Quess so.
Originally posted by ChrisR
THAT'S a big deal -- Britain?! About time this one-sided, blind support for Israel was questioned. Let them stand or fail on their own.
Refused permission to fly in Turkish airspace, the Israel Air Force has its eyes on Europe and Asia as it searches for new training grounds for its fighter jets with an emphasis on long-range missions.
In recent years, due to the various threats it faces, primarily from Iran, the IAF has increased its long-range training missions. Most notable was in 2008, when 100 IAF aircraft flew over Greece in an exercise that was perceived as a dress rehearsal for a strike against Iran.
Israel has declined a request by Turkey to purchase several different military systems, including an anti-tank guided weapon and a missile system for its navy.
The request by the Turkish government was rejected by Israel's SIBAT, the defense assistance and export organization, which is currently reviewing each order on a case-by-case basis.
Turkey said it wanted to buy the Spike non-line-of-site (NLOS) anti-tank guided weapon, the Namer heavy infantry fighting vehicle, and the Israel Aerospace Industries' (IAI) Barak 8 theater-defense missile system for its navy, according to UK-based Jane's Defence Weekly.
Israel refuses to sell Turkey advanced naval Barak-8 interceptor
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report April 27, 2010, 4:50 PM (GMT+02:00)
Tags: Barak 8 interceptor Israel Turkey
Israel's Barak-8 naval shield
Israel has turned down several Turkish requests for advanced military hardware, according to Israeli and Western intelligence sources. Sources in Ankara say that the impact from Prime minister Tayyep Recep Erdogan's alignment with Syria and Iran and poisonous attacks on Israel is beginning to cut into the Turkish army's operational capabilities. In recent weeks, Turkish naval chiefs tried to find out in particular if Israel would be willing to sell the Barak 8 missile interceptor, whose radar provides 360-degree coverage against incoming missiles or air attack, and which was developed in partnership with India.
Security sources told debkafile that it was decided in Jerusalem not to sell, in case Erdogan decided to allow Iranian military intelligence experts to study the Barak-8 and analyze its technology. This interceptor is a key defensive component for the Israeli missile and warships patrolling the Persian Gulf seas opposite Iran, the Red Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean opposite Syrian and Lebanese shores.
In recent weeks, Turkish naval chiefs tried to find out in particular if Israel would be willing to sell the Barak 8 missile interceptor, whose radar provides 360-degree coverage against incoming missiles or air attack, and which was developed in partnership with India.
Israel will impose a temporary freeze on the sale of advanced weapons systems to Turkey, once a key ally, because of blistering criticism of the Jewish state by Turkey's Islamist Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Jane's Defense Weekly reports.
Jane's Defense Weekly reported that despite the nosedive in diplomatic relations, Israel and Turkey have maintained "a cautious business relationship" and discussed the joint sale of upgraded U.S.-built M-60 main battle tanks to Colombia.
Israel Military Industries and Arselan of Turkey delivered the last of 170 upgraded General Dynamics M-60A1 tanks to Turkey's army on April 7. Jane's Defense Weekly said a senior Colombian general attended the handover ceremony.
LONDON: A group of European Muslim dignitaries, including representatives of major Muslim and Islamic organizations is set to visit Turkey, early May, in a bid to get the Turkish government to veto Israel’s possible accession to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
Originally scheduled for late April but postponed due to the volcanic ash crisis, the visit is the culmination of a campaign initiated by Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) requesting the Turkish government voice its opposition to the Israeli application. So far, thousands of letters and emails from citizens around the world have been sent to the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet arrested a Turkish national suspected of being a member of an outlawed Islamic group, a released gag order revealed on Monday.
Izzet Shahin, a volunteer for the Turkish NGO Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH), was arrested in the West Bank by Israeli security forces two weeks ago and had been transferred to a Shin Bet investigation.
IHH, who had been organizing a Gaza aid boat planned to depart at the end of the month, was outlawed in Israel a few years ago.
Beirut - The Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah on Monday hailed what it described as an "historic stance" by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan against Israel. "We praise the courageous stand by ... Erdogan in confronting the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians and the Arab cause," a statement issued by the group quoted Hezbollah lawmaker Ali Fayad as saying. "We salute Prime Minister Erdogan for his stand that has gathered Arab and Islamic support, especially his comments about al Aqsa Mosque," it read.