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Turkey To Challenge Israel, Support Hamas

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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Turkey To Challenge Israel, Support Hamas


www.israelnationalnews.com

Turkey is planning a gesture that will challenge Israel and provide support to Gaza's Hamas leaders next month. A flotilla of ships funded by Turkey will approach Gaza in May, in an attempt to challenge Israeli control at sea - or, as organizers put it, “break Israel's illegal blockade on Gaza.”

While residents of Gaza have access to the sea, the Israel Navy prevents travel by sea between Gaza and surrounding countries, in an attempt to prevent weapons smuggling.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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To our notice. Events in Israel have been higly debated in Turkey. Like article said - relations between Turkey and Israel are already in bad shape because of palestinian question and operation Cast Lead.

We have to remember that military coup in Turkey has been very close and likely now more than a year, when first arresting of officers starts in the country - and prime minister and chief of staff relations was so tense a while, that they could not speak to each others.

Turkish army is mostly muslims and they really dont like situation and political cooperation with Tel Aviv. Last joint excercise with Israel army was cancelled and situation havent gone to better, except in official statements by presidents envoy in Tel Aviv.

If Turkish aid ships will get fired by Israel navy - does muslims in Turkish army just watch from side when those are shot - obey their government orders, or make their own decissions?

I think this kind of fleet would not take tour without (secret) backing from Turkish navy. We all know what happened to last aid fleets which has tried to break blockade of Gaza!

So - looks like another new player raising new problems is emerging to higly tensed region and issue.

No matter what is the outcome of this operation - This will near Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordania and Iran much more closer to each others in question about Palestinians.

www.israelnationalnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Good. Turkey is the only country IN THE WORLD that has the balls and the means behind it to stand up to Israel's war crimes.

Enough is enough with Israel's government war crimes.

Arrest their government, try them then put them in jail. Time to put those war criminals on black lists. Time to impose sanctions on the Israeli government members and IDF officers who committed war crimes.

Every single day they impose a blockade on Gaza is a war crime, aka punishing a whole population for the crimes of a few.

Not to mention the war crimes they did when they bombed critical civilian infrastructure for no reason when they attacked Lebanon.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Vitchilo]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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Awesome, will look forward to this!



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Its about time Hamas was recognised as the elected representative of the Palestinian people by another nation...

Turkey certainly has been winding Israel up in the last few weeks...Good to see



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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The Turkish Navy had better come heavy, because the Israeli's will want to put them down hard for all to see. I just wonder, if this is successful, will it inspire the other nearby muslim nations to do the same?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Good. Turkey is the only country IN THE WORLD that has the balls and the means behind it to stand up to Israel's war crimes.


This combined with their response to the IMF is very promising. Turkey certainly seems to have a powerful government capable of representing it's citizens interests.

I'm rather jealous.

If only Australia could have such a strong sense of enlightened self interest.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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Whoa! Did anyone else see THIS paragraph in the article?!




The IHH group will be joined by ships from Britain, Greece, and Ireland in the attempt to break Israel's control at sea. The delegation will include members of parliament and journalists, organizers said.


THAT'S a big deal -- Britain?! About time this one-sided, blind support for Israel was questioned. Let them stand or fail on their own.

What really is pitiful is so many of the supporters here in the US would probably NOT be too keen on giving their property back to the Native Americans, who were here before us...yet that's exactly what we've forced Palestinians to do.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by ChrisR]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Turkey is trying real hard to get into the EU. Will Turkey really do this? Does it want to be perceived as helping a terrorist organization like Hamas?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Turkey is also a NATO member. I wonder what NATO will do if Israel engage and fires upon this fleet. What would the US do.?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Turkey supported the Chechen terrorists, so why not their other Muslim brothers?

When it comes to the Chechens, the Turks even provided them with fighters and weapons. Many Turks went to the "holy war" there. Their intelligence services knew all about it and aided them.

A year or two ago, Turkey's government invited HAMAS leaders to Turkey, and they held meetings.

Turkey seems to have buried the hatchet with Syria, and has or will be holding military exercises with them.

Turkey is also getting closer with Iran, the Turkish government actually opposes more sanctions.


There's been a few in the USA who have noticed Turkeys monumental shift away from the west toward our enemies, but sadly so far none are in a position of power. The wolf in sheep in clothing is starting to uncover it self.
And all at a time when they are becoming self sufficient militarily to an extent, of course with the help of the west.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Chechen terrorists!? I think you missed the 80's and 90's. We(the USA) also supported them. They were being killed just like the Jews back in WWII! Maybe if entire citys hadn't been wiped out the new chechen rebels wouldn't be so mad at russia and Putin....no?

Every country has a right to arm itself and it's people, even if Hamas is their government. It's simply none of our business.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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Most americans buy the poop Fox news throws out
i mean come on

almost all terrorist leades, Dictators have had sexual intercorse with the US leadership the past for

weapons
Money
Diplomatic support on world stage
leverage over others
free condoms
and much more.

untill they either are kicked out of bed or leave on their own and become
a threat to the US



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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Janus, I respect your input here but I feel I must point out something..

It's actually the civilian Government who are "pro-Islamic" with the Army seeing themselves as guardians of the countries secular constitution and Government. That was the reason for the falling out between the military and the Government...

A small, but significant difference from what you said



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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Turks & Israel have no historical animosity towards each other .

I am sure a deal will be brokered and a softer Israel and softer Palestian would have chance to emerge .


Turkish Government NEVER supported Chechens .


Turkish Intellegence Service was the provider of the satellite phone to assasinated Chechen President Cahar Dudayev.

Cahar Dudayev used it to talk to outside world . ( Outside of USSR , shortly BBC & CNN )

Russians were giving the frequency of this satellite phone and that is how they were able to kill the Chechen President with a MIG missile .

Turks do like the Chechens and Turks do like other muslim caucasus nations .

Turkish Government has been rewarded with increasing commercial ties with Russia .

In fact Turkey & Russia are going to lift visas for each others nationals soon .

So , why would Russia cooperate with Turkey if the Chechens were supported by Turkey ?

Doesn't make sense , does it ?

Going back to Israel issue ; it's simply a political plot .

Turks & Hebrews get on fine .


Current Israel government is not the best Israeli government .

Even the friends of Israel is muttering about it and Turkey is just flexing it's old Ottoman muscles .

Business as usual , nothing to see here .




posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 09:21 PM
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Chechen terrorists!? I think you missed the 80's and 90's. We(the USA) also supported them. They were being killed just like the Jews back in WWII! Maybe if entire citys hadn't been wiped out the new chechen rebels wouldn't be so mad at russia and Putin....no?

Every country has a right to arm itself and it's people, even if Hamas is their government. It's simply none of our business.



This isn't about what the US did though, so there's no need to bring up US support for the Chechen terrorists.

And ask your self why the Russian's were so brutal in Chechnya to begin with? Hmm? Have you stopped to ask why?

Do you even know how the Chechen terrorists and other hardcore muslim fundamentalists operate? Are you even aware they are linked to the KLA in Kosovo and drug/weapons/people smuggling? Where do you think they find the money to finance them selves, by selling candy?

Are you even aware that Chechen terrorists used to kidnap Chechens and demand ransoms from the family's?
Are you aware those who didn't go along with their fundamentalist crap basically got the bullet?

Are you aware that most Chechens don't even support the terrorists?
Are you aware that most support the work Russia is doing in Chechnya, namely rebuilding the place?

Turn fox, cnn and the other crap off and do a little investigating your self.
You might actually learn that thing's aren't as plain and simple as those propaganda outlets make out to be.

I mean, you probably don't even know why the latest terror attacks in Russia occured. It had nothing to do with killing civilians, and everything to do with the Russian military going after and killing actual terrorists. In recent months quite a few of the terrorists upper echelons have been liquidated. The terror attacks were retaliation.


Originally posted by 23432

Turks & Israel have no historical animosity towards each other .

I am sure a deal will be brokered and a softer Israel and softer Palestian would have chance to emerge .


Turkish Government NEVER supported Chechens .


Turkish Intellegence Service was the provider of the satellite phone to assasinated Chechen President Cahar Dudayev.

Cahar Dudayev used it to talk to outside world . ( Outside of USSR , shortly BBC & CNN )

Russians were giving the frequency of this satellite phone and that is how they were able to kill the Chechen President with a MIG missile .

Turks do like the Chechens and Turks do like other muslim caucasus nations .

Turkish Government has been rewarded with increasing commercial ties with Russia .

In fact Turkey & Russia are going to lift visas for each others nationals soon .

So , why would Russia cooperate with Turkey if the Chechens were supported by Turkey ?

Doesn't make sense , does it ?

Going back to Israel issue ; it's simply a political plot .

Turks & Hebrews get on fine .


Current Israel government is not the best Israeli government .

Even the friends of Israel is muttering about it and Turkey is just flexing it's old Ottoman muscles .

Business as usual , nothing to see here .




I didn't say the Turkish government supported the Chechen terrorists.
There were plenty of Turks who volunteered and went. Do you think this happened with out the knowledge and assistance of MIT?

In fact according to the Russians, the recent Moscow subway bombings, the suicide bombers were part of a squad of about 30 females who were trained in a madrasah in Turkey. Yes, that's right. That's how far deep the connection is. And no, I'm not saying Turkey is a radical islamist country. But it's fast headed that way thanks to your current government.

I'll give you another example, a bit different this time.
A couple hundred Greeks volunteered and went to fight against the Mujahadeen in the breakup of Yugoslavia. This happened with the full knowledge of the Greek intellifence services. They even assisted them. The government wasn't involved and was kept in the dark.

Why would Russia co-operate with Turkey? Because Turkey's strategic location and holding of the straights obviously.
America and the UK supported the Chechens too. They even offered the leader of the Chechen terrorists responsible for the Beslan school seige/attack asylum. And that was in western media mind you.

Yet Russia still does trade with them.


[edit on 12-4-2010 by BLV12]

[edit on 12-4-2010 by BLV12]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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Israel should start supplying Turkeys minority Kurdish population. The Turkish Kurds really do get murdered on an hour by hour basis, they really are discriminated against, Turkey should give this group their own homeland as the Kurds really are a singular group in the east but I just can't see it happen, Turks prefer Armenian style genocide tactics and Turkification to peace. If they supply Hamas then Israel should supply PKK



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:28 AM
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Israel already is supporting the PKK, unofficially of course, and nothing directly linked to the Israeli government for obvious political reasons. Hell, the Americans are doing the same thing, not just in Iraq, but in Iran too.

If the AKP stays in power, it looks like it will grant more rights and freedoms to the Kurds possibly. Seems to be doing that slowly now. But the question is while that's the benefit(ie more human rights etc), what is the down side?

There's some saying already that Turkey is sliding toward something along the lines of Iran but not quite Iran, due to the AKP's Islamic leanings. Time will tell though. They certainly are cementing their power though with the ongoing Ergenekon crisis. Dozens of high ranking military officials have been arrested and many put on trial, with more arrests all the time.

But if Erdogan and co keep pis**ng off Israel and making comments which affect their bilateral ties, then I wouldn't put it past Israel to back a full blown Kurdish uprising across Turkey. The thing with the Kurds is they aren't just centered in the south east anymore, they have moved to many major cities in Turkey and form sizeable minorities.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by spy66
Turkey is also a NATO member. I wonder what NATO will do if Israel engage and fires upon this fleet. What would the US do.?


thats the million dollar question right there
nobody knows at this point I dont think

but I think US will stand down and let Israel
fight this blockade run by itself cuz if US gets
involved then they will have to fire on their
British Allie. That could be bad consequences
in Iraq and Afgh

I think Israel stands alone on this one.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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From what I've read, the fleet of small ships comes from up to 20 nations including America.. on a daily basis this mess gets more tricky to deal with for all involved.




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