Why don't we do this guys? Let's all put in the evidence into the pot. Evidence I am speaking of. Lets us put the pieces into the pot and look at them. I am hearing things like 2,000,000 dollars spent hiding archives lol. Where? Where does that even come from?

I may very well be wrong, and the man was born in Kenya. As of now though, I have not seen 1 piece of evidence. Not one. Only that birthers demand things one after another, and countless misinterpretations. That isn't evidence.
Let's put in actual tangible evidence that we can sink our teeth into. No rumors, no witness testimony, no healthcare socialism, just plain facts. I will start....



Here is a birth certificate clearly showing the president was born on the 4th of August 1941 in Hawaii. Why is this not accepted? What leads you to believe that this is phony? What have I not been shown? Has he deliberatley said "I am not showing you guys anything?






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He is a puppet celebrity liberal and the people pulling the strings could not have picked someone better .He fooled almost all of the liberals and democrats into believing he would bring change .Sometimes i think they put him in office just so no liberal will ever get elected again .If i am wrong then why are his numbers this low in his first year and he continues right on doing whatever he wants and pretty much using the Constitution as toilet paper .Sad days for this country

Who cares!
What is the big deal?
Why not use your excess energy to out the real culprits who did 9/11? Or expose any of the huge financial frauds?
Attack the policy, not the player.
The US is fighting countless illegal and immoral wars - who really cares where the prez was born?

"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation," Orengo posited, "how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?"

There is documented evidence that the man said it, he seems intelligent and educated.

If he said it what is the argument?



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i think this issue (or news) would have been valid pre-election.

Obama is in now, and taking him out isn't going to make anything better, its not like they impeach Obama and Ron Paul takes over, it just means we would get Biden, or say for some reason hes has to leave office as well... then its queen Nancy, do you people really want Joe or Nancy as your commander and chief? i know i don't.

maybe after this November, and November 2012 we can get this country back on track (and trust me i dont mean the republican track)

Originally posted by whatukno

Third, this is the worst, most debunked conspiracy theory that has EVER been made up. There is no factual evidence, every singe lawsuit is thrown out.

Considering the government in power ALWAYS has control over the courts, having a case like this thrown out is hardly proof of anything except that the government in power has power.

There really is more to this issue that meets the eye. First if Obama was born outside of the USA and is accepted by the masses anyway, then Arnie's path to the presidency is nicely paved. 2) If this aspect of the qualifications to be president can be steam rolled, then other aspects that the USA was founded on can also be steamrolled.

I'm not even American and I can see the implications of this.

..Ex

Originally posted by hmmmbeer
Who cares!
What is the big deal?
Why not use your excess energy to out the real culprits who did 9/11? Or expose any of the huge financial frauds?
Attack the policy, not the player.
The US is fighting countless illegal and immoral wars - who really cares where the prez was born?

Tell us the names of the real culprits ,the reason it matters is because the president is supposed to be in charge not a puppet .Also as for your document ,I mean come on you can type anything that says anything .Make it say he was born on the moon it doesnt matter where he was born .What matters is the presidency of this nation has been made to be a joke .

UHH not to be a pita but that says august 4 1961 as date of birth. I think the main problem people have and I alike is that from the get go there has been a lot of weird behavior when it came to his birth certificate. Even though this is 2010 there are still some people that think that our constitution means something, and that it should be followed to the T as did the forefathers who wrote it. So if there is the slightest chance something about this man doesn't add up I would hope all American citizens would stand up and question it. Plain and simple if he had nothing to hide then why the big deal about showing it in the first place. And no I'm not one of these birther nuts just your average Jay American.

Wow, in the first 4 replies I read:

"You people..."
"Birthers"...
"nuts"...
"idiots"...

Way to deny ignorance ATS...!!!
Divided we fall, good job doing TPTB's work for them!

These knee jerk responses make me sick and I don't even give a damn where the man was born.



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Originally posted by jaynkeel
UHH not to be a pita but that says august 4 1961 as date of birth. I think the main problem people have and I alike is that from the get go there has been a lot of weird behavior when it came to his birth certificate. Even though this is 2010 there are still some people that think that our constitution means something, and that it should be followed to the T as did the forefathers who wrote it. So if there is the slightest chance something about this man doesn't add up I would hope all American citizens would stand up and question it. Plain and simple if he had nothing to hide then why the big deal about showing it in the first place. And no I'm not one of these birther nuts just your average Jay American.

What "weird behavior?"

What does not "add up?"