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Kenyan official: Obama born in KENYA

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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When did Fox start posting on ATS?




posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
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Did you expect any other president to show his certificate? Why on earth would the puppetmasters put forward a candidate who is not American? That would be a monumentally easy to dismantle them. No, they put forward candidates who can bring in the votes.



Putting forward a candidate who is not American would be Political suicide for the entire party that had done so.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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And still you ignore the question. If you are going to come and spout stuff off at least give your sources. SHOW where he spent 2 million dollars sealing up his records. NOT ONE PERSON on this entire board has show that. I'm not even picking a side it just annoys the crap out of me when people say this is TRUE IT MUST BE yet can't verify what they are saying with at least one credible source. WND is not credible, so please how about you answer one question with something of substance?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Mikemp44
While I believe there exists some truth to Obama NOT being a natural born American (he isn't, he was born in Mumbasa hospital, grandma spilled the beans that is what started this all),

"Grandma" (Sarah Obama,) spilled the beans about having witnessed the birth of Barrack Obama senior, the boy who she acted as mother to after his own mother died.


But really, does anyone else remember that before he got elected? I found it funny because the family's reponse was that she was old and confused. Poor Grandma is dead now, God rest her soul, and any real truth to this issue likely went with her.

You poor Birthers seem to get confused so easily.
Sarah is still in good health, and even attended a ball in Washington January last year.

It was Obama's maternal grandmother who died. She had been suffering from cancer for some time.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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A govt official born and raised in Kenya says Obama was born in Kenya and we're the nuts for looking into it? If anybody needs to question their mental stability, I'd say anybody that can swat this away without a second glance isn't running on all cylinders.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Sheeper]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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I guess I should ask that of anyone on this website. If you are going to say something is a fact at least have some kind of evidence. Maybe a mod can answer this but why are people allowed to make claims that something is true while adamentaly striking down anyone with a different opinion? Yet they have no evidence to back up their claims.

I know this is a conspiracy site and sometimes people have general claims or ideas and want a sounding board. But when someone comes and posts something that is supposed to be fact and yet repeats it over and over why not do something when they can't produce something (even if non credible) for discussion?

You have warnings for behavior yet nothing to keep a legitimate discussion alive. If it turns into nothing more than a I'm right you're wrong thread at least do some about it. Hell you closed a thread because a guy wouldn't tell his story this is no different. /Bang head on desk



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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the only thing you are entitled to, is what a judge determines in a court of law you're entitled to. unless you resort to force, that's it buddy.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Does the birth announcement aug 4 1961 in the advertiser and star bulletins help confirm it for you? So he's got a hawaiian Bc and there were 2 announcements in the local papers for his birth within a week of him being born. And I have never seen a Hawaiian BC of Maya. I think what you could be referring to would be her indonesian BC subsequently registered in HI.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sheeper
A govt official born and raised in Kenya says Obama was born in Kenya and we're the nuts for looking into it? If anybody needs to question their mental stability, I'd say anybody that can swat this away without a second glance isn't running on all cylinders.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Sheeper]


yeah right...amazing isn't it that you don't look into the veracity of the supposed kenyan government official telling you this...
i guess the republican party is lying too...because they have come out and said that obama is a citizen.
and you keep saying YOU'RE LOOKING INTO IT...what?? how many years does it take to LOOK INTO IT...why don't you just come out and say that you'll NEVER believe obamas a citizen and be done with it



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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They tell you to hate Fox, and you hate fox. The way I see it, if this administration has spokespeople to literally single out and rail against Fox then I should watch Fox if I want to stay informed. Again, any administration that has hired damage control people to "fight the smears", tells me there must be some truth in there that they feel warrants a defensive attitude.

How to tell if someone is lying: Liars easily become defensive and/or angry. This may be expressed in hyperbole. If someone asks, "Are you calling me a liar?" you can be sure they are lying. Also, long winded justifications and explanations more than often indicate a lie.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Sheeper]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Alright, do you want to know why the birther's aren't engaged and debated publicly by the Obama Administration? Because you really do not matter and cannot be reasoned with!

No matter how much documentation or testimony or verification President Obama will produce, you birthers will call it fake. Your minds are already made up as this thread shows. The "Obama birth truth" is not up for debate in your mind, because you all want it to be true. You cling to this delusional "truth" you have created because it makes President Obama much easier to hate, which is really what this is about.

I'm not saying this is a race issue, or anything like that. God knows the right found ways to create to hate Bill and Hillary Clinton too. It makes it far too convenient for you though, you don't have to debate his ideas, or effectiveness or anything he actually does because you can simply hate him for a reason you've pulled out of your collective rear.

It is completely pointless to argue this out with you, I might as well be trying to convince creationists that they are wrong. It has become a matter of faith for you, there is no basis in reality any more.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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I can't believe what I havn't seen. I'm not saying that I believe he was born in Kenya, I just have to be honest with myself as a critically thinking human being. When you have signs pointing you in two directions it gets confusing.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy


No matter how much documentation or testimony or verification President Obama will produce, you birthers will call it fake.


Well, that just seems to be the pickle we "morons" are in isn't it? Not a whole lot of verification and a little too much suspicious leanings. But excuse us for paying attention, I mean far be it for people to ever lie and cheat.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Sheeper
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I can't believe what I havn't seen. I'm not saying that I believe he was born in Kenya, I just have to be honest with myself as a critically thinking human being. When you have signs pointing you in two directions it gets confusing.


Just curious because I haven't seen any signs that make me think he was born in Kenya. I mean his birth cert, the birth announcements in the paper, his timeline... And the fact that everything people come up with about his heritage and upbringing are proven false. I'm a staunch conservative and I see nothing that makes me question his birth.

And I'll go a step further. I actually think he has a good heart. He wants to do what he thinks is right. Which in politics is a rarity. I also think that he thinks he's smarter and knows better than everyone else. I also think he's not a big fan of America and what this country has stood for for the past 250 years. He thinks socialism, one world government and perpetual handouts are a good thing. He's wrong but thats honestly what he believes.

He was the most liberal senator in the country and behold he's the most liberal president ever. No shocker there. He doesn't care what the public wants, because he knows better. He doesn't view himself as a govenor of the people but an authoritarian presence who needs to enlighten America. He wants my free speech, he wants my guns, he wants my land and my money, he wants to eliminate my freedom to choose and he wants to perpetuate mediocrity by making everything ok. Anything in moderation is a good thing but moderation as a policy is inherently self destructive.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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Look, I'm sorry if this offends anybody but this whole birther movement has to be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen. I mean, you can focus on dozens of other things when it comes to being against Obama (if this is how you feel) and yet, you choose quite literally the most idiotic argument possible? Seriously?

I'm not sure what you people want. I mean it's obvious that ANY document put forward will be labelled as fake or tampered with, right? Just tell me honestly. If Obama goes out and produces whatever document you are asking for, will that really satisfy you or will you just say that it's fake?

Forget the ridiculous notion that they would let an illegible candidate run for office, let alone become president...The dems needed to win this election, why risk it all by putting an illegible candidate in the mix? ESPECIALLY seeing as, apparently, it is SO OBVIOUS that he was born in Kenya that thousands of internet detectives have been able to figure it out easily.

You know what?

George W. Bush was born in Canada. Prove me wrong. His birth certificate is fake.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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I thought this issue was long dead & buried as a racist hoax.

But this declaration, by a Kenyan government minister, changes everything. I've read the Hansard report in full, it wasn't a casual slip up to hostile questions. The minister was winding up his speech, which I assume wasn't off the cuff, it was prepared in advance for delivery on the floor of the House.

The minister might be right, he's possibly mistaken. But his words are now on the official record & unless he corrects himself promptly, the White House really does need to respond this time.

I wonder though how ATS'ers will react, though, if/when he does admit he made a mistake. Won't the claim be that "the White House" got at him ?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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All I see is a frantic attitude to control the situation, to manage how I perceive the data I am presented with, bla bla bla....Tooth and nail from you people....oy! I choose to be mindful with what I have seen, all you people say is...errrrm false...errrrrrm deeeebunked! Fact is bub, there has been no debunking, the suspicions are still there like a big fat elephant, any "proof" is negligable as all we've seen is a COLB and he really really has gone out of his way to deny us anything more and seal amongst other things his college records. We can argue and argue, but you know what, you don't actually have the proof to make this poof, other wise it wouldn't be this large of a meme, it would be fringe and disassociated by the masses. Where as this seems to be growing to the point where a serious confrontation must/will be held.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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It comes down to this ,if you want to believe that this government does not lie to you then thats your call .This is about more then where he was born ,its about the President turning into a celebrity and not a leader .It is time for the democrats and liberals and all the I BELIEVE IN CHANGE PEOPLE ,to take off your sun shine happy day rainbow glasses and wake up to the real world .The US Presidency is a joke and it saddens me deepley to know that this great nation who so many have died for has let it self be sold off bit by bit .Im sure the next Air Force and Marine One will have Beer and fast food logos on them .



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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you say what Obama "wants" from you...of course, he has never said or done any of those things....soooo...IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

because what Obama says or does IS ALWAYS THE OPPOSITE OF THE REAL TRUTH.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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I will leave you tools and fools with this, what are you so afraid of? The truth is the truth no matter how it comes out, why do you people fight it so hard. I'll tell you why, deep down in the core of your subconsious, lying there on the back of your thoughts is the cold hard logic that there is something rotten with this whole issue and whatever it is you don't want to find out. Ofcourse your all too thick to agree but it is what it is.



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