reply to post by blupblup
I agree, eastern European migrants certainly outweigh Muslims in terms of numbers, but there are some significant differences.
Namely, the Europeans tend to come here for work, earn some money and then go home again.
The "asylum seekers" of the early century and the current Muslim population are here to stay. They are also ALOT
more vocal and certainly
more demanding of us to conform to their standards. This serves to generate alot more angst towards them than is directed at the Poles etc.
Whilst you might say it isn't the immigrants "fault", this is to an extent true. However, it's the bheaviour of said immigrants (or at least a
vocal minority within them) that causes alot of the bad blood.
I know alot of people who's only beef with immigrants is that they come over here and fail to integrate and respect our culture. When and where they
do, however, I don't know anyone who has issue with them, unless they are truly racist then it doesn't matter what they do as they are seen to
simply be the wrong flavour of human.
I also agree that it is both sides spoiling the debate. The wishy-washy left for crying racism as soon as anyone opens their mouth, or the far-right
thugs who like to smack a "darkie" just because he has a higher melanin count.
The silent majority in the middle remains so, as they don't want to be labelled as one of the two groups hijacking the debate, or worse, face
I know of incidents where individuals have been arrested for distributing leaflets opposing local mosques, for example. There was never any racist
intent, just a desire to protect local culture or what have you, but Fuzz will bust their door in and have them away on "racially aggravated"
charges, thereby scaring good, honest folk from even dicussing the issue which many have a great deal to say about.
I don't seriously buy that there are that
many racists in the UK, at least in relation to the vast majority. Times have moved on, for the most
part. What people don't like to see is in the space of ten short years whole neighbourhoods changing character and even some becoming "no white
areas" where you actually risk physical harm should you dare to go there and be caucasion.
I don't think this is racism, it is a desire to not have the place you have lived in change simply because a Socialist Government tried it's hand at
social engineering and importing many who would likely vote for them in the future.
I will ask if you've seen the Dispatched programme on Islamic extremist parties getting invloved in local politics and how closely linked they are to
some senior Labour MP's. Add to that the stated aim of these groups is Islamification of the UK and you get genuine fear from the populace for the
countries future. This is compounded by the seeming unwillingness of the Government to address these fears, whatsoever.
I am glad you don't think I am a racist, but I am puzzled by your attitude to nationalism. I am proud of this country, it's achievements and the
people who live here. I simply wish to preserve what is left of England, with it's ancient democracy, world reknowned Justice system, it's fabulous
history and it's reputation for fairness.
Only in England is nationalism equated with racism, elsewhere people are expected
to have a degree of national pride and to want to preserve
their way of life. But if the English want to do it, it's boiled down to a desire to "get rid of them darkies", which has nothing to do with it
I work with a Ghanain, 2 South Africans, 2 Russians and a Ukrainian. I have mates from all ethnic groups and even have a couple of Gay friends. I am
as liberal as they come, but I still love my country. Nationalism or being proud of your heritage shouldn't be something to be ashamed of nor should
it automatically equate to me having a crew cut and go hunting pakistani's on a chilly winters night...
Surely, as a nation, we should be looking out for ourselves first? Other nations certainly do. Our Government has let us down in this regard, majorly.
Especially with examples like this article where the "needs" of one group are being placed above the needs of another.