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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:47 PM
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I didn't believe I'd be able to find any information about the monk, but after posting the above, thought it was worth at least trying to find further information

LOL. My grip on Time is shaky. The event took place in 1998. Or maybe it's a different news item



Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused predicting
Correct lottery predictions Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused of predicting correct lottery predictions The authorities in Thailand have charged a Buddhist monk alleged to have predicted winning lottery numbers with violating clerical codes. The monk, Phra Khru Sangharak,
news .bbc .co .uk/ 2/ low/ asia-pacific/ 57835 .stm





Wednesday, 18 February, 1998, 13:44 GMT
Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused of predicting correct lottery predictions


The authorities in Thailand have charged a Buddhist monk alleged to have predicted winning lottery numbers with violating clerical codes.

The monk, Phra Khru Sangharak, is said to have made correct predictions in eleven straight draws, causing havoc among Bangkok's bookmakers.

Senior monks in Thailand have close links with the government, and a BBC corresondent says the authorities are concerned that his alleged activities will harm the image of Buddhism.

But Phra Khru Sangharak, who faces expulsion from his temple and the monkhood, has denied making any predictions.

He says followers guessed the numbers by looking at wax drippings from candles he uses during ceremonies.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service



www.thaipro.com.../2/low/asia-pacific/57835.stm

www.thaipro.com...



Whether divined from snakes' eggs or wax drippings, makes no practical difference

Eleven straight, correct predictions


Proving the future was written. That future is out there. Using various means, some people are able to access that written future --- before it takes places in (take your pick here) 'reality', 'now', 'present', 'our Time'




posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Dock9
I didn't believe I'd be able to find any information about the monk, but after posting the above, thought it was worth at least trying to find further information

LOL. My grip on Time is shaky. The event took place in 1998. Or maybe it's a different news item



Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused predicting
Correct lottery predictions Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused of predicting correct lottery predictions The authorities in Thailand have charged a Buddhist monk alleged to have predicted winning lottery numbers with violating clerical codes. The monk, Phra Khru Sangharak,
news .bbc .co .uk/ 2/ low/ asia-pacific/ 57835 .stm





Wednesday, 18 February, 1998, 13:44 GMT
Thai authorities charge Buddhist monk accused of predicting correct lottery predictions


The authorities in Thailand have charged a Buddhist monk alleged to have predicted winning lottery numbers with violating clerical codes.

The monk, Phra Khru Sangharak, is said to have made correct predictions in eleven straight draws, causing havoc among Bangkok's bookmakers.

Senior monks in Thailand have close links with the government, and a BBC corresondent says the authorities are concerned that his alleged activities will harm the image of Buddhism.

But Phra Khru Sangharak, who faces expulsion from his temple and the monkhood, has denied making any predictions.

He says followers guessed the numbers by looking at wax drippings from candles he uses during ceremonies.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service



www.thaipro.com.../2/low/asia-pacific/57835.stm

www.thaipro.com...



Whether divined from snakes' eggs or wax drippings, makes no practical difference

Eleven straight, correct predictions


Proving the future was written. That future is out there. Using various means, some people are able to access that written future --- before it takes places in (take your pick here) 'reality', 'now', 'present', 'our Time'









That's amazing. I believe everyone has a path and if fate exists then he must have been fated to do so and for thingsto go no other way. Had it not been his fate i'm sure he'd do something else remarkable as he truly must have a gift.

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Found a bit more on the story




Wednesday April 01 1998

A BUDDHIST MONK in Thailand faces being disrobed ``if he even hints'' to colleagues what the winning numbers of the next national lottery will be.


Luang Phor Niwet, who has successfully predicted winning numbers, would be banished from his the monkhood and his temple, if he did not desist immediately from his prophesying, the Religious Affairs Department warned yesterday.

Although he had not predicted the full sequence of national lottery numbers, on 15 occasions he has successfully given the last three digits which are the subject of betting in thousands of illegal betting shops.

Lung Phor Nivet has started a cottage industry of lottery handbooks to highlight his predications and every week thousands flock to his temple to see if he will tip them the wink.

He claims he has stopped making his predictions public but sometimes lottery punters jump to their own conclusions when they see how the wax falls from candles forming numbers during his ceremonies.

( The Times, London)


www.independent.ie...


Slightly different version



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Zerra
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Not really at all. Haveyou studied philosophy? Anything with an understanding of how fate works? How on earth can a psychic get a vision about lottery numbers if it is NOT their fate to win it? That was my point. Getting a vision would mean it was their fate- but you said they SHOULD get visions of it- but how can they if it isn't their fate to have it????? That makes nooooo sense.


That's right. It makes no sense. A psychic can presumably foresee predestined events, such as a lottery drawing, but also cannot see it because it's not their "fate"? That is 100% contradictory.

There is no particular evidence of fate, nor predestined events, nor psychic ability. Using an unproven notion such as fate to provide an excuse for the failure of the unproven abilities of psychic powers amounts to an excuse. And arguably the least convincing one so far. Let's see some proof and evidence instead of excuses.



psychics do not claim to see 'all' I'm sorry if you think that. I can't see everything, only what 'they' above want us too. It's not like in the movies and I think to understand better you need to learn more about our own 'laws' and how it works-not just assume abilities mean what movies say so. You were asking for an answer, I didn't give an excuse I gave an answer. You can't ask a Christian or a Hindu about a belief and think you'll get scientific proof. You have to approach it from a cultural anthropological standpoint-being understanding of how their beliefs work-not of how your own work. If you ask a Christian How could Jesus be raised from the dead and they answer- b.c he was the son of God- and you say - that's an excuse!! using he's the son of god..where's the prrooof????? Then you lack understanding into how their belief system works.
.That is what understanding is about- I'm not asking you to 'believe' but to understand a different viewpoint than your own. If you're still thinking psychics see all and hear all you've been watching the wrong stuff.

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lol I was just thinking about what it would be like to have flashes in your head every moment of a future event- that would get so chaotic. Glad it doesn't work that way. As I said, I saved my dad's life using it. I didn't control it- It came to me and I followed directions. I was indeed a lucky girl being so young when it happened.

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 11:14 PM
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As in most things, it cuts down to believers, non-believers and those undecided

Many commence as disbelievers. Some remain so all their lives. I have no argument with them

Others commence as disbelivers and then something (or more than one event) happens, and they change their stance

What usually makes a believer out of a disbeliever, is personal experience. After all, if you've had a dream or vision which later came true, you begin to ask 'How did that happen ? How could I have known something before the fact like that ? '

So then, you're more alert to a repeat of the situation. And this makes you more receptive, thus you're more inclined to pay attention to your dreams, visions, etc.

Others may never experience this themselves, but they might receive information from someone else which later comes true

It also happens that people hear about someone who's accurately predicted the future for someone else. This might incline the first person to visit a psychic. But of course, there are 'good' and 'bad' psychics. Just as there are good and bad cosmetic surgeons and hairdressers and household electricians



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:06 AM
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I saw an interesting video of a dog that would go to the front door within 11 seconds of when his master made a decision to come home from about 500 miles away. I'd call that psychic ability, or some energy we don't understand. Probably something strange going on at a quantum level.

Here's some more on the subject:
boingboing.net...



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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Psychics have gone by many different names throughout history, in ancient history they were considered prophets or seers.


or shaman, holyman etc

as the adage says, don't throw the baby with the water of the bath.

if psychic/telepath whatever are being recognized through out history and geography, there is some very real stuff behind that is not a manipulation trick.

i'm not disagreeing with points made in the OP, just saying keep an open mind: telepathic phenomenon are as real as cheaters.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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i don't agree with your terminology;

believers are believers, opinion is based on belief, not experience

(NB: me was a strong Cartesian non-believer before experience came to rescue a decade ago)

a telepathic story of mine 3 years ago:

classical music concert on a public place.
one (very nice) girl i just met a few days before and barely knew was seating at this concert; i come to seat just behind her where there was a bit of space for me.
she sees me, give me a (very nice) smile, turn the head back toward the musicians.

She had a paper-bag of peanuts (with the shell)

i like this girl, music is good, very nice time;
then this idea come to my mind : try a telepathic connection during the performance.

I try to think at something very particular that could not possibly happen "naturally". And i think : she has this peanut bag and she might offer me some any time. So what's the way to offer peanut from this paper-bag ? either she gives the bag either she propose to pour some peanuts into my hand.

And so i came up with that message "give me just one peanut from your bag, just one, don't ask me nothing, just give me the one peanut and basta"

I meditated on that about 10/15 minutes; then released it, nothing was happening so i gave my full attention back to the musicians.

Well guess what:

less than 10 minutes later, she suddenly took one peanut from the bag, turns around and put in my hand the one peanut !!!

i was astonished...
then about 15/20 seconds later maybe wondering why she gave me just one peanut she offered me more from the bag (the "natural" way)

the sad part of the story is that we got separated at the end of the concert by massive move of people (that was in india) and we never met again.

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:47 AM
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I made a lamp shade jump off of the light bulb the other night without touching it.

I nearly # myself when I saw it happen.


It was the first time something spiritual has ever happened because of me and that I noticed it for sure.

Trust me, I did check for possible gusts of wind or maybe seismic activity and if anything, the shade wouldn't move(as in wind and stuff) or if I shook it the shade would fall but would get caught by the bulb itself.

So clearly staring at this lamp I witnessed the shade JUMP from its position and scare the shizzle out of me. It is a great feeling witnessing yourself cause something as I would love to have everyone in the world know that they have the power even if they don't think they do.

Meditate, learn and listen to your inner being.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by Jim Scott
I saw an interesting video of a dog that would go to the front door within 11 seconds of when his master made a decision to come home from about 500 miles away. I'd call that psychic ability, or some energy we don't understand. Probably something strange going on at a quantum level.

Here's some more on the subject:
boingboing.net...


The research by Rupert Sheldrake is amazing. (All experiments conducted 'double-blind' in that the researchers nor subjects are prone to 'Researcher Effect" more commonly known as 'Hawthorne Effect.')

Rupert Sheldrake Site

Thanks for jogging my memory.



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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 08:58 AM
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TD,

Well, the only thing I will give you kudos for is the fact that you are taking skepticism to a very new level. Did you stop believing in Santa Claus at the age of 4 or 5? It seems to me that you are a very "see it to believe it" type person, and I don't blame you for that.

(and btw this is not an attack on you. I appreciate your skepticism...keeps us real sensitives on our toes)

However, in order to truly understand psychic phenomena, you must first understand the study of philosophy as a whole as well as metaphysics. It's hard to open your mind to a concept that is foreign to you, and I don't blame you for that. However, to accuse all people with some sort of psychic ability as frauds is ridiculous (it's like someone that said "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"). My abilities have saved lives in more than one occasion. I know what I experience, and I know what I see. Have I ever predicted lottery numbers? Hell no. Do I want to? Hell no. Money is the root of all evil, and I think to keep pushing the lottery number debate is just beating a dead horse. I would suggest doing your own research and then coming back to have a more equal debate, because as of right now, the lottery number thing is no longer working as an argument. As I said before, I believe that there are varying strengths of psychic ability, and maybe some can do it, if that is what their fate allows to do. Zerra was absolutely correct in saying that if it is not our fate to win the lottery, no matter how hard we try to predict the numbers, it will not happen.

And some sensitives, like myself, can only see possible outcomes based on what I can see in the person's life. Like I said in my initial post, I have never had a disappointed client when I did a reading for them, and I used details, times, and places on the first meeting, and that was without leading the person into divulging information.

Science doesn't have all the answers my friend.

Thank you for keeping the skepticism up, because it keeps all of us sensitives on our toes.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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Seen it said many times that a psychic should take the offer from James Randi. But I then have to wonder why one would?

Sure there are shams all over the place these days, and most of those aren't in service to humanity but only service to themselves and the chosen lifestyle. For sure these would not take the risk with the Randi million $$ for fear of being seen through as a sham.

But what of the few who are real? The odd one or two that I've known are not into Money, Fame or Lifestyle. In fact, these people prefer to live simply, be ruthlessly honest at all times, and are in service to humanity. You can tell because anyone can afford to see them, instead of only the more wealthy.

How do I know this about one or two people I've met? Because I am one of those few I know... funny about that.

I don't have a problem with the OP, and all it says. I would and have warned people against going to a sham psychic for sure.. not to get work, but to insure they are not lied to and misled.

These days I have retired from working professionally, Yay!!, and only now give what I get for free.. and I am much happier doing this than charging money for what is free information to me.

How it works for me:-

When I first meet a client I am nervous as hell, because I want to help them and as good psychics will tell you, we suffer from self-doubt almost as a means to keep our ego balanced.

First thing I do is tell them not to tell me information up front. I don't like it when they tell you everything before you get started, it takes the fun out of finding it for myself.

We sit, I prepare myself.. no Om'ing either
When I'm ready I just look at their energy centres.. the chakra.. to see what is going on in the person's life. Once I connect it opens up into a specific counselling session.

I don't tell fortunes, I counsel people through a clearer understanding of the issues they are facing in life. At times I get images of places they will move to, or such things. At times I get a dead relative come into the room to communicate. All good there too, as I love working with the dead and the living.

At times we use a photo or belonging of someone to lock into them for information.. this is a simple process.. I feel the hard-copy picture or object in my hand.. then close my eyes to see where the Light is shining. It always shows me the person.. if going on an object I then have to describe the person's looks so the client knows I am not lying to them. If working from a photo I tell the client something about the target that they know.. which lets them know I am not lying to them. Most important that, not lying.

Other things happen too. At times, well, most times, I look to their higher-self.. the thing that represents the soul they are.. and it always shows itself in a symbolic way that provides a lot of information about what needs to be worked on in the session.

Interestingly, they do not appear as you see in those Guide Paintings for sale at psychic fairs.. or what I call the Circus.

So information comes in various ways for me, in pictures and 'movies', verbally through the dead or higher-self, a strong feeling that comes in with the client, etc.

Okay, I'm done.. sitting back now to watch the show... I'm wearing my flame-retardant suit okay?



Edit for terrible spelling.. fingers too old to type properly now.

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:00 AM
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Psi is a gift that can be pushed and expanded in all consciousness, and must be,its the next step in human evolution and as we're infinite, from the Beyond and the Cosmos we already know this if we turn off the mind control from the media and institutions and meditate and look within.

They know it too and have conducted thousands of experiments by countless leading universities and research centers, both above board and black op.

This video touches some of that and the findings, I took notes!



"Science and the taboo of psi" with Dean Radin



In four studies done:
1981-Congressional Research Service
1985-Army Research Institute
1987-National Research Council
1989-Office of Technology Assessment

All concluded something interesting was going on.
(including sketpics)

For example, review of the "remote viewing" evidence for the CIA 1995, just as the classified program was becoming unclassified:

Jessica Utts, Prof. of Statistics, UC Davis (she is a world renowned methodologist besides being a statitician, one would think she knows what she is talking about)

Her conclusion was: Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established.

Ray Hyman, Prof. of Psychology, University o Oregon, very well known skeptic

His conclusion was: -free of methodological weaknesses.
-effect sizes...are too large and consistent to be dismisses as statistical flukes....



-----This has been studied in laboratories in a method called Ganzfeld, whole field. Sender/receiver. They use a method to put someone in a near dream state very quickly. Comfy chair under a red light, covering for eyes which are wide open with a red light shining on them so all they can see behind the eye covers is red, and headphones on with white noise. This is to induce a state of visual and auditory hallucinations.


The senders job is to think of something and try and inject those thoughts into the reciever's experience. The reciever is encouraged to speak aloud, to mentate whatever is going on in their minds. The mentation is taken on a one way audio transmission back to the sender revise their mental sending strategy. The target is chosen randomly from a pool of targets which is as different from each other as you can get, ie. rose, microscope, elephant, anchor....If sender sends elephant, and you're lucky, reciever will start talking about big animals, and Africa.

Then you take the receiver out of the room, show them the random topics, of which one, say the elephant was in, and play back what they spoke and then ask them to choose which one best corresponds to their experience.

Random chance is, they will choose the right one 1/4 times.

The chance of getting it right is 1/4. Places ranging from Harvard University, McGill University, Montreal, University of Leningrad, Cambridge University and many others have done this kind of study since 1920's.

The cumulative results of about 3,145 such sessions in in 25 labs is: chance is about 25%, the actual hit rate is about 32%. This is all studies combined, typically of college sophomores, people who are available and interested. But if you look at special populations in particular (creative populations, siblings, high openness, previous experience) the studies that narrow this done have found that their hit rate is not 32%, but its actually 65%....



The above info relates that over 3000 tests for telepathy have been done, repeatable procedures with good protocol, in 25 labs.

The average random response is 25%, the hit rate chosing often science students, or left hemisphere subjects is 32% 7 % above expectations and ruled out chance!

In the more specific studies, where they selected those right hemisphere, such as creative individuals, or anyone with a previous experience the findings were 65%, that is 40% above the expected findings!

Now the data has also been reviewed both by gurus, and then by panels of professionals scoring the gurus, ie. approving or dissaproving the logic of their jugments:



What happens when people review this data?

Repeatable evidence for telepathy

--1985-Chuck Honorton, one of the principal researchers did an anaylysis and concluded that the results looked like there really was telepathy going on: yes.

--1985-Ray Hyman looked at the same data and he concluded: no.

10 pyschologists and statisticians were asked to comment on both what Hyman and Honorton had concluded. None agreed with Hyman, including 4 who had no previously held opinion about the topic.

--1994-Bem and Honorton: yes

--1999-Milton and Wiseman: yes

--2001-Storm and Ertel: yes



---What happens when skeptical researchers do the sutideis: Finding and Correcting Flawed Research Literatures publishd in the Humanistic Psychologist. After 8 studies they had an overall hit rate of 32% Identical to the overall stats found in the analysis of all test irregardless of subjects. They then concluded that this was "precariously close to demonstrating that humans do have psychic powers."


These are extremely significant findings, and more than prove, repeatedly over and over that humans beings show great psi potential.

I have read debunking attempts on the Dean Radin. Irrelevant! The data includes over 3000 institutions,leading universites, done with strict protocol, and have been under peer review. So singling out any one presenter for attack is irrelevant at this point!

Findings of overall 7% above average, and in creative groups, 40% above average, or a 65% accuracy, is should demonstrate to us that we need to start working at developing our natural psi gifts, and do this grass roots under the radar, because the powers that be, won't like it.


Now, to have missed reporting these significant findings all along and developing this from school on was irresponsible and illogical, since these percentages are considered huge in the scientific world, they recommend heart patients take aspirin in emergency rooms, as post care advice, when the statistic that aspirin helps heart attack patients is TINY ALBEIT REPEATABLE AS WELL!



-Individuals vary, and studies vary in results. But effects are real and even small effects are statistically real in science. He then goes on to talk about two specific examples, a series of studies down about breast implants and connective tissue disease, and aspirin preventing heart attacks. The results were very small but measurable, ie. less than .00% result found in the breast implant and connective tissue disease, but still it was found to be real, therefore these implants were removed from the market. And Aspirin, which prevents heart attacks, but the effect size is really tiny, .03%, but still real enough for Bayer Aspirin to get approval from the FDA to say this and sell aspirin to prevent heart attacks.



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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Your posts are most insightful, I do beleive what you're saying. I know from personal experience, you see, maybe not lottery winnings, but still in 2004, I think; it may have been 2004,maybe 2003, but anyway I was given the numbers of a certain ball game's (Final) scores, I gave that to a few people, one of which used it and made money off of it, he was present and one of the people I told, I beleive he was the one meant to recieve this information. Proof that open minds can be accessed, and I hadn't been psychic for years before that...somehow I still received the information I guess it was because I was meditating & also actively trying to open the channels again. By the way my point numbers for the final score were dead on, exact! I also told my stepdaughter the score and we watched the game, you should've seen her face when the final score was reached. She was totally convinced about psychic ability then. Also during this time my friend was worried about her health and I read her cards, it said she would be having a major issue and that not to worry it would be taken care of, she would come out of it fine. I moved away and later found out she had breast cancer and was treated and came away from it fine. She even recalled the reading and was astonished how creepily close The cards were. And it also said she'd be pregnant after that a year or two later and she did and she had twins! She thought she was pregnant when she asked the question, that's why it told her about her women's issues alone. These are things that proove to me everyday that it is possible, even if you're not "actively" psychic, if only you open the channels, even the OP could access these things to a degree.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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Having experienced firsthand psychic experiences on my own, it begins to convince one that there is something that we can't readily explain going on.

Throughout my life, I have had prophetic dreams that guide and warn me of future events.

I can always tell it's one of "those" dreams because i can distinctly remember the message of the dream the following day.

The Native Americans say that our deceased relatives are the source of this information and are looking out for us as guardian angels.

I had an experience with Psychic which was very much accurate.

I was having some trepidation about my fiancee at the time, primarily due to my having had one of those prophetic dreams telling me that she was being unfaithful.

Having trust in my six sense, but unsure as to it's validity, I went to an astrologer/psychic whom was referred and recommended by a good friend who is a psychic herself.

No TV mumbo jumbo.

She only asked for my own as well as and my fiancee at the time, first name and birthday.

The psychic then came up with a myriad of factual information about my Fiancee and our relationship and finally was spot on as to why I was there for a reading.

She warned me that she was unfaithful as well as with whom.

She also told me that if I remained with her, I would face lots of duress and financial difficulty.

Giving me a date by which I needed to break things off or else she wouldn't leave.

I recorded the session and everything that she had said was factual and/or came true.

We broke off the engagement, and shortly afterwards, my EX ends up breaking her Bosses marriage. Marrying her Boss which is what the psychic had said.

Once she married him and was able to claim half of his wealth, she promptly took him to the cleaners by divorcing him.

After my experience, between my dream and what the psychic confirmed in my reading it's difficult for me to label all of them as frauds.

For The $30. I spent on that reading saved me quite a bit of $$$ in the long run. And in retrospect was possibly the best $30. I've ever spent.



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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeker1984
And some sensitives, like myself, can only see possible outcomes based on what I can see in the person's life.


To be fair though, psychologists, psychiatists, magicians and hell, even salesmen can display similar traits.

Thanks for the respectable discourse. While I won't say that psychic ability is not real I will say that the most salient and convincing methods to prove the existence and efficacy of psychic ability is never acted upon and proven once and for all. I find this quite suspicious. And as evidenced in the OP, most of the seemingly convincing techniques employed by psychics are commonly understood tricks.

Given these circumstances, how would one claiming psychic ability go about convincng the hardcore skeptic such as myself?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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all those poor people are suckered in by john edwards maybe they should be invited to this site their oppinion is sure to change



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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To be fair though, psychologists, psychiatists, magicians and hell, even salesmen can display similar traits.


This is very true. However, I am able to do this without knowing anything about a person. People that I have worked with will refer me to their friends, and these people will only send me an email with a time and place that they want to meet. Within 5 minutes of seeing the person I go into my reading.

A typical reading goes like this: we meet at a public location, whether it be a coffee shop, outdoor cafe, etc. I say hello, and explain that I do not want to know anything about them other than their first name. I close my eyes (which is very important, because many of the shams will read facial expressions and body language as tells that they are on the right track) and then go into my reading. Once I have completed what I have felt and seen in their life, I give them the chance to ask me questions. I answer those to the best of my ability of foresight and what I have read from them with my initial reading. Like I have said before, I have never taken a dime for my reading, and I never will. I think the most someone ever did was buy me a cup of coffee, which I even tried to refuse at the beginning because it does cloud my mind (the act of receiving something for my gift, not the coffee itself).

To answer your question about why someone won't just come out and prove it once and for all: Well, parapsychology and the exploration of such by those particular scientists has gotten about as much scientific clout as the people that go out and search for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. I think the big worry in many of our minds is that we will be ridiculed and ostracized just as we have been for centuries. Quite honestly, I don't think science is ready for the discovery of actual Psi power, and as such, it relegates the knowledge and exploration of such abilities to the realm of pseudo-science.

I really do appreciate that you are keeping a skeptical mind about the existence of true psychics, because there are so many shams out there. I kept a very skeptical view on things until I saved my Mom's life one night. She was supposed to be driving to get my sister from a late night football game that she was at. I had a vision while I was in a grad school class that her jeep was in a mangled wreck and that she had died (I saw which intersection she was at, and I saw what vehicle hit her's). I immediately excused myself from class, called her, and begged her to stay home and let my brother go pick my sister up from the game. She listened to me. Well, later that evening, a kid driving the same exact jeep that my Mom drives was killed in an accident that happened the same exact way that I saw it. Except it was him and not my mother. He blew through a stop light and was T-Boned by the same Hummer that I saw on the driver's side of the jeep. He was killed instantly.

I've had other similar experiences with similar outcomes. Now, many times that is how my "sixth sense" works. It comes as shocking visions that require me to immediately call the concerned parties. I don't think that I could duplicate that particular branch of my abilities in a lab situation, nor would I want to. It takes a lot of energy out of me, and I feel a very large amount of stress---as if I was hit by a freight train.

As far as my other abilities, well, I've already touched on those topics, and I can tell you that I am not a cold reader by any sense of the imagination. I occasionally do readings by email if someone asks me to, but those situations are very rare because of the amount of energy and concentration that I need to do these types of readings.

Honestly, I think that these types of abilities are touch and go dependent on the situation at hand, the person that is being read, and the amount of open-mindedness that someone may or may not have. In a laboratory setting I think it would be very hard to do something like this. To me it feels as if the negative energy that they produce keeps us from getting an accurate reading.

But with all of that being said, the EEG's that I had done (which I mentioned in a previous post) showed abnormal patterns while I was reading cards that were in a separate room. My friend said that the findings were still inconclusive, but interesting.

Thank you for the respectful debate. I appreciate it when skeptics can at least listen to the other side of the debate without being overly judgmental.

Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Given these circumstances, how would one claiming psychic ability go about convincng the hardcore skeptic such as myself?


Have you ever been in love or loved?

What "convinced" you?
Words, actions, thoughts, feelings?
Displays of affection?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeker1984
But with all of that being said, the EEG's that I had done (which I mentioned in a previous post) showed abnormal patterns while I was reading cards that were in a separate room. My friend said that the findings were still inconclusive, but interesting.


That is interesting. I have a few forms of synasthesia and it has been said that people experiencing synaesthesia have abnormal brain patterns that are similar to the abnormal brain patterns exhibited by people performing psychic tests in the lab. It seems we have a similar oddity, my abnormal brain patterned brother.




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