agenda setting in progress : these rare, big, disturbing events cannot be just coincidental

reply to post by Rosha


it's great the way you explain this although i'm not entirely sure they are dealing with the conspiracy people the same way they dealt with muslims. time will tell.

mass awakening is the only acceptable solution (utopia i know, but can you come up with any other realistic objectives ?); and unfortunately the only one i'm afraid.

a huge ant work, soul after soul.

to create a society based on duties (rather than rights) that doesn't need government... but that requires consciousness.

as a matter of fact we don't need them, but they need us.

but nobody knows that and this ignorance only is holding the card castle altogether.

i think about these things for years and i don't see any other way that would work (i thought about a humanist dictatorship led by a council of philosophers/spiritual masters/scientific humanist genius - tesla or einstein like - but no army will do the work to set that up unless they awake but then we don't need no more government if even the army has awaken)

reply to post by brianmg5


"humans" have been turned to sheep millenia ago and they act the way they are told to act.

so i don't understand what you're saying.

why should i be surprise when i try to expose that mass behaviours are totally manipulated by PTB through MSM.

or maybe you're talking about the psychopaths ? they don't surprise me either but then i don't understand how you can generalize to "humans" to call those very few.

i know how human act when they are free from the matrix : as human and believe me it is a beautiful life without fears, tensions or fights.

reply to post by ::.mika.::


Well, i believe 'they' want to cause riots in countries where the leaders aren't on board with the NWO, so leaders can be put in place who are, which is really the reason for overthrowing and replacing so many leaders in the mid east. The only role the MSM played in that was to stir up negative feelings towards Muslims so citizens would encourage any military actions in their lands, no matter how dubious. 'They' also probably want to cause as many economic problems as possible so they can use it as evidence that a global currency is needed.

We only disagree on minor details. I agree there is a global agenda, and these events are part of it, but my point is, if TPTB want to change a country they'll simply create that reality through military force or staged scandals, and the MSM just mop up after. There's no need to prepare people when you can orchestrate an event overnight which most people in a country will go along with. For example, there was no buildup to 9/11, it just happened one day, and the media was there to present it in the desired way.

Originally posted by Risen
reply to post by ::.mika.::

 

We only disagree on minor details.

For example, there was no buildup to 9/11, it just happened one day, and the media was there to present it in the desired way.

that insidious build up doesn't happen through events but take the form of small side informations/documentaries/movies... shown here and there, covering the full spectrum of the media, for month if not years before the event happen (be it presidential election, false flag, war or whatever story they'll come up with - 2012?).

Then the event happen and the politic come to say what the sheeple wants to hear : the opinion contained in those small very subjective infos absorbed over time unconsciously.
the politic formulate the opinion for them, and from behind their tv screen, they suddenly exclaim very proudly : "vow this guy is so damn right".

this happen i promise you. In france, in 5 years they changed the division in the public opinion (it started around 2000 ) : it used to be workers/owners, it became workers/nonworkers.

sarkozy (dwarf the 1st) made it to president with such stupid slogans as "work more to earn more" opening the door to hatred by the sheeple toward the poorest and the immigrates. everybody asking for more damn security and more freedom to the corporations.

How you change those social divisions and public preoccupations in such a short time in a country like france historically very socialistic compared to the rest of europe without a perfectly planned media campaign ?

the small info (big for the alternative side but small for the sheeple) about the bank con by msm is one of those stimuli they put on purpose in sheeple mind before a planned something to prepare public opinion. It doesn't just happen like that, by chance.

it's the matrix remember, it's programmed.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by ::.mika.::]

Throw a dart at a calendar of the last 100 years and you can be guranteed to "pick" key disturbing events. They always happen, the vast majority get resolved. For example as of today:
* the greeks will get a help from the EEC and the IMF
* The pilot of the plane was advised by the ground (russians!) not to land the plane due to thick fog but was pressurised by the onboard VIP's to ignore that advice......

So no greek riots and collapse, no russian conspiracy.

I've been here on ATS for years and years and all these "coming events of doom", "NWO take over"," UFO disclosure" etc etc have all come to nought.

What does that tell you?

reply to post by ::.mika.::


I too have been noticing a disturbing trend.

That trend, coinciding with everyone getting the feeling something is about to happen, makes me think maybe there is something to the 2012 thing after all....

Basically, I agree with you except for this little gem:

"since it is fact that haarp style facilities can trigger natural disasters, we shall add the recent increase in earthquakes/volcanic activities that seem to be observed all around (was Haïti also a test trial for military invasion following natural disaster..."

I dont think its a "FACT" per se. But it is a common theory people like to throw around on here whenever an earthquake or storm hits...

reply to post by ::.mika.::


The actors change but the dynamics remain the same as they are that effective.

Awakening is only as good as the decisions that preceed it and the actions that follow it. Unclarified awakening can do just as much harm as remaining ignorant.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by On the Edge

 

Originally posted by On the Edge

Why do you bring Christian beliefs and scripture into threads? It does not seem to advance or address the issues the OP brought up. Please don't take this as an attack. I am derailing the thread myself for responding to you and others in discussions on Christian scripture in this thread.

Are you aware of the many religious texts that are of non-Christian origin? Many religions have end time legends, and those legends do not follow the bible's interpretation of the end times. Others have no end time prophecies at all. It seems pointless to bring religious end time prophecy into threads like these. It redirects the thread into a religious debate. Since we have partially derailed the thread, let me ask you a question. U2U me if you want so the thread can go back to the OP information.

Are you a type of Christian the dismisses any and all non-Christian religious texts?

No need to respond in private. I'll answer your question for all to see.

To start with,the Bible is accurate 100% of the time. Google "accuracy of Bible prophecy" and look at some facts. While regarding furure events,there have been many incorrect interpretations,but in retrospect,they are never wrong.

Two,actually,I find other prophecies strongly enforce what the Bible says.
The people who are waiting for the "Maitreya" fulfill the prophecy of the coming anti-christ,for instance.

Many of the "2012" prophecies from various sources have some truth to them,about "the end times".

I can't think what some other ones are right now,but that's not my point anyway. If you want to compare them all,you're free to do so.

My mind is already made up as to what I believe,and the word of God is my number one source. So,while I find it fascinating when other prophecies resemble the Bible's,I wouldn't stake my life on them. I have staked my life on my faith in God.

So even if I turn out to be wrong,that doesn't mean that God is a liar. Anyway,people far smarter than myself are seeing the same fulfillments taking place,and it's nice knowing I'm not alone. We are told to "Watch!",and that is what we do.

"And I set watchmen over you, saying, 'Listen to the sound of the trumpet!' But they said, 'We will not listen.'(Jeremiah 6:17)

I'm responding to the OP.

note worthy and interesting read.
a flag from me.

i like to lean toward the logical and some measure of faith in humanity.
by this i mean i like to ponder what possible situations/conditions would have to exist to make their actions and behaviors (world leaders) consistant with what's best for their own species?

Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a controversial approach to psychotherapy and organizational change based on "a model of interpersonal communication chiefly concerned with the relationship between successful patterns of behaviour and the subjective experiences (esp. patterns of thought) underlying them" and "a system of alternative therapy based on this which seeks to educate people in self-awareness and effective communication, and to change their patterns of mental and emotional behaviour".

you might be on to something.

corporations hijacking the communications that take place at sub-conscious levels and utilizing it to "steer" the population???

and a pacifist just pass a fist onto the next generation while not fighting their own fights.

just a thought.

Perhaps some of you may want to read some of Herbert W. Armstrong's books. He was religious author that my dad used to read. I thumbed through some of his books lately since the start of this second cold war.

It's scary how accurate he was in predicting the collapse of Russia (long before the Iron Curtain was felled) as well as it's re-birth and rise once again. Also he predicted the rise of China and the alliance of the two. He also predicted the United States of Europe, which of course would be the European Union and it's quest for world dominance.

You guys should check out some of this stuff. I'm about as far as you can get from organized religion, but this guy saw a lot of this coming and long, long time ago. Some may not like it though because it gets really hellfire and brimstone and goes into Christ return and the battle of Armageddon.

Anyway, if you're a Christian you might find it interesting. Or if you just really enjoy a good read. I really only read horror novels, but I couldn't put his books down.

reply to post by tyranny22



"God gave the prophecies, not to gratify men's curiosity by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and His own providence, not the interpreter's, be thereby manifested to the world."-Isaac Newton

And with so much history behind us confirming the scriptures,there is no reason to think the rest will not be fulfilled.

Something to keep in mind when thinking about prophecy!

So when you see the one world government and one world religion,worldwide economic collapse and increasing devastation,you know it is happening.

I hope your dad is still alive to see these things! I'm glad that his interest caught your attention. "Truth is Stranger than Fiction"!


[edit on 12-4-2010 by On the Edge]

[edit on 12-4-2010 by On the Edge]

Originally posted by malcr

* the greeks will get a help from the EEC and the IMF

that tells me nothing good to come;

the imf, please... who run the imf ? you tell me? EU is not any better... and the question remain.

the plane crash might be out of place and coincidental or having a different purpose than to create chaos, time will tell only.

we could replace with

* Amhadinejad asking 5 millions (!!!) people to move out of teheran...

* Obama organizing a conference on nuclear terrorism...

NB: in france and us, at least, the thorough law "update" started in 2001, is complete (with the healthcare bill in us).

I fully accept i could be totally paranoid as much as It's very hard for me to exclude the possibility that we just moved to next step in the global agenda (whatever is the plan).

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


the fight awaiting us is of a new sort: it's happening in collective consciousness, ether world, the soul dimension, the spiritual realm that we reach through consciousness.

in other worlds: the real war, the one PTB has not start and will lost, won't take place in the physical world.

in the physical world as some posters here point out very well, whether we fight, whether we don't, but either way they win.

if the reader have no idea what i'm talking about, he may call me nutjob or he may keep an open mind on these things, out of beliefs. his choice.



[edit on 12-4-2010 by ::.mika.::]

Here is the movie "Manufacturing Consent" with Noam Chomsky which I think supports your theory. The book is much better!

Google Video Link

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Leo Strauss]

NO REST QUITE YET... MORE LIKE ESCALATION :

* Russia chose a side !

www.abovetopsecret.com...

* Israel war mongers

www.abovetopsecret.com...

* Displacement of people in Iran

www.abovetopsecret.com...

* Greece on its way to be officially taken over by IMF&EU

More and more events will happen at an ever accelerating rate towards a change in earths collective soul to the light. The collective thought of the universe is changing our direction to the light. The seven seals are being opened by Obama

TOG

Originally posted by nixie_nox
History is always busy. Just because technology has it in your face 24/7 doesn't mean there is any more or any less of it.

This is the most accurate and truthful point to be made imo. The problem with technology is that we are bombarded with all the events that are occurring around the world nonstop. History IS always busy we just never new every last detail of every inch of the globe 24/7 before tv/radio/internet became so prevalent in society. Think about the info overload available on this site alone. It's a little like a nosy neighbor with no life. You never realize anything negative is going on in your neighborhood until you have a retired old man who observes every argument or consipiracy going on a few houses down.

Originally posted by tdatreefrog

Originally posted by nixie_nox
History is always busy. Just because technology has it in your face 24/7 doesn't mean there is any more or any less of it.

This is the most accurate and truthful point to be made imo. The problem with technology is that we are bombarded with all the events that are occurring around the world nonstop. History IS always busy we just never new every last detail of every inch of the globe 24/7 before tv/radio/internet became so prevalent in society. Think about the info overload available on this site alone. It's a little like a nosy neighbor with no life. You never realize anything negative is going on in your neighborhood until you have a retired old man who observes every argument or consipiracy going on a few houses down.

i'm sorry but both have of you have totally missed out the topic, the theory of agenda setting and the use of NLP, hence reactions out of topic.

the msm are not reflecting events happening in the world thanks to technology, the msm are feeding the mass with content.

this content is chosen with extreme minutiae in order to drive public opinion over the years toward the acceptance of a certain agenda.

the over information reality is a part of the agenda setting.

MSM fabricate a matrix, a paradigm, playing with subjective experience of the audience.
They do not show reality.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by ::.mika.::]

reply to post by Torch of God


wth @ the video.
made zero sense.

In correspondence to the H.A.A.R.P scenario with its capabilities being recognized.
Would it be possible that the Central China issue with the U.S be conspired?