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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by GrandKitaro777
The Book of Grand Kitaro is starting to shape up.
I wonder if at some point the universe actually loops back on itself in a grand circle.
The Circle of Life.
I have often mused that those polarized so far to the Left often end up coming around through the back door to the Right, and those on the far Right and up coming through the back door to the left.
So many things in life seem to be circular and cycler, I often wonder if that is just because we are stuck in a rut or a truly closed loop exists?
If there must be a New One World Religion, what should it really be like?
Who would be the Heroes of these New Gospels,
how would we define our place in the Universe and perceive it?
What would our Philosophies towards Life be
and what should constitute what is good or evil?
Who should be in charge,
and should anyone,
what would the rituals be,
and where and how ought they to take place?
How should it be supported in thought, and deed, and in endowment and empowerment?
What should the New World Religion that all shared be like, if you could write it?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by GrandKitaro777
They say sometimes life is greater than fiction.
I would like to see in religion, the real desire to discover all the mysteries of the universe, and to investigate all it's infinite possibilities in a concerted and enthusiastic way.
Its hard not to imagine we would have so much more to gain in that?
You have captured the essence of what I was trying to convey, and conveyed it back in the way I ultimately see that as a positive possibility myself.
More importantly instead of simply being restricted to a very limited pool of 'Teachers' of a handful of people, long dead and gone, the life experiences and lessons learned of our own contemporaries could serve as a learning tool for others, in a much more adaptive, and intuitive way.
That certainly has the potential to be more productive.
Religion and Government tend to corrupt one another, sometimes even evolving to be one in the same in some societies.
Keeping them seperated is no easy task. The attraction of Religion to Politics and Politics to Religion seems to be almost magnetic.
I wonder if there is a way to resolutely seperate the two, or if it's futile and to accept that the two will eventually merge?
Make the tea free, and throw in some fabulous door prizes, and just maybe?
We are in fact very close to sharing the same perspectives.
Thanks for the exceptionally thought out and written replies.
Thank you for the compliments. It's quite a mental gymnastics tournament for me. Going from the highly evolved and educated discussions of this board, down to some of the other boards I'm on where people can't seem to comprehend the word "fact". I desperately needed some intellectual thinking, and your thread has provided it.
I wholeheartedly agree. Not to cloud an already good discussion with personal anecdotes, but, this is exactly how my own spiritual path has evolved. I had a friend who lived her life a certain way, and she encouraged me to take her footsteps, in the opposite direction. So I did, and together we found so many commonalities between the human experience. Be it man to woman, homeless to home owner, atheist to theist.
The point being that I think contemporary "teachers" are the most important teachers we have. Sure, they may build off of the old, but it takes a special kind of person to make a philosophy of 2000 years ago relevant now. Those kind of people should leave their books open for us to read... and quite possibly write "follow my footsteps... in the opposite direction" on the first page.
Leave the politics for the dogs. People need voices, not representatives.
Any time. A man needs a good intellectual discussion every now and then.
Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
Like GrandKitaro, I too must sleep.
But I read through your response just now, and there is a lot in there that I would like to comment on.
~ Scribe
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Xtraeme
Meaning as a position I'm advocating omni-gnosticism and -theism. Which, admittedly, is a fairly subtle and nuanced orientation, but one that strikes me as rather open-minded and capable of adapting to a changing reality.
Thank you so much, clearly you have put some significant thought into this.
I have a funny suspicious many of us have, and that in a lot of ways what you are advocating is precisely what I am wondering is possible. Can we as a species create our evolving system, a user friendly one that emanates from the ground up to the top of the Pyramid, instead of emanating from the top and forced down upon us?
Is there a path to accession that we can mutually discover through real cooperation amongst ourselves instead of having something omnipresent hovering above us and forcing it down upon us.
If I understand you correctly, you feel its possible we could, in fact do such a thing, and one of the avenues I would like to explore in this thread, is the possibility that not only would such an bottom to top approach be better, but has it never in fact happened before, because we as people, have never openly and honestly communicated amongst ourselves to the extent where such mutual goal oriented partnership could be possible?
I think a holistic spiritual system needs some sort of tool-set, whether that be meditation, rationalized comparative analysis, or what have you, all put together in a cohesive text. Allowing for each person to become a fisher of spiritual information and to help bring that information back to the group.
The trick is how do we establish the accuracy of this information? Once we start basing it on perceived honesty it sets the stage for abuse.
It's a tricky problem, but one that I think can be solved.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Matthew 22:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
en.wikipedia.org...
Great thread here my friend. A new religion? I believe the golden rule should be the first priority. I know it that it takes much understanding to implement this into our daily comings and goings but it is something that I try to remember.
The Golden Rule is an ethical code that states one has a right to just treatment, and a responsibility to ensure justice for others.
So how then could we make a New Golden Rule, a Primary Rule that eliminates this inherent pitfall?
Any thoughts my friend?
If someone is a sadomasochist they should be allowed to live such a lifestyle.