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The Tu-154 (polish crash plane) No Stranger to Crashes

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posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Hi everyone,

i'm sure all of you have read the following thread regarding the terrible air crash involving the Polish President and many other senior Government figures.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I found this news story up on Fox this morning about the History of the Tupolev Tu-154 and crashes.





Recent fatal plane crashes involved the Soviet-built Tupolev-154

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— April 10, 2010: The Polish presidential plane crashes on approach to Smolensk airport, Russia, killing all on board.

— July 15, 2009: A Caspian Airlines Tu-154 flying from Iran to Armenia nosedives into a field, killing 168 people.

— Sept. 1, 2006: A Tu-154 jetliner operated by Iran Airtour skids off the runway and catches fire while landing in the northern city of Mashad, Iran, killing 80 of 147 passengers.

— Aug. 22, 2006: A Tu-154 of Russia's Pulkovo Airlines with about 170 people aboard crashes during a thunderstorm in Ukraine en route from a Black Sea resort to St. Petersburg, killing all aboard.

— Aug. 24, 2004: A Tu-154 operated by Sibir Airlines crashes en route from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, killing all 46 people aboard. The crash was later determined to be caused by explosives brought on board by a Chechen suicide bomber.

— July 1, 2002: A Bashkirian Airlines Tu-154 flying to Barcelona, Spain, from Ufa, Russia, collides with a cargo plane over Germany, killing 71, including 52 children.

— Feb. 12, 2002: A Tu-154 airliner operated by Iran Airtour carrying 119 people smashed into snow-covered mountains near its destination of Khorramabad, 230 miles southwest of Tehran, killing all aboard.

— Oct. 4, 2001: A Sibir Airlines Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv, Israel, to Novosibirsk, Russia, explodes and plunges into the Black Sea, killing 78 people, most of them Israeli citizens. It was later determined the plane was hit by a Ukrainian missile during military training exercises.

— July 3, 2001: A Tu-154 operated by the Vladivostokavia airline en route from Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains to Vladivostok crashes in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing all 145 on board.

— Feb. 24, 1999: A China Southwest Airlines Tu-154 flying from Chengdu crashes on approach to Wenzhou, 800 miles southeast of Beijing, killing all 61 people aboard.

— Aug. 29, 1998: A Cubana Tu-154 flight from Quito to Havana crashes just after takeoff, killing 79 people, including 10 on the ground when the plane plowed into a soccer field.

— Dec. 15, 1997: A Tajikistan Airlines Tu-154 crashes in the United Arab Emirates, killing 85 passengers and crew.

— Aug. 29, 1996: A Vnukovo Airlines Tu-154 passenger plane carrying Russian and Ukrainian miners and their families from Moscow to Norway crashes into a mountain, killing all 141 on board.

— Dec. 7, 1995: A Tu-154 operated by Aeroflot Khabarovsk Airlines with 97 people on board disappeared flying to the far eastern Russian city of Khabarovsk. The remains were found 11 days later by a helicopter pilot in mountains near the Pacific coast.

— June 6, 1994: A China Northwest Airlines Tu-154 bound for Guangzhou crashes minutes after takeoff from Xian, a tourist city in northern China, killing all 160 people aboard.

- Jan. 3, 1994: All 124 people aboard a Moscow-bound Baikal Airlines Tu-154 are killed when it crashes into a snowy field near the town of Irkutsk. A farmer on the ground was also killed.


www.foxnews.com...

That's a bad record if ever I saw one. Roughly 1754 people killed within 16 years.


G.




[edit on 10-4-2010 by grantbeed]




posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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when i see a media outlet include extra info like that, it makes me suspicious. like they have to defend why the accident happened. its like saying "look at this bad track record, this is why it isn't suspicious".


i haven't seen any proof that the crash was intentional, but i'm not ruling it out.



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by grantbeed

That's a bad record if ever I saw one. Roughly 1754 people killed within 16 years.


What's you're missing here is:

1) How many air miles has the TU-154 flown in those 16 years?
2) How many flights has the TU-154 flown in those 16 years?
3) How many passengers have flown on the TU-154 in those 16 years?
4) How competent and regular is the maintenance of all the airlines that fly the TU-154?


According to the BBC and aviation expert Paul Duffy the Tu-154 has an average safety record for its type and length of service especially considering its heavy use in the most demanding conditions often with poor air traffic control; of the 28 aircraft lost to accident few appear to have been due to technical failure.[19]

Source.



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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OK, those are very fair points. A good bit of digging would need done in order to accuratly determine just how bad these safety records are with this aircraft.

All I am doing here is stating the facts of how many crashes this plane has been involved in recently and how many lives have been lost.

Your source is Wikipedia, which is not the most reliable. It would be good to see more info on this from a better source.

g

[edit on 10-4-2010 by grantbeed]

[edit on 10-4-2010 by grantbeed]



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Here's a different take from a different source that suggests more human error than technical problems with the aircraft -




Statistically, the Tu-154 has one of the poorest safety records. However, Tupolev 154's chequered safety record owes more to errors than technical problems


www.flightlevel350.com...



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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Here's a BBC article they published after the 2002 Iran crash.

How safe is the Tu-154?


The plane which has crashed in western Iran was a Tupolev-154, a model with a chequered safety record.

But this may owe more to errors than to technical problems.

The Tu-154 has for 25 years been the backbone of Russia and the Soviet Union's air transport system.

It has carried half the number of all passengers flown by Aeroflot and its successors in that time, with that number peaking at 137 million per year in 1990.

A total of 923 have been built, and approximately 530 remain in service in Russia.

The aircraft entered service in 1972 and was "modernised" in 1986, with new engines and equipment to improve its fuel consumption and flight operations.

History

The Chinese Government decided late last year to withdraw the 154 fleet from its airlines by 1 July, and so this and several others were sold back to Russia.

It returned to the factory where it had been built, in Samara, and received a complete overhaul, although it is not yet clear whether this covered the engines.

Since its service entry, some 28 154s have been lost in accidents, a figure about normal for the quantity, years of service and technology of the type.

Difficult conditions

The accident record of the 154 compares quite well with the 68 727s lost of over 1,600 built.

However, the comparison is not totally valid - a 727 generally flies more often than a 154, and the 154 flies in a region with not so good air traffic control and navigation equipment, and in very difficult weather conditions.

The 154 accidents include several that have little relation to the aircraft.

In 1982, an aircraft landing at Omsk in Russia in a heavy snowstorm - normal for Russian winters - hit six snowploughs that had not been told to leave the runway as the aircraft landed.

Freak accidents

And about five have been shot down by enemy or terrorist attacks in Lebanon, Georgia and Afghanistan during the civil wars in those countries.

One landed safely in a field after its cargo of cigarettes caught fire but was completely burnt.

Another ran out of fuel five miles short of the runway when the state airline of an almost bankrupt country decided to carry less fuel from its base, where the price was high.

Up until July 2001, only two Tu-154 accidents had involved technical failure.

The 154M is likely to remain in service in Russia and the CIS for another 10 or 12 years.


I think the safety record of the TU-154 has more to do with the weather and airport conditions it tends to fly in.



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
 


Nice find. The article sums it up really well as to why so many have came down.

Looks like the plane has had a string of unfortunate bad luck and situations, rather than technical issues.

Good work friend.
g



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 06:17 AM
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It's really interesting that the opinion on the TU-154 safety record is all over the place. If you compare it to the Boeing 727, it's western counterpart, it seems to have a slightly worse record.

B727:
Produced - 1832
Fatalities - 3732
Production - 21 years

TU-154:
Produced - 1015
Fatalities - 2470
Production - 26 years

There does seem to be more problems with technical and mechanical malfunctions on the B727 than the TU-154, whereas the TU-154 were shot down by terrorists more often than the B727.

As the USSR often sold the TU-154 at a discount, the resale price of soviet aircraft was usually less than their western counterparts. This meant that smaller airlines, budget airlines, start-up airlines etc. could purchase the TU-154 cheaper. This coupled with poor maintainance, poorly trained pilots and operating in Africa, latin america and parts of asia has lead to the fatality rate.

All in all, I am not concerned about flying in a TU-154, and indeed I have on several occasions.


[edit on 11-4-2010 by aaa2500]



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