Alien-gods and Atlantean warriors in Meso-American civilizations.

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 04:16 AM
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No trolling here, just pointing out facts. How do you write up an entire thread about the ancient civilizations of Mesoamerica and not realize the Inca were in South America? Probably because the OP has never actually studied ancient Mesoamerica. No, Von Daniken does not count.


Ok, I'm answering this gibberish very late 'cos I was out of the thread. Just in case you don't know, ALL MEXICAN, CENTRAL AMERICA, AND SOUTH AMERICAN civilizations based in the OLMEC CULTURAL AND STRUCTURAL roots, are considered "Mesoamericanas". The Inca civilization was raised by MAMA OCCLO and MANCO CAPAC, two humanoids sent by Kukulkan and Viracocha, centuries after they had left Yucatan and Andes. The incas are absolutely derived from Olmec, Aztec and Mayan civilization. And the word "INCA", means "Sons of the Sun", not OUR SUN, but the "SECOND SUN", the supposed brown dwarf, named "Nibiru" by Sumerians, that crosses our system each 3.600/3.750 years. The Incas regarded themselves as descendants of Anunnaki, not engineered hybrids but blood-line descendants.

What "facts" are you pointing out??? Oh let me see... Nothing as usual!




posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 04:32 AM
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Wow, great thread ucalien! Very well researched and superbly presented. I agree with almost everything you've stated, however there's one part that I'm a bit confused about.


Originally posted by ucalien

No, these artifacts you see above, ARE NOT "stylized birds", they are representations of real aircrafts the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas saw operating. Below you see a flying test of a prototype built by Mexican engineers, based in the same aerodynamics of the scaled artifacts:


What is your source for this information? How do we know they are real aircraft that were seen in operation? I've read in a few books and heard in a couple of documentaries that these "models" are probably NOT representations of flying vehicles, and most likely symbolize flying animals. I'm just curious as to where you heard otherwise.


Cheers

Strype



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 04:53 AM
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Who is your source for this?

That artifact was certainly not found in Palenque.


The arrogance of some ATS members never find limits. What about that???

Pictures of the secret chamber of Pakal Votan tomb
Project of the "Palenque's enginee"
Site of Peter Petrelli, that released the pic of the Palenque's enginee artifact



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by ucalien
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Who is your source for this?

That artifact was certainly not found in Palenque.


The arrogance of some ATS members never find limits. What about that???

Pictures of the secret chamber of Pakal Votan tomb
Project of the "Palenque's enginee"
Site of Peter Petrelli, that released the pic of the Palenque's enginee artifact


I just asked what your source is for that supposed artifact that looks like a rocket which you claim was found under Pakal's tomb at Palenque. Where is the source?

You've yet to provide it and I've yet to find where you found this pic aswell. One of the links you posted is even titled 'history of a hoax'...

If you don't have solid supporting evidence that this was found in Pacal's tomb, then just say so, no need to waste time.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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What is your source for this information? How do we know they are real aircraft that were seen in operation? I've read in a few books and heard in a couple of documentaries that these "models" are probably NOT representations of flying vehicles, and most likely symbolize flying animals. I'm just curious as to where you heard otherwise.


Articles are in spanish:

www.antiguosastronautas.com...
antiguosastronautas.blogspot.com...



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:12 AM
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I have to agree Im not convinced on the so called flying vehicles, however Im not ruling it out, also I think an intersting explanation for the Nazca lines is that they may have been viewed by initiate remote viewers, perhaps having to come back recounting the images they have seen.

Interestingly though, didint they also depict a reproductive organ on a particular spider relief that an only be seen through a microscope?

Hmm.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by ucalien

Just in case you don't know, ALL MEXICAN, CENTRAL AMERICA, AND SOUTH AMERICAN civilizations based in the OLMEC CULTURAL AND STRUCTURAL roots, are considered "Mesoamericanas".


Mesoamerican civilizations extended from Mexico to the Honduras.



The Incas were not a Mesoamerican civilization because the Incan empire operated in the Cuzco region of Peru. Do you know where Peru is? It's not in Central America.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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Are you asking about the sarcophagus lid? That's genuine. It portrays him and the tree of life as he descends to the underworld...at least that's what scholars of Mayan culture have translated from the lid...the guys that do it for a living. God only knows how Daniken saw a spaceship?


If you're asking about the decorative artwork being claimed as an exhaust pipe...it's doubtful imo. It's an unsourced 70s image in one of Ucalien's links



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by ucalien


Articles are in spanish:

www.antiguosastronautas.com...
antiguosastronautas.blogspot.com...


What the hell? Is that meant to prove something? That had nothing to do with anything. I'm just asking you nicely. Where is your source for the picture of the rocket shaped artifact which you claimed was found under Pacal's tomb?

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Hey mate. Not talking about Pacal's lid, definitely know that's genuine. Talking about the artifact the OP posted.



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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:18 AM
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You've yet to provide it and I've yet to find where you found this pic aswell. One of the links you posted is even titled 'history of a hoax'...

If you don't have solid supporting evidence that this was found in Pacal's tomb, then just say so, no need to waste time.


I'm sure you nor even have read the containing of the sites I provided, otherwise you wouldn't have said that. The "hoax" the author Peter Petrelli was referring to, is the "COVER UP AGENDA", the HOAXERS are those who cover THAT evidences they provided, revealing ancient technology and advanced beings in Meso American civilizations.

"I don't have evidence to support what I state"??? I gonna consider you just CAN'T read in spanish, ok???


[edit on 11-4-2010 by ucalien]



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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I can't speak Spanish, care to translate?

All I want is the source. WHO found this artifact under Pacal's tomb? Give us a name? Do you honestly just expect people to take that image as fact?

You are very much aware as I am that the image was not found under Pacal's tomb and you're only using it to take some members for a ride by buttressing your Pacal 'rocketship' theory. Give it up.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:29 AM
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The Incas were not a Mesoamerican civilization because the Incan empire operated in the Cuzco region of Peru. Do you know where Peru is? It's not in Central America.


I assume you ALSO can't read in english, and it's nor even is my first idiom... Did you read ANYTHING I wrote, about MESOAMERICAN civilizations be considered ALL Olmec based structure??? Isn't a term that defines GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION, despite the word MESO, means "MIDDLE", but structurally they have the same ROOT. Don't try to makes me look like an ignorant ', asking if "I know where Peru is", cos I'm South American and I know what I'm talking about. You as EVER, just PRETEND to know too much about things, and as EVER you are just trolling people that expose subjects you short mind range refuses to accept.

Whatever, who cares about what you think or not???



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:30 AM
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Hey mate. Not talking about Pacal's lid, definitely know that's genuine. Talking about the artifact the OP posted.


The artifact is a decontextualised holiday snap from I'd guess the 70s due to the graininess. It's what I'd call a 'random.' No source. It could be a decorative chiminea or municipal artwork.

What leads me to be dismissive of the object is the incestuous nature of the alien astronauts fraternity...they all fish in the same small pool. With the exception of the LHC connection (genius!) there isn't an image or detail that hasn't been used before...except the one we're talking about.

I know ancient astronauts is a subject you are keen on and one I dispute, but in this case I think we can agree that the object in the image could be anything from anywhere at any time. Essentially meaningless.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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I can't speak Spanish, care to translate?

All I want is the source. WHO found this artifact under Pacal's tomb? Give us a name? Do you honestly just expect people to take that image as fact?

You are very much aware as I am that the image was not found under Pacal's tomb and you're only using it to take some members for a ride by buttressing your Pacal 'rocketship' theory. Give it up.


Whether that find is true or not, and my gut tells me its not, the Pacal picture is extremely intriguing.

It even seems like stylized fire is coming out the back.
Pretty interesting at least ey.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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All I want is the source. WHO found this artifact under Pacal's tomb? Give us a name? Do you honestly just expect people to take that image as fact?

You are very much aware as I am that the image was not found under Pacal's tomb and you're only using it to take some members for a ride by buttressing your Pacal 'rocketship' theory. Give it up.


I gave you a source: Peter Petrelli's site. Is in spanish, can't you understand??? TAKE SOME LESSONS AND LEARN SPANISH!! And don't put words in my mouth, as if I was faking an evidence. Don't be so pathetic!!! Don't you like what I'm exposing here??? MOVE OUT OF THE THREAD. Unless you CAN PROVE I'm a hoaxer, as EVER you are trying to do, you just embarrass yourself, as EVER.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by ucalien
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All I want is the source. WHO found this artifact under Pacal's tomb? Give us a name? Do you honestly just expect people to take that image as fact?

You are very much aware as I am that the image was not found under Pacal's tomb and you're only using it to take some members for a ride by buttressing your Pacal 'rocketship' theory. Give it up.


I gave you a source: Peter Petrelli's site. Is in spanish, can't you understand??? TAKE SOME LESSONS AND LEARN SPANISH!! And don't put words in my mouth, as if I was faking an evidence. Don't be so pathetic!!! Don't you like what I'm exposing here??? MOVE OUT OF THE THREAD. Unless you CAN PROVE I'm a hoaxer, as EVER you are trying to do, you just embarrass yourself, as EVER.



Lets try and keep it civil, Im really SICK of thread spiralling into an insult match, now I think that if this find was real, there would be more evidence than a Spanish webpage, now I cant read Spanish, and Im not discounting it, however in this case I dont think Serbsta's request is particularly out of line.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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The image is available at these sites too...complete with the adjacent rocket.

Foros Del Misterio

nomasmentiras

The object is described as a heater...chiminea in other words.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:41 AM
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Give it up.


You know that, as a disinfo agent, you are not THAT good, don't you???



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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From what Ive read it was europeans coming over by boat, like Serbsta mentioned. I've read theories several it was the Norse god Odin, who did so. Since I believe Odin was an actual human being, I think it is plausible.


According to Popol Vuh, a kind of "Mayan Bible", around 3.100 B.C. a very tall bearded caucasian-like, long skull humanoid, arrived in Yucatan, in your "cosmic boat", accompanied by african-like giant warriors.



Votan = Wotan = Odin. Should be obvious.

Now, dont shoot the messenger, but a racist pagan I talked to believed that non-white people were descended from 'the Giants', that is the Jotunn, of Norse mythology. ALSO, when Ptolemy (Greek explorer) went up to Britain and then beyond, he mentioned that he was in Thule. Thule is generally considered to be Norway.

"It is by no means impossible that under the name of Thule two or more of these localities may have been meant, by different authors writing at distant periods and under different states of geographical knowledge. It is also pretty generally acknowledged, as Parisot remarks, that the Thule mentioned by Ptolemy is identical with Thylemark in Norway."(Bostock and Riley )


The negro warriors were knew as Tulas.
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and the word "Tula" came from THU-LE, a land of the ancient Lemurian continent


Well assuming any of this were correct, it could all tie in. Northern Norway was called 'Jotunnheim' by the Norsemen, as in Home of the Giants.

No need to demonise me either. I believe all people are equal, all judged by action, not skin colour. Just musing information.

Now also imagine the dragon boats coming in.


Feathered serpent maybe..?



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:57 AM
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From what Ive read it was europeans coming over by boat, like Serbsta mentioned. I've read theories several it was the Norse god Odin, who did so. Since I believe Odin was an actual human being, I think it is plausible.


According to Popol Vuh, a kind of "Mayan Bible", around 3.100 B.C. a very tall bearded caucasian-like, long skull humanoid, arrived in Yucatan, in your "cosmic boat", accompanied by african-like giant warriors.



Votan = Wotan = Odin. Should be obvious.

Now, dont shoot the messenger, but a racist pagan I talked to believed that non-white people were descended from 'the Giants', that is the Jotunn, of Norse mythology. ALSO, when Ptolemy (Greek explorer) went up to Britain and then beyond, he mentioned that he was in Thule. Thule is generally considered to be Norway.

"It is by no means impossible that under the name of Thule two or more of these localities may have been meant, by different authors writing at distant periods and under different states of geographical knowledge. It is also pretty generally acknowledged, as Parisot remarks, that the Thule mentioned by Ptolemy is identical with Thylemark in Norway."(Bostock and Riley )


The negro warriors were knew as Tulas.
...
and the word "Tula" came from THU-LE, a land of the ancient Lemurian continent


Well assuming any of this were correct, it could all tie in. Northern Norway was called 'Jotunnheim' by the Norsemen, as in Home of the Giants.

No need to demonise me either. I believe all people are equal, all judged by action, not skin colour. Just musing information.

Now also imagine the dragon boats coming in.


Feathered serpent maybe..?




Very interesting for sure!
Will keep this in mind, however is there any evidence the Norwegians were seafarers this early?





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