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Alien-gods and Atlantean warriors in Meso-American civilizations.

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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Excellent presentation, few flaws but we'll get to that after I rest.




posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by ucalien
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You stated that the artifact was found under Pacal's tomb in Palenque. This is a lie.


Unfortunately I can't tell you what I would like to say, in order to avoid a "decorum and manner" advertence.
The cover with stele of "Pakal Votan pilot" and the artifact that resembles an engine exhaust system, were found by the Mexican archaeologist, Alberto Ruz, around 1952

READ IT HERE in the topic of Jan. 24th, 2007


I used the link you provided and waded through the text accompanying the photos. The following description is from that website regarding the picture you alleged was modeled after a rocket engine exhaust.


Mayan Cualdron. From where the Maya got a design that resembles one of today's propulsion engines?


This was the only sentence regarding the item I could locate on that website. There was no mention of where this artifact was found and what, if anything, was found along with it. Where precisely did you read that this was located in or about the tomb?



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by ucalien
You know that, as a disinfo agent, you are not THAT good, don't you???


ATS needs it's own corollary of Godwin's Law. The longer a thread runs, the probability one member calls another a "disinfo agent" approaches 1. Anyone who refers to someone as a "disinfo agent" is considered to have lost the debate.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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Hi great thread btw...... A question and a suggestion; The Pacal Votan Spaceship Stele has anyone diciphered it? Why do you ask because to me it looks like the Stele is made up from Mayan Alphabet. Lots of the detail looks very familiar, I'm dyslexic and can assemble pictures and words better than your average person when there in a jumble........here's a few links see if you see what I think I see.

research.famsi.org...

www.viewzone.com...

For all I know someones spotted it and I should of checked first lol but thought I'd throw it in there.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by BeastMaster2012

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
You guys can go crazy now. This huge artifact was found in a secret chamber below Pakal's tomb. Nedless to say it's identical to an engine exhaust system, maybe it was really part of one:




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can you explain this a little more? I have never heard about this, if this is true that is really crazy.. does this have a name or something? I can't find anything on it. Thanks, great post S+F


please explain this


not sure but these tourist if you will probably knew that it was similar to a exhaust
reason being look at the her hands it looks like she is joking that it is producing heat

well let us just make a model with an rocket engine with an exhaust like this design ( like the model Airplane that was modeled from the flying matchbox like Pre Columbia toys !

could it be that the models were like the tie fighters and x wings and even action figures for kids of the time Pre Columbia ! LOL just like the original tv (1983,84,85) movie series called + V + where they had models and action figures ! of the visitors for kids ! now if only we can back engineered the Egyptian light bulb , ark of the covenant , to see if they could of worked ! oops they already did and the Antikythera Mechanism they proved to be and it worked !

Source
www.world-mysteries.com...


[edit on 11-4-2010 by Wolfenz]



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 07:22 PM
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s914.photobucket.com... The lid to Pakal's sarcophagus conceals those "sky gods" that made the tree of life fly.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by ucalien
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Peter Petrelli? Is he an archaeologist? Why is he the only archaeologist that supposedly found this under the tomb? Why are you asking me to move out of the thread? I'm merely asking for proof in regards to one image. You don't have proof, just admit the image is meaningless. You claiming that it was found under Pacal's tomb is the real dis-info.


I can't remember WHERE I said he's an archeologist... You insist in put words in my mouth. Is not that cool buddy, not cool. Do you wanna debunk me??? At least keep the class and stop inventing sentences I didn't. I said he RELEASED a photo in his website. A tourist photo seems very plausible to me and I don't expect you can find an article in NASA website, explaining the mechanics of "Votan ancient aircraft". If you want to believe it's fake or not, is YOUR problem. I provided 3 links and one of them have the mechanical project that on engineer has done, disclosing how that device could works and is in ENGLISH. Ain't the ONLY ONE on the "ancient astrounaut" theory, and fortunately I ever find interesting sources to support my speculations. I know it bothers A LOT people like you... what can I say??? Keep trying.

And I know I'll run the risk of this comment to be considered "off the topic", but in the last time you called me a hoaxer, when I provided that pics of the ancient scriptures within the CERN-LHC building, I had probs in my server and I could not answer you. But that pictures were taken by students of the Portuguese music school of Santa Cecília, in Portugal.

The full album is here

Think twice before call me hoaxer, buddy, unless you like to embarrass yourself.

[edit on 11-4-2010 by ucalien]

[edit on 11-4-2010 by ucalien]


Hey ucalien, thanks for finally posting where you got those pictures of those "ancient scriptures" that were in the CERN building. Unfortunately, those panels are an exhibit in the International Red Cross Museum in Geneva as you can see here:

www.micr.ch...

All you had to do was translate the portuguese caption for the picture to see that. So not a reliable peace of evidence for your LHC/stargate scenario...



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by ucalien The cover with stele of "Pakal Votan pilot" and the artifact that resembles an engine exhaust system, were found by the Mexican archaeologist, Alberto Ruz, around 1952 READ IT HERE in the topic of Jan. 24th, 2007 Other researchers as Roc Hatfield, also had investigated it, you can read it HERE or you can PERSONALY contact Erich Von Danniken that saw the artifact and ask him what he think about it, but don't call me liar again. [edit on 11-4-2010 by ucalien]


Nowhere in those links does it state that the artifact was found under Pacal's tomb. I don't understand why you're disproving yourself, yet again. This artifact was NOT found under Pacal's tomb, why are you so adament?

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Originally posted by On the level
To the members that come on and slam posts rather than give constructive feedback I say this to you, why do you care, if you do not believe in the subject then why come on and troll and ruin threads. There is plenty of subjects on ATS that I think are rubbish however I do not comment on them. Kepp to what you know and death to trolls


Trolling? There is a difference between trolling and exposing fraudulent claims. The difference is quiet clear in this thread. You honestly think the best thing to do is to expose just one side of the story and forget about the other? If so, click ignore on all the users who went against the OP's theory in this thread, that should make you happy.


Originally posted by FlySolo

You know, serbsta has a valid question. Once I saw that photo I began searching for more q&a in this thread regarding it. I was hoping to see a source so I could read about it but you have been avoiding that. Which brings me to conclude that perhaps you threw a bone that wasn't yours.

I would very much like to read about this artifact.


And this exactly why myself and other people in this thread have posed questions which go against what the OP says. So there is a balanced opinion in the thread. Just because someones poses questions which question the claims in your OP does not make them wrong, by you refusing to prove these claims, it makes you wrong.


Originally posted by borachon

Hey ucalien, thanks for finally posting where you got those pictures of those "ancient scriptures" that were in the CERN building. Unfortunately, those panels are an exhibit in the International Red Cross Museum in Geneva as you can see here:

www.micr.ch...

All you had to do was translate the portuguese caption for the picture to see that. So not a reliable peace of evidence for your LHC/stargate scenario...


There you go, once again. Those images weren't even from CERN.

Mate.

If you're going to post information, fine. But when its clear that the information holds no weight after some research, just admit that it isn't fact.

P.S: Thanks to the poster who posted the ATS 'rule' about the dis-info agent name calling. With that rule in place, the OP has lost this debate... let me see... on the first page?

[edit on 11/4/2010 by serbsta]



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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post removed because the user has no concept of manners

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by serbsta


Originally posted by borachon

Hey ucalien, thanks for finally posting where you got those pictures of those "ancient scriptures" that were in the CERN building. Unfortunately, those panels are an exhibit in the International Red Cross Museum in Geneva as you can see here:

www.micr.ch...

All you had to do was translate the portuguese caption for the picture to see that. So not a reliable peace of evidence for your LHC/stargate scenario...


There you go, once again. Those images weren't even from CERN.

Mate.

If you're going to post information, fine. But when its clear that the information holds no weight after some research, just admit that it isn't fact.

P.S: Thanks to the poster who posted the ATS 'rule' about the dis-info agent name calling. With that rule in place, the OP has lost this debate... let me see... on the first page?

[edit on 11/4/2010 by serbsta]


Oh man, that's rich! Those scripts weren't even in Cern??
Back on topic, I've read about the theories already described in this thread, nothing new but this takes the cake. Plagiarism + lies + poster = never reading another post by the OP



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by serbsta
Trolling? There is a difference between trolling and exposing fraudulent claims.


The attitude among certain posters here that no debate or contrary opinion is allowed. Counter-arguments have not been met with cogent arguments but only ad hominems.


Originally posted by serbsta
There you go, once again. Those images weren't even from CERN.

If you're going to post information, fine. But when its clear that the information holds no weight after some research, just admit that it isn't fact.


It seems in at least two instances, Ucalien has either posted fallacious information or fabricated claims.


Originally posted by serbsta
P.S: Thanks to the poster who posted the ATS 'rule' about the dis-info agent name calling. With that rule in place, the OP has lost this debate... let me see... on the first page?


It is not so much an actual rule but proposal. But you're welcome.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by sv_gravity 800
The small steps are for us humans and the negros.

The big steps are for all the Giants.


SV Gravity, I hate to tell you but your racism is showing.

[edit on 11-4-2010 by DoomsdayRex]



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:16 PM
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I guess you are thinking about Machu Pichu ruins in Peru, the same goes to the sacred place of Sacsayguaman also in Peru, and mentioned by the OP; where they have all these huge stones carved as a puzzle an all fitting together perfectly



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Those well fitted stones are not a puzzle, merely alien housing units. photos available on request.



posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by debris765nju
reply to post by Lostayos
 
Those well fitted stones are not a puzzle, merely alien housing units. photos available on request.



Request!
I still have no idea what you're talking about regarding those other photos and I'm still waiting on your explanation.
Gonna leave a brotha hanging?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by yadda333
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I'm not "probably" right, I'm absolutely right.

My problem is that people like the OP pretend to know more about these cultures than REAL archaeologists, yet doesn't even know where they were geographically.

A handful of hours of internet research doesn't compare to what real scholars have put into it. Period.

[edit on 4/10/2010 by yadda333]


No, you're not "right". You're acting like a narcissistic egomaniac who has nothing better to do than tear down another person who has done a damn good job of bringing valuable information out in his thread. To what end? Does it make you feel superior? To the rest of us it just makes you seem small.

So what if he has a few factual errors in content. The factual errors are readily corrected by other readers and can be posted respectfully or with the attitude of a self-righteous ass such as you're displaying.

Are you a self-righteous ass or are you just having a bad attitude day? If the former, please take it somewhere else. I don't think it's well taken here, except by the other self-righteous asses.

[edit on 4/12/2010 by dubiousone]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:26 AM
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There are also some interesting pyramid like structures that have been found 25 mts below the surface of the ocean in Japan - Nat Geo story here:

news.nationalgeographic.com...

Also in Bosnia -

news.nationalgeographic.com...



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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Originally posted by ucalien The cover with stele of "Pakal Votan pilot" and the artifact that resembles an engine exhaust system, were found by the Mexican archaeologist, Alberto Ruz, around 1952 READ IT HERE in the topic of Jan. 24th, 2007 Other researchers as Roc Hatfield, also had investigated it, you can read it HERE or you can PERSONALY contact Erich Von Danniken that saw the artifact and ask him what he think about it, but don't call me liar again. [edit on 11-4-2010 by ucalien]


Nowhere in those links does it state that the artifact was found under Pacal's tomb. I don't understand why you're disproving yourself, yet again. This artifact was NOT found under Pacal's tomb, why are you so adament?

reply to post by On the level
 



Originally posted by On the level
To the members that come on and slam posts rather than give constructive feedback I say this to you, why do you care, if you do not believe in the subject then why come on and troll and ruin threads. There is plenty of subjects on ATS that I think are rubbish however I do not comment on them. Kepp to what you know and death to trolls


Trolling? There is a difference between trolling and exposing fraudulent claims. The difference is quiet clear in this thread. You honestly think the best thing to do is to expose just one side of the story and forget about the other? If so, click ignore on all the users who went against the OP's theory in this thread, that should make you happy.


Originally posted by FlySolo

You know, serbsta has a valid question. Once I saw that photo I began searching for more q&a in this thread regarding it. I was hoping to see a source so I could read about it but you have been avoiding that. Which brings me to conclude that perhaps you threw a bone that wasn't yours.

I would very much like to read about this artifact.


And this exactly why myself and other people in this thread have posed questions which go against what the OP says. So there is a balanced opinion in the thread. Just because someones poses questions which question the claims in your OP does not make them wrong, by you refusing to prove these claims, it makes you wrong.


Originally posted by borachon

Hey ucalien, thanks for finally posting where you got those pictures of those "ancient scriptures" that were in the CERN building. Unfortunately, those panels are an exhibit in the International Red Cross Museum in Geneva as you can see here:

www.micr.ch...

All you had to do was translate the portuguese caption for the picture to see that. So not a reliable peace of evidence for your LHC/stargate scenario...


There you go, once again. Those images weren't even from CERN.

Mate.

If you're going to post information, fine. But when its clear that the information holds no weight after some research, just admit that it isn't fact.

P.S: Thanks to the poster who posted the ATS 'rule' about the dis-info agent name calling. With that rule in place, the OP has lost this debate... let me see... on the first page?

[edit on 11/4/2010 by serbsta]



Yes i tend to agree, i could not find anything online about the artifact.

Also i noticed in the picture the lady is holding her hands up to it as if it is a heater of some sort



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Sorry, i'm an old dog, i don't come if no one whistles. The Bell mound photograph is part of the gameboard upon which this thread is being played. Who really built the pyramids abd mounds? Logic dictates that this is where the answer to that conundrum lies. In 1935, T.V.A. caused to have completely excavated an removed the aforesaid burial mound. The photograph is an official document that is housed in the Frank McClung library at the University of Tennessee. This is relative to the discussion because the occupants of the underground dwelling were understandibly irate. They are not human but nice nonetheless. i made a video out of the picture that is at least interesting.s914.photobucket.com...

[edit on 123030p://am3038 by debris765nju]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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pretty interesting findings and a really interesting read, i've just skimmed the first post and will re-read it all again when I get off work lol



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