If some predictions like this are right, then maybe the end is near. Prophecy of Popes.

reply to post by On the Edge


Thank you. No offense taken. Like I said I never stopped being a believer.

I just stopped being religious.

I believe we don't have our brains for keeping them new so we can return it and say here you go never been used before. Happy to keep it save.

God bless you to and good night.

Originally posted by lee anoma
To me there have already been quite a few "bad" Popes, so if the prophecy states that one is coming and he is to make the others look good then I guess I'd tell the Catholics to hang on to their hats!

reply to post by sezsue

 

That is very interesting. I did notice something funny, though. The mention of the last Pope being very bad and Black (although some are saying this may be figurative) in this religious prophecy reminds me a lot of what I have heard from some of the staunchly religious/fundamentalist Christians about Obama.

Black President = Anti-Christ, end of the world imminent.

Black Pope = Evil Pope, end of the world imminent.

I know these sort of groundbreaking events would show the world is changing but why is a Black person in these leadership roles indicative of the end-times for a lot of people?

I just want to know if this prophecy is based on anything other than the superficial. Similar to how some people believe a black cat is bad luck or a witches' familiar.

- Lee




[edit on 11-4-2010 by lee anoma]

Lol! As a former catholic, I can agree with you that there have been many bad popes. One of the (many) reasons I am no longer a catholic.

Once I started really reading the Bible for myself, I discovered that *you shall know them by their fruits* and many long standing catholic traditions totally go against Biblical principals.

Even though many catholics at the ground level (and many priests also) are very caring and good people, the catholic church leadership at the top levels are corrupted by power, and we probably will never know the full extent of the corruption.

As far as your comments about how it seems Black presidents and popes being are equated with the end times, and how it seems somehow being bad = being black, I certainly don't feel that way, and I don't think the majority would either, who might be familiar with the time period we are in.

As far as the *Black Pope* it could actually mean that he would have a Jesuit background, but we have to look at every possible meaning, and it could also mean ethnic background or race. I have seen some articles talking about the *first* black pope, but have also read that there may have been as many as 3 black popes in the past. Also, in certain areas of the world, there are representations of a *Black Madonna* who is worshiped, and possibly some black saints, as well.

(Seems like it has not always suited the PTB to foment hate between the races, but it suits their agenda now, it separates us and makes us suspicious of each other, when we should be sticking together against them, lol)


So, anyway, what I was looking for was a possible pope candidate named Peter, or something to do with Rome in a special way, because, in the prophecy, the so called *last pope* was equated with "Peter the Roman".

It just so happened that the one possible candidate with the name Peter, happened to be black. He comes from a place where there has been a lot of controversy lately, something to do with punishment of gay behavior, I think?

I think a certain percentage of major influential figures in the world today would have to be of different ethnic backgrounds so as to allow the PTB to manipulate the populations better.

In general, it's the people in power that are evil, not people of any one race or background.

And it may turn out to be that some of the people in key positions in the world are evil AND are black. But it would not cause most people to equate the black races to evil.

It would be because no one race has the patent on evil and the capacity to act upon it.

It comes down to individuals and the choices they make for good...........or evil.

God Bless

sezsue

Pope Benedict XVI was one of the few key people involved in misleading the world about the Third Secret of Fatima.

They(the top hierarchy of the Vatican) mislead people into thinking the Third Secret was about the past, and they mislead people into thinking the full contents of the 3rd Secret have been released by the Vatican in 2000.

Now, it is seeming more and more likely that the fulfillment of the Third Secret will come crashing down upon the heads of the very same Vatican officials that are responsible for lying to the world about the Fatima prophecies.


These Fatima visions are most likely ALL about the same particular Pope that will suffer the outbreak of the events predicted by the Third Secret. Pope Benedict XVI seems to be that Pope.


There is an obscure Fatima prophecy of a large crowd of people outraged by the Pope, and they have gathered their displeasure to the doorstep of a large building of which the Pope is kneeling and crying. Many in the crowd are outwardly cursing the Pope and using foul language. Some are throwing stones at the building.

Jacinta, the Fatima seer, as an eight or nine year old child, said about that vision: "I saw the Holy Father(Pope) in a very big house, kneeling by a table, with his head buried in his hands, and he was weeping. Outside the house, there were many people. Some of them were throwing stones, others were CURSING HIM and using bad language. Poor Holy Father, we must pray very much for him."

Also the major prophecy about soldiers(Russian?) killing the Pope during the time of persecution and probably after a military invasion of the Vatican:
"the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions" (part of the 3rd Secret)


Jacinta's other vision involving the Pope and the chastisement that involves "hunger" ==>
"highways and roads and fields full of people, who are crying with hunger and have nothing to eat, and the Holy Father in a church praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and so many people praying with him"

The Fatima prophecy explicitly mentions that:
"the Pope will have much to suffer"

and that part of God's punishment consists of sending suffering and persecution directly against the Pope himself:
"When you see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of:war,hunger, and persecution of the church AND *(PERSECUTION) OF THE POPE*"



on June 26, 2000, the Vatican revealed the key of the Third Secret:
“The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: ‘if (My requests are) not (heeded), she(Russia) will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated.'

Thus in no uncertain terms, Russia would be a major tool and instigator that God will use to punish the world and the Catholic Church.


[edit on 11-4-2010 by Phantomfire707]

Current pope is the 2nd to the last. There will only one more pope and the end will come.

reply to post by On the Edge


I'm sorry it took this long to reply. I forgot.
Sorry.

I misunderstood your stance on the Creation thing,but then,I don't spend any real time looking into alternative explanations,because I have confidence in my faith.

Well that's a beautiful thing to have that kind of faith...

Jesus himself was tempted,as in Mark 4:9,"Again,the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory,and he said to Him,'All these things I will give you if you bow down and worship me."

For one to be tempted it must first be possible to get tempted and learn the difference.

Luke 4:6."I will give you all this domain and it's glory,for it has been given over to me,and I give it to whomever I wish."

That would explain why the rulers of this world are under the influence of Satan,because this is what they seek,and it is Satan's to give.

And it further backs up the Christian's belief that "our kingdom is not of this world."

In any case,it is morning here now,so I'm about to call it a night!

Hmm... You have got a point there.

Our kingdom is not of this world could and can be interpreted in many ways.

If I may ask ? What do you actualy belief ?

Greetings
-SK

I always figured the last pope would be someone who looked like JC. When the great deluge of sorts happen Benedict is killed during it and all hope is lost and nobody has faith in GOD any more. Then the church is desperate to find somebody to replace the pope. What else than somebody that looks like the Savior of Man. Then that man later turns out to be the Anti-christ after so much power he gains.

Just my 2 cents.

i promise i'm going back to read the material more careful than the 1 minute scan i just did of the thread.

i was once of the impression that the next Pope 'Peter the Roman' because he is supposed to flee Rome/Vatican & shepherd the destroyed church remnants that PopePeter would be the evil Pope...

whereas this link goes into detailed explaination that i was incorrect,
PopePeter is the last 'good' Pope...afterwhich the western church will be destroyed by ( the most likely rival church/faith ~Muslims ) 'Persia'



see:

www.apostle1.com...

As to the prophecy of St. Malachi, there will be one more Pope after this one, who will be known as Peter the Roman, which J.D. got right, however he will not be the anti-Christ or the false prophet.
The false prophet will follow Peter the Roman.
According to St. Malachi’s prophecy, Peter the Roman will be the last TRUE Pope of the Roman jurisdiction of the Catholic Church, under whom the city of Rome, including the Vatican will be destroyed, after which the false prophet will assume the leadership of the what remains of the Catholic Church, through deceit and the help of the Anti-Christ.

St. Malachi wasn’t very clear as to when Jesus would come to bring judgment, but it will be a time after the destruction of Rome, but not before the setting up of the One World Government and establishment of the One World Religion (Church) under the false prophet, this is according to the Book of Revelations and other prophecies found in the books of Daniel, Isiah, and Ezekiel[...]

Very Rev. Fr. Abbot +Gregori, SSJt.

if we extrapolate from the current world conditions;

in another 3-5 years Iran/Persia should have the Nukes...along the way, Iran,Iraq &most of Turkey will merge into a 3 state caliphate of greater-Persia (5-11 years)
thus becoming the source of destruction of the Roman Catholics, the Eastern empire of the Orthodox will seek sanctuary in the recess of the north, Russia.

so- the malachy vision will become a self fulfilling prophecy...
the first stage coinciding with the prince of persia growth of power & status=(during reign of Pope Benedict 16th)

the second stage is when the prince of persia will bring to ruin the western roman church=(during the reign of Pope Peter)

..in the eyes of Christians this overthrow is equated as the rise of the false prophet & antichrist taking over the world
( imho)


ADD: does the title 'SSJt' indicate the author is a Jesuit?
it seems i've read that the 'secret' dark or black Pope will be a Jesuit


[edit on 8-5-2010 by St Udio]

OK


heres the deal... i am introducing another Catholic specialist into this discussion;
Father Malachi Martin (died 27 July '99)

now his instructions, and his discovery revelations should agree with the far removed Irish Bishop Malichy Prophecys' (in the 1100s)

Father Malichi Martin before his stroke, professed the facts that the
FATIMA -3RD PROPHECY CHASTIZEMENT
would be accomplished in approximately 20 years (not 50-100-200)
but 20 years....generally FROM around the year 2000-1999
[WHICH WOULD IMPLY THE END-TIMEs/&/LAST POPE AROUND 2020]


now if the Saint Malachi Pope prediction is to be sound & sure...
and the prediction by the late Fr. Malachi Martin is to be sound & sure...

then the Popes Benedict 16 and the Pope Peter enthronements have to be accomplished in the next 9-10 years..

and these were two highly distinguished Roman Catholic Clergy saying these predictions/prophecies (albiet, some 900 years apart)


i would suggest that the newer Fr Malichai forecasts are/were not dependent on the timeline or event status of the earlier St Malichi prophecies....
but a little deciphering will make clear that the Fatima Prophecy of a period of CHASTIZEMENT and the St Malichai prophecy of 112 Popes
(and the attending TRIBULATION fit rather well together...


who knows if the prophecies and biblical prophecies were centered on the Universal Church = aka the Roman Catholics'

we just have this menue & timeline before us to either rationalize or
poo-pooh... i myself don't think that the interpetation scenario is as dire and as Satanic as the scriptures push us towards thinking...



sorry, i forgot to link the video from Fr Martin, that tells us the end-time destruction & church collapse is only 20 yrs distant:

www.firstrow.net...:-Third-Secret-of-Fatima-Pt5.html


piece together the connections between these supposed unrelated memes/ideas...connect the dots my friends

iow... the 'end' may just be a 'whimper' and not a global extinction event !



[edit on 8-5-2010 by St Udio]

Well if your looking for a time line on the end of the world you could look at Matthew 24.

In verse 24-34 he says that the the generation that sees the first end time event will see the last one as well. Psalms 90 pegs a lifespan at 70 to 80 years. Combine the two with the fact that a nation of Israel was born in 1948 and it would seem the apocalypse has an end date of May 2028 at the latest. But it could be a bit earlier.

So the end of the Catholic Church is in the next 18 years.

Originally posted by Phantomfire707

...on June 26, 2000, the Vatican revealed the key of the Third Secret:
“The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: ‘if (My requests are) not (heeded), she(Russia) will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated.'

Thus in no uncertain terms, Russia would be a major tool and instigator that God will use to punish the world and the Catholic Church.


[edit on 11-4-2010 by Phantomfire707]

Hey Phantomfire707,

I enjoyed your post greatly... However, I'm a little confused... Its been many years since I read a book on the third secret... But if memory serves me correctly... The way to escape the third secret is for the Pope to bless the nation of Russia, and if they fail to do so then Russia will cause the death of not only the Vatican, but also bring destruction to the whole world... Is this what can be read between the lines of your post?

Just looking for clarification.


--Charles Marcello

THe prophecies are only a few words long so they can be interpereted in numerous ways. Very vague.

"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman".

There are many that consider Malachy's prophecies after 1590 forgeries.

Malchy? Malarky.