Questions for those interested:
* Is there a NWO in the makings and will it eventually come about?
If Yes, how long have you been convinced of this and what convinced you?

* What are the pros and cons of the so-far supposed NWO, and having weighed them up are you for or against it?

* If you are for it, can you apply parameters that you think will increase it's chance of being globally beneficial?

* If against it, can you envisage a scenario in which it would be worth having? What are the most important personal losses we would encounter as a result of the NWO? In what way will humanity suffer the most as a species with a somewhat (and arguably ever-increasing) collective experience/community?

I'm really interested to find out what people think about the whole NWO thing. If there are any points you want to make not foreseen by my questions please do so.

Anybody who believes in the NWO, whether they are for or against it, will automatically be assuming a conspiracy. I hope the mods don't move this to chit-chat

heck if it would remove bush i'd say go for it! well the pros are you get to jjoin the galactic federation....less wars....cons.....you only get 1 elected leader for the whole entire world.....if it were bush id nuke his house right now

*I was convinced of a New World Order after much research that made sense and all the events in the world and how timely and how "perfect" and appropriate many of them seem to be. It's amazing how many things turn out to lead to other things that end up with results that aren't considered favorable by most but yet favorable for those who pulled the trigger. It also explains some inexplicable things (like the war in Iraq).

*Clean, controlled, structured. Cons, the only way they'd stay in power is if they didn't know about it. So they'd have to lie to us. Also, they really don't care about us, they're doing it for themselves, so we're basically their slaves. In the end, it's all bad, so I am totally against it.

*The only scenario it would be worth having is one where the leader of this NWO is one with no ambition and does only the best for the people. We may lose certain parts of our privacy, but because the leader thinks rationally, it won't really hamper us.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
*The only scenario it would be worth having is one where the leader of this NWO is one with no ambition and does only the best for the people.

I think that's asking a lot of any individual person. Do you think the "best for the people" would be achieved more easily through some kind of ancient-rome-like Senate.
This raises another question. Assuming a global government, has democracy's history proven its worth? Should the singular NWO leader/NWO Senate be elected, in a democratic fashion.
If so, which charecteristics should be valued highest for potential leader/senate-member candidates? (e.g. intelligence, honesty, compassion etc).

The New World Order is an attempt to restore the Old World Order, whose very foundations were threatened by the American Revolution. Thus, it has been a 200 year effort to revert to Feudalism, in a brand new suit of clothing and essentially planet-wide. To fully understand it you must understand history, and true history is a scarce commodity these days.

You can look at it as one century to find the ideal weapon, and another century of using that weapon, to get the people of the world to voluntarily return to feudal slavery without ever realizing what has happened to them.

The greatest tragedy of the New World Order is that there will be no place to run to, if you should disagree with the system or desire greater freedom for yourself or your family.

Sorry not to respond to the OP's specific points, but you are asking us to compile an encyclopedia.

Is there a NWO in the makings and will it eventually come about?
If Yes, how long have you been convinced of this and what convinced you?

If you read about certain historical events, they all seem to mold into one thing- a better, bigger government

What are the pros and cons of the so-far supposed NWO, and having weighed them up are you for or against it?

There are no pro's to the NWO unless you are an elitist and the con's is that the common person will be slaves to a fuedalism system.

If against it, can you envisage a scenario in which it would be worth having? What are the most important personal losses we would encounter as a result of the NWO? In what way will humanity suffer the most as a species with a somewhat (and arguably ever-increasing) collective experience/community?

Trying to stop the NWO is like trying to stop a freight train with a BB gun.

The New World Order is an attempt to restore the Old World Order, whose very foundations were threatened by the American Revolution

The American Revolution was staged by the Illuminati and it was greatly beneficial to the NWO movement.

Originally posted by Strider
To fully understand it you must understand history, and true history is a scarce commodity these days.

Can you give any links that reflect your views of true history?

You can look at it as one century to find the ideal weapon, and another century of using that weapon, to get the people of the world to voluntarily return to feudal slavery without ever realizing what has happened to them.

The A and H bomb as propelling the NWO's agenda. Fascinating.

The greatest tragedy of the New World Order is that there will be no place to run to, if you should disagree with the system or desire greater freedom for yourself or your family.

I agree completely. The "Nineteen Eighty-Four" angle is the most apparent horror of the supposed NWO.

Sorry not to respond to the OP's specific points, but you are asking us to compile an encyclopedia.

Not at all! Personally (sorry other posters) I consider your post to be the most interesting yet.

Regarding history, I have no links at the moment, but can suggest a few areas worth researching simply by adding a bit to what I wrote above.

First, the successful American Revolution was a shock to the Aristocracy, but nothing at all like the nightmare that occured when the French attempted to follow. The unfortunate results, for anyone with aristocratic connections, were due in part to over a thousand years of repression, but also because in Europe the repressed sleeping giant was the "peasantry", people lacking any education at all, and essentially a mob.

The aristocracy sought a weapon that was psychological in nature, specifically targeted at the peasant mentality, and powerful enough to restore the status-quo. This was discovered in the writing of a philosopher named Hegel, who was immediately supported in a number of vital ways.

Hegel's creation was socialism, which immediately split into right and left, and which has in the following century taken the whole world by storm.

If you study socialism, you will find that in fact there is no underlying philosophy, such as how to best govern, but in fact it is composed entirely of slogans - all aimed at convincing peasants to be happy as cogs in a great machine. On the right, the aristocracy controls the government directly. On the left, they control puppets via money and blackmail. Either way, they maintain full control.

As anyone who has lived in an out of control socialist state can tell you, insanity is often the order of the day, and nothing is what it seems. Consider the state of the U.S. today, and compare.

While there has been considerable effort to darken the history of our country's origins, by pointing out that the founding fathers were not angels, you will find that they created an idea entirely new in our planet's history: That a legal government is the employee or hired servant of the people, that it is created and controlled by a written contract, that it has no power of its own, but only that which can be delegated to it by those individuals who created it in the first place.

This is pure poison to those descendents of murderers and thugs who then and now called themselves "royal". And now, having virtually destroyed our very understanding of the concepts that briefly brought our freedom, they are the ones who will soon rule the whole world.

Originally posted by Strider
While there has been considerable effort to darken the history of our country's origins, by pointing out that the founding fathers were not angels, you will find that they created an idea entirely new in our planet's history: That a legal government is the employee or hired servant of the people, that it is created and controlled by a written contract, that it has no power of its own, but only that which can be delegated to it by those individuals who created it in the first place.

Any thoughts as to why this entirely new idea was not able to be sustained by
a) the singular country from which it was first proposed
b) the predominant world force, seemingly most in the public's current eye and therefore most susceptible to intellectual and/or public criticism?

Unfortunately, the concept of self rule requires an educated electorate, able at least to remember and hold to basic principles. Consequently, the first point of attack was the education system which at that time was essentially private. Many point out that the "public" education system which resulted is primarily aimed at creating "workers". In fact it recreates the peasant class for which socialism was designed, and to which it has the greatest appeal.

Remember too, that this has been a slow, multigenerational process, much easier to see in hindsight than by those living through it. The strongest message of the public school system was that the work of securing freedom was completed, and that all that was left was to enjoy the rewards. The effect has been to create a population that essentially focuses entirely on personal affairs and shuns politics and political thought, on the grounds that it is little more than a circus rather than the key factor that most effects their lives.

To some extent, this is the failure of the founders, who failed to create a system of education to perpetuate their ideals. This was not familiar territory in their time, so perhaps they can be forgiven. The did, however, express their doubts that the people would be able to stay the course over time.

I believe the new world order is all the end of the world stuff as described in the Bible. So yes I believe there is a new world order conspiracy, and have been convinced of it for only a few months. I am against the new world order.

In what way will humanity suffer the most as a species with a somewhat (and arguably ever-increasing) collective experience/community?
The bible talks of great tribulation as has never before existed and never again will exist. That's what I think we are headed for with this new world order.

The only solution? Accept the (true) Messiah and follow the Torah.

Some people say that the American form of government is the best way, but unfortunatly it is man-made, and so is subject to the corruptness of man. That is why we are seeing problems in America today, because any man-made law system is destined to fall apart. The only system which guarantees safety is the Torah, given to us by "god". If man follows the law of God, he will be kept safe by God.

[Edited on 4-6-2004 by Mountain Man]

Originally posted by arsenine

* Is there a NWO in the makings and will it eventually come about?
If Yes, how long have you been convinced of this and what convinced you?

The first George Bush said there was a New World Order in 1991. Anyone not convinced just ain't paying attention.

Also, Bush the First told Americans that there would be no "peace dividend" after the Soviet "threat" evaporated. With this he admitted that the Cold War had been a 40 year fraud.

All out in the open. There was never a conspiracy, just lots of people who didn't want to listen to what the NWO kingpins came right out & said.

Denver International Airport.

I think we are already seeing clear ground work for the new world order,
The classification of unlawful combatants is a sure sign.
No Geneva convention, no rights, just an unlawful tag.
If there is One world government then anyone who opposes or fights against it is a terrorist
or an unlawful combatant.
There cannot be legit violence against the unified state.
The European Economic Union and Nafta are also steps towards consolidating the worlds
economic interests under the world bank.
The ability of Fema to suspend civil rights with no timetable for reinstatement is a pretty
scary Idea.
The lies about massive underground tunnel networks and underground bases and holding
facilities like the Denver Int. Airport are blatant.
Bush has referenced the new world order.
In my mind even the peak oil crisis situation points to something big coming up, if we are
running out of oil, then why are there no alternatives being proposed, what is the viable
alternative to no petroleum based fertilizers and severely lowered global food production as
a result and why is no one in government talking about this in terms of survival.
What is going to happen in the next 25 years that makes this irrelevant?
anyway those are my basic thought about the new world order.
there have been some great posts here!

[Edited on 4-6-2004 by RedHerring]

In my opinion the new world order is like a massive meat market. Gather all your cattle into one MASSIVE field on one farm. Then you can have ultimate control over them.

I remember when I used to watch Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Borg, who want to assimulate everything which will fall under control of one watchful master, have much the same ideals as the new world order.

I reckon the ultimate goal is to gather human souls and feed off them! After all you cannot destory energy and as are souls process infinate energy so they make a great battery!!

I disagree with the NWO. It will just get even worse than it is now.

Originally posted by arsenine
Questions for those interested:
* Is there a NWO in the makings and will it eventually come about?
If Yes, how long have you been convinced of this and what convinced you?
Well, first I must state what is my definition of the the New World Order, since there are so many definitions of this phrase.

I consider the NWO to be a collective group of rich people with historical monetary roots who are in financial control of the overall flow of Western (and the world) society.


* What are the pros and cons of the so-far supposed NWO, and having weighed them up are you for or against it?

I am against it. I say this as a working class citizen of the west. I realise I am priviledged, I switch on the news and see people dying and diseased and I believe that world hungry and disease could be wiped out if such an action was wanted by those in control.


* If against it, can you envisage a scenario in which it would be worth having? What are the most important personal losses we would encounter as a result of the NWO? In what way will humanity suffer the most as a species with a somewhat (and arguably ever-increasing) collective experience/community?

Wow, yes - I rule for all = equality. At the highest theory, a global law system seems fantastic - we all have the same rights, the same laws, regardless of geography, but we know this is a phallacy, there are systems in place which are beyond reconciliation. I believe they were created this way, one way or another, and thus people on each side have an opposing view of reality


I'm really interested to find out what people think about the whole NWO thing. If there are any points you want to make not foreseen by my questions please do so.

Anybody who believes in the NWO, whether they are for or against it, will automatically be assuming a conspiracy. I hope the mods don't move this to chit-chat

I've discussed my ideas with my closed relatives and loved ones, I've been considered a loon, a geek, an idiot, a child. I couldn't give a crap what the people closest to me think regarding these issues, I KNOW something is astray in the world.

I know the official line is WRONG. If no-one believes me, I don't mind, it doesn't make me feel justified, I just know my convictions.

* Is there a NWO in the makings and will it eventually come about?
If Yes, how long have you been convinced of this and what convinced you?

i've been convinced since last year after doing much research on the whole 9-11 conspiracy.

* What are the pros and cons of the so-far supposed NWO, and having weighed them up are you for or against it?

pro- world peace, better economy, better justice system

con- big brother becomes a reality.

in the end i dont know what to thin, but i'm against it anyways because of the attrocities and manipulation carried out by them as a means to bring themselves into power

* If you are for it, can you apply parameters that you think will increase it's chance of being globally beneficial?

free healthcare should be provided to all, and drugs should be leagalised (at least those of the psychadelic variety)

* If against it, can you envisage a scenario in which it would be worth having? What are the most important personal losses we would encounter as a result of the NWO? In what way will humanity suffer the most as a species with a somewhat (and arguably ever-increasing) collective experience/community?

the most important thing we'll lose is our right to privacy which is something i feel very strongly about

I personally really don’t know,

It’s so easy to get caught up in the internet culture. Interestingly, like all cultures, myths and legions are born. These myth and legions are derived from other myth and legion and in turn evolve to have their own spin. Such as, NWO, illuminati, aliens or what ever. Especially with all the media which accompany these myths and legion weather falsified or for real.

My polarity seems to pulls me toward the idea that there are forces trying to create a Nwo. I do believe there are various factions within who are bidding for power and influence with their own concept of the NWO. Some are really trying for the greater good or what they perceive as the greater good (good intensions). Others would seem to have their own selfish agenda. Or perhaps I’m just sucked into a bunch or myth and legions.

One thing I do absolutely believe is humanity is going through a real transitional period in our history unlike ever before. The next 25 year or so are going to greatly determine what our species will become or become of, for better or worse. The choice is all of ours to make

A recent concept I came across is the idea of a FWO, a Free world order, hmm that would be nice.

As for my opinion

If the NWO represented all other freedoms we have come to expect are inherently our right to practice, such as..
If the NWO represented freedom of thought
If the NWO represented freedom of speech

If the NWO represented some kind socialist/capitalist system (i.e. Sweden and other such countries)

I’d be for it




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I wish some of you who talk about a "new world order" would define what you mean by it. I don't see anything on this thread that tells me what you are forecasting... as a result, I think a number of you are discussing completely different outcomes. This makes it difficult to pin down any particular idea for a meaningful response.

My belief? In a sense, new world orders are always being created because history is so dynamic. The world order today is not the same as it was in 1974. And the world order in 1974 is not the same as it was in 1944. It was differrent again in 1914. And so on, and so on. Its safe to say the world order in 2034 will be different again.

I suppose most of you are referring to a concerted effort by some group or alliance of groups to "impose" a particular outcome. Frankly, I don't believe there is any "power" in the world today that is capable of dictating an outcome. True, there are many interest groups striving to make change happen, but inevitably other groups push back. We in the west are currently pushing back on the Islamic extremists. But if the US were to impose some kind of regime, the rest of the world would push back on that.