Originally posted by mrsdudara
Originally posted by DISRAELI
And what exactly is the relevance of the author's ignorance of airplanes and lightbulbs?
Seriously? If he was truely seeing the future that concerns us then he is going to see a vastly different world than anything his imagination could
Yes, seriously. Your objection only applies on the assumption that John is supposed to be seeing a literal "camera view" of future events and then
trying to understand what he sees. But nobody who tries to interpret Revelation is making that assumption. John is shown symbols. The symbols are
completely independent of technology, making the state of technology irrelevant.
For example; there is the symbol of the "beast coming out of the sea". This symbol represents a political state of some kind. We know that, because
the symbol is borrowed from the "beasts" which rise out of the sea in Daniel ch7, and Daniel's beasts are identified as political states at the time.
But a political state is always going to be a political state. It does not matter in the least whether it is armed with swords, muzzle-loading rifles,
Spitfires, or Exocet missiles. The same is true all the way through the book. It's full of symbols. Which means that changes in technology are, as I
If God wanted you to know, then he wouldn't have made it impossible to understand.
I agree, which is why I object to gematria and "Bible Codes" and other "secret message" methods of interpretation. But God has not made it impossible
to understand. He has left a clear key to the book, in the shape of the Old Testament. All we need to do for a very large part of the book is to look
up the borrowed images and see what they meant in the original location;
"What does that image mean? There it is in Daniel. What does that image mean? There it is in Zechariah".
If you want a clear interpretation of Revelation on that basis, check through my previous threads on the subject.
You could try reading them in the original "order of publication" (there were reasons for doing them in that order). In that case, I think the next
one in the sequence would be "4 Horsemen- Why?". Alternatively, there is the more recent "Time, Times, and half a Time" which lays out the
chronological framework of Revelation based on the key point established in this OP.
Finally, you could start with the theological basis of Revelation, and look at the chapters which make clear that all these events are underpinned
and controlled by the power of the Biblical Creator-God (ch4) and that the driving force behind the events of Revelation is the power of the
Atonement, made possible by the death and resurrection of Christ (ch5). In other words, they show that this book, like the rest of the New Testament,
is a presentation of the Christian gospel.
In the presence of God
The Lamb and the scroll
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