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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
This man, this simple Afghan has shown us all how to be. It wasn't a replacement for his beloved family. It was an offering of peace and forgiveness.
Originally posted by LoneGunManSomething most Americans will never understand.
Originally posted by LoneGunManHave any of us truly pondered this?
Originally posted by LoneGunManWe do not have honor, humility or even much empathy anymore.
Originally posted by LoneGunManWe have become a country that needs to be flushed.
It is no longer my Government that I dislike.
I am getting so I really dislike mainstream Americans, my people that I have always loved and protected, laid my life on the line for. A nation that the majority has been left empty because of the corporate influence.
A Godless greedy nation that even refuses to help each other unless they feel they will get something out of it.
A nation of uncivilized dog eat dog animals.
Originally posted by LoneGunManThis simple man has more humanity in him then any one hundred Americans combined.
Originally posted by LoneGunManWe have become what we are supposed to be against.
Forget God bless America, those day are over. Now it needs to be God forgive America.
May God help us to see the light again.
Originally posted by ararisq
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Can you imagine foreign troops killing pregnant american women? Would an apology be accepted here?
We have no use for sheep. I imagine it would have to be something more substantial and useful like two iPads or 2 copies of BattleField: Bad Company or maybe 2 backstage passes to American Idol.
Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by Chevalerous
See because to you that's all it's about. Monetary and physical items as reparations. You know, not every society in the world wants gifts or presents sent to them as an apology. The fact that the vice admiral asked for his forgiveness and the forgiveness of a God that isn't even his own is far more respectable than your fresh fruit and fish.
Nato initially said the soldiers found the women's bodies “tied up, gagged and killed”, but retracted the claim after it was proved to be false.
Admiral McRaven, who heads the US Joint Special Operations Command, said his troops had been acting on faulty intelligence when they stormed the house and the deaths were a “terrible mistake”.
He said: “I am the commander of the soldiers who accidentally killed your loved ones. I came here to send my condolences. I also came to ask your forgiveness for these terrible tragedies.”
Under the Pashtun code of honour a ritual sacrifice is offered at an adversary's door as a way of asking forgiveness.
However, Haji Sharabuddin spared the animal and invited Admiral McRaven into his home. Afghan generals accompanying the US commander gave the family £19,600 in cash.
Haji Sharabuddin said he welcomed the visit but was not concerned about the money and wanted those responsible for the killings to be punished.
Originally posted by Rockstar02
Oh it's not good enough? Says who? Us spoiled Americans? 2 sheep to that man probably means more than anything any of us own
“There’s no value on human life,” Bibi Sabsparie said. “They killed our family, then they came and brought us money. Money won’t bring our family back.”
Seymour Hersh: Congress has no oversight of it. It's an executive assassination wing, essentially. And it's been going on and on and on. And just today in the Times there was a story saying that its leader, a three-star admiral named McRaven, ordered a stop to certain activities because there were so many collateral deaths. It's been going in -- under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or to the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving.
The sources would not identify the "target," but refused to deny that it was bin Laden. We were advised that other al Qaeda captures have been and would continue to take place, many from new information obtained from recently captured al Qaeda sources. Subsequently, a total of 5 independent sources were acquired who corroborated the information that Osama bin Laden was captured by US SOF on or about 20 January 2004 inside of the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The US SOF forces operating in that Aera of Operations (AO) is known as Task Force 121, or TF-121. On December 13, 2003 this same US Special Operations Forces unit captured Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
That is when the silence on Osama began (referring to President Bush on NBC's 'Meet the Press') and continues to this day for the most part. However, that's not the end of the story for NEIN because on the 8th of March from our original source that had been telling us all along to stick to our guns on the OBL story we were also advised by this source that an announcement of Osama bin Laden's capture or suspected death will be made within the next 15-20 days. "It could be sooner or it could be later, but not much later," the source told Northeast Intelligence Network. "Watch for the capture or discovery to be made by Task Force 121, headed by Admiral Bill McRaven."
The apparent lack of care with which the troops conducted the raid on Feb. 12 pushed a family who supported the government away. It took a visit by a three-star for the family to move on and to forgive, which they apparently have.
And that may help quell the demand for an investigation, limiting the fallout of the incident.
"US special forces soldiers dug bullets out of their victims’ bodies in the bloody aftermath of a botched night raid, then washed the wounds with alcohol before lying to their superiors about what happened."
Originally posted by thomas_
Originally posted by Phlynx
By apologizing he stopped a potential suicide bomber, saving countless more lives. This proves that America in the Middle East is one of the primary reason for suicide bombers. This proves that violence only sheds more violence. Just an apology saved a man from committing suicide and killing many others.
Wouldn't be simply easier to simply don't shoot children, pregnant womans or innocent people in general? Or even better, don't shoot at all and go home?
That would have save two womans, two unborn babies, one father's mental health, prevented one possible suicidal bomber of being born, countless others that were witnesses of having reasons to become one and consequently countless lives.
There is no heroism in his act. The true heroes of this war are the ones that refused to be part of it.
Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by Chevalerous
The bottom line is this:
There is nothing in the world -- no amount of money, animals, iPads, fruit, etc. -- to compensate for the loss of family members. PERIOD.
It is not about WHAT the vice admiral gave the man, as much as it is about apologizing and forgiving.
Closure is priceless. Perhaps this provided some for this poor man who was desperate to find out who killed his family -- now he knows.
Would $50K be enough?
How about a herd of sheep?
Maybe he should have been offered residency in the US?
I mean -- there is no right answer. No amount of money brings his family back.
However, the vice admiral took into consideration the customs of this man and his family and honored them. And above all -- admitted he was wrong.
This is a step in the right direction. Ignoring the surviving family members and never acknowledging you killed their loved ones in the first place is almost a worse tragedy than the actual killing. Almost.
This was not a "replacement" for his family. It was a gift and an apology which followed Afghan tradition.
Originally posted by Skydancer
Obama understands the cultural better then most of us.