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The True Hidden Structure of World Power

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posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:19 AM
Proto, I just wanted to say thank you for such an articulate conclusion thus far to what must be years of research.

I believe we are all born with an innate 'lie detector' or what we know as 'gut feeling' and upon reading what you have concluded so far, for the first time the research 'felt right'.

Much respect and keep up the great work.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:20 AM
Well, the details are all on the table. The facts are listed, the players are named, and the goals are exposed, and as they evolve, the human race does nothing but sit there like deer in headlights watching an inevitable demise rapidly approach their lives.

Americans would do well to pick up OLD books and read them, especially ones written during the times of the founding of this country.

One such author was known as Mercy Otis Warren, who published a book in the year 1805 entitled


In her book Mrs Warren gives explicit details about the Continental Congress, the main players who initiated, directed, and ultimately involved themselves in collusion with the imagined enemy to "terminate" the war, which is what happend, instead of "winning" it.

These Free Masons then went as "statesmen" to various countries and remained for a time within their courts, to give America a chance at legitimate commerce. What they really were involved with was the transaction of right and souvriegnty as granted by the DEFENDER OF THE FAITH AND PRINCE OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, for political gain on a personal level.

Mrs. Warren goes into implicit detail about the demeanors of the esteemed gentlemen who went abroad as ambassadors of the New Nation. One I remember in particular was Adams, how he was commissioned to Great Britain, to negotiate a treaty of Commerce with the king.

Adams stayed in England for 5 years, and it was obviously evident that when he returned, it was as less an American Patriot and more of one in favor of British Law, and king and crown.

Mrs. Warren also supplies for the reader all of the appendixes that make important documented notations on events and people involved with them that brought about that marvelously wonderful document known as the Treaty of Peace between the United States and the King of England... post revolution.

The document itself is included in the appendices as well, and let me tell you, the first time I read the content of that treaty I just put the book down in shock, realizing after I'd read the wording of it that basically, That treaty signed back over to the control of the King of England, the United States and it's People.

Mrs Warren makes this comment towards the end of the third volume of her marvelously enlightening documentary. It's worded like so:


"This is the usual course of human conduct, however painful the reflection may be to the patriot in retirement, and to the philosopher absorbed in theoretic disquisitions on human liberty, or the portion of natural and political freedom to which man has a claim. The Game of deception is played over and over to mislead the judgement of men, and work on their enthusiasm, until by their own consent, hereditary crowns and distinctions are fixed, and some scion of royal descent is entailed forever upon them. Thus by habit they are ready to believe that mankind in general are incapable of the enjoyment of that liberty which nature seems to prescribe, and that the mass if the people have not the capacity nor the right to choose their own masters."

~ Mercy Otis Warren, 1805

Thanks you gentlemen, for revealing this dragon's diabolical schemes against the populace, once again.

In retrospect, all this really makes me wish I lived in Chile... at least you know what's out to kill you there.

[edit on 9-4-2010 by DarkspARCS]

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:33 AM
reply to post by DarkspARCS

and that the mass if the people have not the capacity nor the right to choose their own masters."

and they never have. anywhere on the planet, ever ever EVER. this was a constitutional republic, meaning the people did not have the final say in anything, ever ever EVER. did i mention "ever"? the best you could hope for was to vote people out of office locally, if they didn't vote while in office, to your liking. it has always been that way in the usa.

where the REAL conspiracy resides is in who is allowed to attain wealth and status commensurate with such a position of power. and it has always been that way, everywhere on the planet. when we boil it down to this very basic position, we then can see where the actual problems reside. the problem is either the individual and/or forces within that individual's life, that control that individual's destiny. an example of such a power play is status within a community based on things like religion or lack thereof, finances, education, physical appearance (like race, gender, or standards of physical beauty and health) and of course, the more genteel aspects, such as social skills.

[edit on 9-4-2010 by undo]

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 07:23 AM
reply to post by undo

Well said. Most of the answer lies in our putting so much trust in an archaic way of thought.. we like to see ourselves as equal, yet we willingly raise other Humans up to god like status.. be it politicians or movie stars.. add wealth, which brings power, to the situation and it doesn't take a world wide conspiracy to make men greedy..

Why are we in the situation that we are? The economy, our position in World events and so forth? money.. power.. corruption.. greed.. all things that are archaic, they need no instigator or controller.. they need only to be left alone to fester and it spreads like a disease..

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 08:09 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Those are some powerful assertions. Factually challenged as i may be, it surely rings true.

I suppose it just boils down to logic. Logically, did an upstart group of colonies really win indepence from their masters on their terms?? Seems highly unlikely without some kind of truce or understanding. I've lived in the world of your desrcription.

Controlling the masses is the overarching theme. Who is more easily controlled, the lowly serf or subject of controlled colony or the "free man" who re-tells the stories of yesteryear about how we won our freedom in a glorious victory, the little guy won, hooorah!!!!

OOps gotta go, gotta go work 3 jobs, wouldn't want to lose my freedom. April 15th is comin.

Great thread. Seriously!!! I'm out of the Matrix. I say bring it, The French Revolution Redux!!!!!!!!

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 08:33 AM
reply to post by ancientfuturist

Here's some food for thought:

Obama’s “Connections” to Rome and the Vatican

The most comprehensive list of the Chain of Command leading and controlling Obama and his administration. See who really runs the show from the top to the bottom (Obama). Read their credentials and connections.

Obama’s “real” Chain of Command

Adolfo Nicolas
30th Superior General, Society of Jesus
“The Black Pope”

Pope Benedict XVI
Vicar of Christ/Vicar of Horus
“The White Pope”

James E. Grummer, S.J.
American Assistant to General Nicolas
Borgo di Santo Spirito #5, Rome
Master of US Jesuit Conference
Master of American Jesuit University Presidents
Master of 10 American Provincials
Master of New York Provincial

Thomas H. Smolich. S.J.
President, US Jesuit Conference
Former California Provincial
Former Master of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
Conspirator: Present Chinese-Mexican Invasion
Conspirator: Future Sino-Soviet-Muslim Invasion

David S. Ciancimino, S.J.
New York Provincial
Overseer of Archbishop of New York City
Occult Overseer of New York City
Wall Street, Federal Reserve, NYSE

Joseph M. McShane, S.J.
President, Jesuit Fordham University
Bronx, New York
“Penholder for Cardinal Egan”
Notice: Equilateral Triangle Pendant
Masonic symbol for the Risen Horus

Pope Benedict the XVI
Roman Papal Caesar
Egyptian Osiris
Vicar of Christ/Vicar of Horus

Edward Cardinal Egan
“Prince of the Pope’s Church”
Roman Papal Senator

Edward Cardinal Egan
Archbishop of New York City
“Archbishop of the Capital of the World”
“The American Pope”
Head: American Branch of the Knights of Malta
Head: Knights of Columbus

Occult Master of:
Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree
American Scottish-Rite Freemasonry
Council On Foreign Relations
B’nai B’rith/Anti-Defamation League
Central Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Office of Naval Intelligence
The Pentagon

Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J.
President Emeritus, Jesuit Fordham University
Bronx, New York
Member: Knights of Malta
Presider: Council on Foreign Relations
Advisor to Knight of Malta David Rockefeller, CFR
Advisor to Knight of Malta Henry Kissinger, CFR
Advisor to Michael Bloomberg
Mayor, New York City
Papal Knight of the Vatican’s Revived
“Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem“—Israel

John J. DeGioia
President Jesuit Georgetown University
Member: Knights of Malta
Member: Council On Foreign Relations
Adminstrator: “Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem“—Israel

Richard N. Haass
Chairman: Council on Foreign Relations
New York City
Servant of Edward Cardinal Egan
Overseer of AIPAC:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
Freemasonic Jewish Labor Zionist
Court Jew for the Pope
Adminstrator: “Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem“—Israel

Zbigniew Brzezinski
Member: Knights of Malta
Member: Bilderberg Group
Member: Council On Foreign Relations
Member: Trilaterial Commission
Advisor: Jesuit Georgetown University
Polish Roman Catholic Socialist-Communist
Professor: Columbia University, New York
Recruiter of Barry Soetoro, 1981
Creator of “Barack Hussein Obama”

George Soros
Member: Council on Foreign Relations
Member: Carlyle Group
Major Stockholder: Halliburton
Hungarian Jew: Socialist-Communist
Financial Backer of Barack Hussein Obama
Friend of Rupert Murdoch
Freemasonic Jewish Labor Zionist
“Court Jew for the Pope”

Rupert Murdoch
Member: Council on Foreign Relations
Member: Knights of St. Gregory
International Media Mogul
Owner: Fox News Network
Friend of George Soros
Occult Protector of Barack Hussein Obama
Bill O’Reilly – The O’Reilly Factor

Sean Hannity – Hannity & Combes

Joseph R. Biden
Papal Knight; Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor
Vice President: Rome’s “Holy Roman”
14th Amendment American Empire
Alter Ego: Jesuit Advisor to
President Barry Davis Obama
Promoter: Council on Foreign Relations
Honorary Degrees:
Jesuit University of Scranton, Scranton, PA
Jesuit St. Joseph’s University, Philadelphia, PA

Barry Davis
“Barack Hussein Obama”
32nd Degree Prince Hall Freemason
President of Rome’s “Holy Roman,”
14th Amendment American Empire
Sunni Moslem, Pretended Protestant Christian
Mulatto: Mulatto Father, White Mother
Father: Frank Marshall Davis, Jr.
Wife: Michelle, Member: Chicago CFR
Obama: CFR-Controlled and CFR Spokesperson
Obama: Promoted by the late William F. Buckley, Jr.
Buckley: Knight of Malta, Bonesman, Bilderberger, CFR Member
Buckley: Promoter of Reverse Discrimination against Whites
Buckley: Promoter of a Coming Black President
Obama: Trained in Romanism, Islam and Apostate Protestantism
Obama: “Nimrod”; Pretended Unifier of Whites and Blacks
Obama: Promoter of the Papal Crusade against Shia Islam
Obama: Promoter of Bush’s Papal Inquisition
Against Protestant American Liberties
Obama: Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor
Promotor of the Black Pope’s Counter-Reformation
Barry Davis: “Altar Boy” of Pope Benedict XVI

Zibignew Brzezinski is a Roman Catholic Knight of Malta connected to the Jesuits of Georgetown University and was the mentor of Barry Soetoro, alias “Barack Hussein Obama” while attending Columbia University, now Columbia College, in New York.

“Obama” was mentored by “ex-Jesuit” Greg Galluzzo of the Gamaliel Foundation when Obama was working the streets of Chicago.

Roman Catholic papal knight Joe Biden is the master of Obama. Biden was the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee which he chaired, and holds honorary degrees from the Order’s Saint Joseph’s University in Philadelphia and the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania.

Biden is a darling of the Jesuits of Georgetown University and subject to the Temporal Power of Pope Benedict XVI.

Benedict XVI—”the White Pope”—is subject to the power of “the Black Pope,” Adolfo Nicolas; Jesuits are the “penholders” of the pope. The foreign policy of the Biden/Obama administration is the foreign policy of the Vatican. From FDR to Obama, all foreign policy has been dictated by Rome overseen by the Jesuit Superior General.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 09:42 AM
I received a U2U last night from a fellow member who was curious as to why I didn’t speak more about people like Rothschild or Rockefeller in this thread.

One of the first things I try to do when it comes to discussions on Rome, the Corporate Government, or really any subject, is to lay as strong a fundamental and rudimentary foundation of the overall system and how it has developed throughout history, to provide the background and broad stroke knowledge, that provides the context so people can see how the different elements tie together.

There is no denying that people like Rothschild and Rockefeller control astounding levels of wealth, and have seemingly tremendous influence in events and the scheme of things, but the underlying reality is they simply are members of an organization where no one is technically indispensible.

In other words if a Rothschild or Rockefeller got kidnapped by space aliens, fell into a bottomless pit, were arrested, tried, and convicted for their crimes against humanity, stripped of their wealth, and thrown into prison or executed, that in and of itself, would not change, be an end, or put an end to the system of domination being employed.

They would simply be replaced with other personalities, what ever wealth and resources that were initially lost in the drama, would eventually find there way back to Rome anyway.

Rome has been behind world events and our shared systems of government for going on three thousand years. Rockefellers and Rothschilds come and go; Rome is fabled to be eternal for a reason.

It’s very much like the Pittsburgh Steelers or any other team organization, the team doesn’t cease being a contender just because Terry Bradshaw or Mean Joe Greene retires. Someone else of formidable talent comes along to take their place in time, and they go right back to winning Super Bowls.

Why? Because the individual’s success has a lot more to do with the mission and the principles and best practices of the organization, the recruiting and coaching staff, the strategists, the administrational offices, that simply provide the venue, experience, and infrastructure that gets the most out of talent, so it can shine and do what it does best.

It’s a business of course, and the fact that one or two people might get the glory, or notoriety, or even the infamy, for their posterity and ego, doesn’t really mean anything to the business principles, who more often than not, would just as soon as maintain their anonymity, because there are a million potential Terry Bradshaws out there who would love the chance to perform in such an organization and system, and millions more who would like some other related slice of the pie.

Yet as a culture we tend to focus on personalities, and individuals, and raise them to cult like status, rarely considering the vast network of individuals, or organizations that are behind them, or above them, that work behind the scenes to make the personality’s moments in the spotlight spectacular and memorable.

This is as true as it is in business, politics, entertainment and sports.

No one is an island, and no one of any fame or notoriety achieves it with out a vast network of support, an organized network of support and benefactors, sponsors and mentors.

The same is true for luminaries like Rothschild and Rockefeller.

If you really want to stop the Pittsburgh Steelers from being perennial Super Bowl Contenders, you not only would have to eliminate the Pittsburgh Steelers organization and franchise, but all of the NFL.

Going after the situation piecemeal accomplishes nothing.

Most of our public figures whether they are in Business or Politics or Religion, are designed to be lightening rods, to capture attention, and to keep attention focused on them.

Why, because they keep focus off the organization, systems, benefactors, mentors, and true beneficiaries, and are expendable in that role.

If the people need a pound of flesh to be appeased, a pound of flesh can be easily sacrificed.

One of the main reasons I try to weigh in heavily on threads dealing with Rome, is for many people Rome’s quarterback is a fellow named Jesus Christ, and they imagine Rome to really be about religion, and limited in power to the extent of how many people root for or support the Catholic Team.

Yet nothing could be further from the truth, Rome simply uses a religious system of control, amongst its many systems of control for those who are religiously inclined.

In other words if your only focus is on religion, is on Christ, is on Catholicism, is on the Pope, then naturally that’s all you are going to see.

That’s the way Rome prefers it to be, when it can have its druthers.

Yet behind the Vatican lays a powerful organization, so international in scope, it exists in practically every country in the world. That’s a heck of an impressive organization. It also enjoys a series of treaties and agreements, many of them carved out secretly, rarely spoken of, or read, with just about every nation on earth, dating back over a thousand years!

It also controls the largest portion of physical wealth, resources, gems, art, literature, and land.

There is a reason why world leaders fall all over themselves to meet the Pope and kiss his ring. Those leaders are not and have never been limited to those of Christian nations; the Popes have routinely had their audiences sought out by Communist, Fascist, and Islamic heads of state and organizations too.

Why would that be, if it was simply all about a religion, a branch of a religion, and a branch of a religion that has for centuries been made to appear on the decline?

It’s very simple when you realize that the Vatican and the Pope are just fronts for the collective power and wealth of Rome.

What confuses so many people is as individuals we tend to be drawn to charismatic personalities, pomp and circumstance, drama and spectacle.

We focus on the glamorous, on the enticing, on the drama, and spectacle and get drawn into it.

In fact Organized Religion has little to do with spirituality and a lot to do with drama and spectacle, Catholic Mass approximates the ceremony of an Imperial Roman Court, but the truth is no matter what religion you are in, the worship services are all about spectacle and drama, well choreographed and thought out movements and moments, meant to engross, and entertain people with the spectacle and drama.

Spectacle and drama that is always bigger than the individual, and the individual finds validation, safety and strength and entertainment in taking part in.

Whether it’s the pomp and circumstance and drama and spectacle of an official visit by the Queen of England, a Presidential Inauguration, or public address, Hitler’s breathtaking torch processions or rallies, Independence Day Celebration, the Super Bowl or Final Four, or even the Jerry Springer Show, people are fixated by the rituals, the anthems, the ceremony, the choreography, and the drama and spectacle of so much humanity participating in a focused way.

Yet what you are focused on is a show, and what you are meant to take away from it are only the elements imparted by design in that show.

In other words sound bites.

Whether it’s Jesuits, or Catholics, Masons or Mormons, Muslims or Militia Men, they all have their ceremonies meant to bind them together in ritualized drama and spectacle.

We have been trained to look to the drama and spectacle for information, for answers, for clues, but drama is in reality fiction, simply designed to be entertaining, to sooth the savage beast.

What resides behind the personalities, the drama, the spectacle are organizations and systems, and if we want to change the world, we have to learn to understand the systems that are being employed, to understand organizations true purposes and missions, and to then defeat those systems and organizations by depriving them of their logistical capabilities.

We won’t ever do that focused on drama and spectacle, we won’t ever do that thinking and speaking in the language of emotion, and we won’t ever do that if and when we aren’t humans, but see ourselves as a member of an institution, brotherhood, society, nation, or religion first and foremost, and have that underlying need to justify and quantify that, and defend it, based on personality, drama and spectacle.

Eyes on the prize, and trust me when I say Rothschild and Rockefeller are no prize, neither is the Pope, or the Black Pope, but the organizational systems that stand behind them and above them, laid out in a pyramid hierarchy, that if you want to change the world, you have to climb all the way to the top of where it emanates, not getting bogged down by drama, spectacle or personalities meant to distract and dissuade you.


posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:22 AM

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I agree that the Black Pope is the highest visible power in the world.

But what I want to know is, what is the invisible power above that?

Now, I know a lot of people say aliens or demons, but really what do you think?

Well that is the next logical step IMHO. Most of the world is controlled by these secret societies which are vestiges of the Roman Empire, and those secret societies are in turn controlled by some ET race or other.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:26 AM
reply to post by nuffsaid747

eric jon phelps? are you him or did you quote his material?
that sounds like him. he's the only one i've read on this issue who pays attention the knights of malta connection between all the big wigs.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 11:07 AM
reply to post by Northwarden

hey mark its vinnie.....this # is so true

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 11:16 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The entire concept of banking, in its modern form, originated in Northern Italy with the Medicis and the Lombardis with the help of Leonardo di Fibonacci.
(Fibonacci did the math that showed them how to do it)
It just so happened that because of Usury laws, the Jews naturally became the bankers when the Pope and his entourage had control.

It all comes down to banking and the point is to follow the source, the money.

The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds are but dupes for the people with the real control.

The M.O. of mystery schools is to compartmentalize in order to minimize damage to each of their respective forms of the craft, but they can all be traced back to the one thing, the Kaballah, and in some ways the Talmud.

I am not a Jew basher, at all. So DO NOT throw around that "anti-Semite" red herring.

I am adamantly against the state of Israel (only from their practices not their statehood) and mystery initiate religions (only from participating in Government), but I know a LOT Of Jews who are similarly against the state of Israel.
Not its existence, but its practices.

The Vatican is the spiritual center of the Empire of the City.
The Corporation of the City of London controls and sets the monetary rates for the ENTIRE WORLD, save the very few countries with central banks not connected to the Bank of International Settlements.
And DC is the military arm of the Empire of the City.

In each of these three cities you will find an obelisk placed in a very specific place.

This is because the same families that usurped the original black African bloodline of the Pharoahs did the same with the with the Roman Empire when once, or should I say finally, the Roman Empire, now under the guise of the holy roman empire or Vatican, had a Pope who was actually a Pope of the people.

These people practice a mystery religion that has been infused into every other religion known to man.
That is what happened at the council at Nicaea.
All religions are copies or allegories of the first, or should I say worst, of all religions.

Pope John Paul the first realized to what to degree that the Vatican had been infiltrated by those on the opposite team, and he started to investigate it and root it out, and he was murdered 30 days later.

This was not long ago people, but the newbies out there should look into the death of Pope John Paul the 1st.

This is the official view of John Paul's death. Here

And here is the "conspiracy" behind his death.

It can also be found underneath the Roberto Calvi Affair.
Found Here.

As far as the Vatican and the British Empire go, this is what I understand it.

The Pope, I think that it was Innocent the II?, issued a papal bull making him owner of the world.

But the Magna Carta was paramount to this papal bull, ultimately negating it. So the Pope issued another papal bull trumping the Magna Carta, but because England has its own version of protestantism, the Anglican Church, then the bull was supposedly invalid.



We are controlled by three city states.

The Vatican (spiritually)
The Corporation of the City of London (financially)
The District of Columbia (militarily)

And the DC faction of the Empire of the City will do this without war, through a campaign of propaganda and indoctrination.

Not too dissimilar to Freemasonry and the Mystery Schools.

They are all tied together and at the bottom of it all lurks the Kaballah, which in order to worship the Kaballah, being Jewish is NOT required.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 11:37 AM

Originally posted by ancientfuturist

Kennedy was the last non-puppet American president, and one of very few ever who had made full use of executive powers in defiance of foreign power plots. He was also the first and only Catholic president- and after reading the material below and doing your own research, you'll see the irony in this and understand exactly why he was killed.

He was correct.

Exactly. Now Presidents do what they are told, for fear of thier life. If they even question anything..., False Flag operations, military operations or what have you, the people "really" pulling the strings, probably just say, "Yea it's a shame what happen to Kennedy, you know there's STILL alot of crazy people out there like Oswald" with a wink and a smile.

Starred and Flagged. Because JFK was indeed the last real, "non-puppet" Pesident as you said..., and look what it got him

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 11:44 AM
So this is the guy currently at the top of the pyramid. Fr. Adolpho Nicolás, S.J., the Black Pope.

He sure doesn't look the part (of most powerful man in the world). What's in it for him? In what way does he personally benefit from all of this power?

There is some stuff here I just don't get.

- or is he just another cog in the machine answering to more above him - a group not yet explained here?

[edit on 4/9/2010 by wayno]

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:10 PM
reply to post by wayno

It would be more appropriate to think of him in the true Roman terms that frame Roman Governance and that would be Co-Consul.

Rome always has two Consuls, one stays at home and tends to affairs of the state, and that would be the White Pope, one travels abroad and pursues military conquests, that would be the Black Pope.

Conversely if you were to take a picture of Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the Nazi SS, in civilian clothes or in a Priests garb, with his thick lens glasses he too would look equally benevolent with a broad smile on his face.

What was in it for Himmler? Power, control, posterity, validation and relevance, but to name a few, and in fact people kill for less, much less, all the time, but it is always a good idea to pursue motive.

He sits atop one arm of Rome, not on top of the pyramid; he fulfills a function for the Roman state and Empire.

As I have mentioned in my post above, spectacle, the spectacle of what we perceive a person to be like, based on their own character presentation and appearance is deceiving, if we are going to substitute first hand knowledge and detailed study and analysis of the individual simply in favor of a carefully cultivated picture image they present, and what we imagine that picture represents, based upon our own stereotypical assumptions.

What he looks like to me, is a human being, all of which are fraught with inherent faults, and all of which are capable of heinous and barbarous acts.

A picture is truly worth a thousand words, but those words, are always authored by the beholder, and based and framed on their own unique perspectives on the world and other people.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:29 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Aliens and extraterrestrials are to atheists and agnostics, what God is to Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and that is simply a self perpetuated belief system that there is something bigger that controls human destiny than humans themselves.

It is entirely possible that beings from other planets or dimensions visit or even cohabitate the earth. It is entirely possible that supernatural beings with godlike abilities also exist.

Yet it is entirely unlikely that either have much use, patience for, or understanding a violent, factitious, and superstitious people.

Hi ProtoplasmicTraveler

Your posts in this thread have all been fantasic, but I must say I disagree with you on this point.

Assuming that there are ET civilizations out there more advanced than ours, the temptation for some of them to meddle in our affairs must be great.

How simple would it be for a small number of them to arrive on our planet in a "UFO", unannounced, make use of some magic/advanced technology like holography, clones, mind-control etc, get all the world leaders and secret societies under their control - and then rule our planet like God-Kings? Have as much power, wealth, women etc as they could ever want?

Greed and Powerlust and Evil aren't limited to our planet, I'm sure

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:29 PM
reply to post by ancientfuturist

Originally posted by ancientfuturist
A strongman will come for America. The people will cheer his every word because their inner thoughts he will say aloud. Stalin, Hitler, and Mao were just warm-ups.

Thats perfectly put. Ive warned people about Ron Paul a number of times on this site because hes telling us what we want to hear. So often thats all it takes to manipulate and lead a people to terrible deeds.

Its like they say: in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. In the land of liars, someone telling ONE LESS LIE will be worshipped. All you have to do is say a few truths but still repeat the same old lies, people will love you for the truth and ignore your lies.

And people dont think 'it could happen' in the US. Psychological warfare works on ALL humans.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:29 PM

Originally posted by ancientfuturist
In one of his speeches, President John F. Kennedy had this to say on April 27, 1961:

"....For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."

Kennedy was the last non-puppet American president, and one of very few ever who had made full use of executive powers in defiance of foreign power plots. He was also the first and only Catholic president- and after reading the material below and doing your own research, you'll see the irony in this and understand exactly why he was killed.

He was correct.

Aaaaand...that's where you lost.

Here's the speech that out-of-context quote was extracted from:

Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Kinda obvious what his meaning was, wasn't it? Especially since he starts the speech with a story about Karl Marx.

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:44 PM
reply to post by Josephus23

As far as the Vatican and the British Empire go, this is what I understand it.

The Pope, I think that it was Innocent the II?, issued a papal bull making him owner of the world.

But the Magna Carta was paramount to this papal bull, ultimately negating it. So the Pope issued another papal bull trumping the Magna Carta, but because England has its own version of protestantism, the Anglican Church, then the bull was supposedly invalid.

Actually William the Conqueror was nice enough to bestow and bequeath his Kingdom and all his possessions, and any thing his heirs would ever acquire to the Pope in the 11th Century in exchange for his blessing.

The religious amongst us will imagine that to be spiritual in nature, but the reality is the Pope’s blessing is simply the Pope agreeing to allow and not stand in the way of something, like say the take over of Britannia!

Sadly a contract is a contract, and while many people imagine that the apparent row between King Henry the VIII and the Vatican over his many wives represented a major rift or shift, in reality like so many other things Rome does, it was simply a way for both parties to save face.

Rome couldn’t very well give him divorce after divorce and maintain the notion of the sanctity of eternal marriage, and Henry couldn’t very well allow his bloodline to die out without taking ever effort to sire an heir, humanly possible.

What people don’t get is whether it’s the Protestant Reformation or the Anglican Church of England, it was still an adherence to the Christian system, propagated and imposed by Rome.

Think in terms of political parties, many of us believe the Federal Government to be so corrupt as possibly beyond the point of repair, while at the same time imagining that a valid Constitutional Frame Work has to be preserved in repairing it and changing it.

Many people feel that neither Democrats nor Republicans are the solution, so along comes the Tea Party with the intent of taking a different approach.

Yet those approaches will invariably be framed by the same Constitutional principles that have long ago been corrupted and subverted.

So does that represent a radical change in the system? No, not at all, and the same is true of the Protestant Reformation and the Anglican Church of England or any other Schism that has transpired as Christianity put forth by Rome, fractionalizes into various altered more user friendly systems.

It’s not as Henry proclaimed himself God or made Christianity illegal, what we see is in fact simply just a franchising of the system, for once again political control, but localized political control, emanating from London and not Rome.

Yet during this time period of supposed rebellion against Rome, many of the Monarchs continued to hold the title of prince of Rome, and some even Prince Electors of Rome and arch-treasurers of Rome like King George did, the English Monarch that incorporated the United States in the aftermath of the American Revolution.

So where was the schism with Rome at the top of the power structure? Same system of Christian laws and principles, same titles emanating and bequeathed by Rome, and the same seeking of the Grace of God, the Blessing of the Pope in anything major, so as usual what you have is one explanation for the befuddled and easily placated masses, yet a series of agreements honored by the upper echelon in the top tiers of leadership that belie and undermine those things that the masses are told and come to believe in.

It’s all about power and control.

Now lets look at the Black Pope and the White Pope a moment. One can not exist without the other. For the system is based on Catholicism and the Jesuits are Catholic Priests, take away Catholicism and you loose the very pretext in which they operate and there base of power.

This is why whether it’s the Protestant Reformation, or the Anglican Church, The Ethiopian Coptic, The Greek or the Russian Orthodox, the schisms are meaningless because they all propagate and promote the same religious based control systems, with only slightly varied interpretations of religious law that make it palatable for regional and national notions that are a big part of the divisions, that create the base and the stage for divide and conquer warfare, of having people control and if need be eliminate one another through those pronounced differences.

The truth is that the commonalities between all humans, including Jews, Christians and Muslims far outweigh the differences, but we are taught to fear the differences, and to seek unity and pride through validating the differences, by focusing on what comprises a difference, even though they are minuscule in comparison to the commonalities.

The truth is thanks to William the Conqueror the American Colonies were never the property of the British Monarchy to begin with.

Rome leases back England to the Royal Family, and allows them to retain a profit off of administering it and governing it, which they are in a far better position to do, and in a far better position to exploit the subjects of.

The unilateral declaration of voiding a contract in theory works no more easily for a nation or a monarch than it would for you disavowing your mortgage or your credit card bills.

Ultimately in some fashion you will be held to account in some way, shape manner or form.

Heads of State are simply point men for the Roman Power Structure, Generals very rarely lead their forces into battle, especially in this day and age. They stay in the rear with the gear.

Who is on point is not running the show, and while the masses might envision that they can unilaterally create binding documents, or alter binding agreements, they still just like the Revolutionaries in America have to deal with the international community, that they have to do trade with, for vital resources that they don’t have domestically.

If and when you attempt to burn the international creditors and stake owners, and title holders in that endeavor, they always enjoy the ability to cut off lines of credit, disallow trade through embargos and blockades, and typically end up collecting through one means or another as a result.

It might not happen over night.

A group of treasure hunters were appalled after recovering the gold laden wreck of a mid nineteenth century American Paddle Wheel Steam Ship, that the treasure was laid claim to in International Court by the Insurance Company who had paid off the ship’s principles in the mid-late 1800’s.

They were awarded a finders commission, but the International Court recognized the Insurance Company’s claim even though the ship had been lost for well over a hundred years, and everyone involved at the time of the sinking was long dead!

A contract is a contract.

And as they say, the devil is in the details!

[edit on 9/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:47 PM
Thank you this very well written and informative piece.

I've been doing research for about a year now that started from a college paper about the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking. Since then I've been diving deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, so to speak and the milestone that I reached was that indeed the "empire never ended."

I am curious as what we can do with this information. What is next on their agenda? What can the average Joe living in the US or anywhere for that matter do?

It seems as though, that in the face of such powerful adversaries, we are hopeless

Thanks again!

posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by cupocoffee

How simple would it be for a small number of them to arrive on our planet in a "UFO", unannounced, make use of some magic/advanced technology like holography, clones, mind-control etc, get all the world leaders and secret societies under their control - and then rule our planet like God-Kings? Have as much power, wealth, women etc as they could ever want?

First if in fact aliens are present, which I am not in a position to neither confirm nor deny through first hand knowledge, lets agree that they are alien!

Meaning they are not like you or I, from our world, or likely have our same values, or tastes.

So imagining alien motivation based on our own is in fact all based on imagination, human imagination, human perspective, and human ideals, which chances are aliens don’t exactly share.

But let’s ask some serious questions shall we?

First why does anyone hide their identity or presence?

That’s always a tactical decision, meant as a form of defensive protection. If someone is on the defense, it means they have a better chance of survival and staying in the game than they would on the offense.

In other words they aren’t in a true position of strength.

Now let’s look at strength, there is physical strength, mental strength, emotional strength and technological strength.

So if we are using physical strength as a gauge of the true capability to dominate, then by that measure, Bears, Lions and Tigers would be running the world and not human beings.

Creature to creature, an unarmed man up against a Grizzly Bear is bound to loose!

So how then does man dominate the Grizzly Bear, through greater mental strength, by employing strategies to not fight the bear unarmed, and to use technology when at all possible to offset physical strength.

Now let’s look at physical strength, technology and mental strength.

An armored Humvee full of heavily armed U.S. Marines in body armor enjoys a technological advantage over Afghani or Iraqi Insurgents. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in advanced equipment, hundreds if not thousands of hours of advanced training, technically give them an tactical advantage over lesser equipped and lesser trained insurgents.

Humvee and Marines meet improvised explosive, made at home, with a few simple every day components, ingeniously hidden and designed to go off and aimed at the weakest part of your defense.

David meet Goliath, Goliath meet David.

The truth is that it’s doubtful any metal or technology is going to survive a point blank nuclear detonation at its weakest point.

There is a reason Aliens are hiding if they are amongst us, and if they are amongst us, they are in fact hiding.

Now as far as their superior technology, technology is only a force multiplier to a certain factor. There is a reason why America’s enemies don’t attempt to attack our shores in mass, and that’s because they lack the logistical capability to transport a large enough force and land it at one time. Even if Alien Technology gave them a 100 to 1, or 1,000 to one advantage, with 6 Billion humans on the planet, they better have a pretty darn big invasion fleet.

There is a reason Aliens are hiding if they are amongst us, and if they are amongst us, they are in fact hiding.

It is because they fear us, and could only possibly control us, by using human agents, utilizing human psychology and motivational and fear factor tools.

Now why are they here? It’s real doubtful it’s for the hot earth women, we are after all different species and as interspecies sex goes, I can’t say I am very attracted to many dogs, sheep, horses, or bears, but I must admit I find the idea of mating with a Giraffe a real logistical challenge!

So scratch the women, it is likely they would be after resources; our money would be worthless to them, as I doubt there is an exchange in it on their home planet, and since its just paper attached to nothing of real value, that’s real doubtful.

So what resources would they be after, and keep in mind, one of industries and sciences main objectives in space exploration is to mine for minerals.

So what minerals would there be on earth that an advanced technology would need. More importantly how would they pay for them, and how could those humans trading with them, hide the trade taking place.

Now we know when technologically advanced Europeans invaded the Americas that many of them traded with the Indian Tribes. What did the Indians have, furs and food, what did we have to trade, technology, gadgets, and art.

They say the Island of Manhattan was picked up for 14.00 dollars in trinkets.

So the only thing of value the Aliens would have to trade would be technology for these resources.

Your most likely bet is Gold, it’s heavy and compact, and it wouldn’t take long to transfer it and load it in a secretive manner.

So maybe some aliens are stopping by for precious metals, or minerals, and some of the elites are trading with them in exchange for technology or medicine.

They aren’t the factor people imagine and fear them to be, the technology is not an end all be all, ask the marines being blown up by IED’s, and brute strength is not an end all be all, ask any bearskin rug you happen to see how that worked out for them.

They aren’t present in large enough numbers to safely reveal themselves, if in fact they are present, and ask yourself this, if you a shape shifting reptilian wouldn’t you consider your natural form to be the most pleasing, and convenient? If you were really in a position of superior and assured strength why would you be hiding or taking on a disguise, the truth is you wouldn’t.

Whether the drama and spectacle is real, the fascination with notions of Alien cultures, religions and technologies is all based on hypothetical speculation, none have been captured, none have been dissected, and none have even been properly documented.

Whether it’s a belief that the elites utilize ancient and arcane black magic, or are aided by superior off world beings and technology, its really just another way to say, hey I think I will sit this one out, do nothing, and try to enjoy the drama of it all as best I can.

There is no logical or common sense reason to fear aliens amongst us, or anything for that matter, for there is one thing that humans are good at, and that is when they do have shared resolve, they are good at overcoming all forms of adversity.

Alien beings, would be no exception to this rule. Either way, by your own admission you have to climb up the elite structural ladder to get to them, so might as well focus on what is known, and wait for the unknown to be encountered to truly identify it and understand it, as opposed to living in fear of what you are simply imagining at this point.

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