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The True Hidden Structure of World Power

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posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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I have worked with 'the working class' all my life, and until I started reading ATS.com, I did not know just how dumb I was, now I know a bit of how the world works, if only half of it is true, there is just no hope for the 'working class' sheeple indeed. I am retired, and still in debt, but with my own particular circumstances, the debt is manageable. Thankfully.
Uprisings, civil wars, riots, will not do any good, the working man will still get the bill at the end of the day, look how the southern states, Germany after WW1, were treated. the working class have one thing to look forward to, the wooden overcoat.




posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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very good thread, its great information like this is getting out. i definitely like what you said about kennedy, keep up the good work



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:30 AM
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Thank you for this thread. A lot of information to take in, even though I was already familiar with most of it.

I have been well aware that I am "not free" for quite a while now, and it has raised a lot of important questions in me. I am curious to find out if there is a way out of this slave-state within the current paradigm of reality as I experience it. It seems that, whatever I assume as truthful, whatever I believe in, act upon, follow, or do, is always, somehow, somewhere "controlled" by X (where X is anything seen or unseen within the hierarchy as described in the first post). According to this hierarchy, it doesn't matter what I do, I am always a puppet. If I choose revolution, the revolution is controlled by X. If I choose peaceful resistance, the resitance is controlled by X. If I choose to play along, the scenario is controlled by X. Heck, even if I choose to stare at the sky all day long, the skies are controlled by X too!!

Is there a way out of here while still alive in this 3D experience? Or do I need to die first (where my death is probably also controlled by X
).



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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Just a quick question:

You say that the British Royal Family and Rome are working hand in hand, but the Royal Familly are not Catholic and my knowledge of history says that since Henry VIII, the Royal Family have been opposed to Rome. Is this just some sort of huge ruse to fool the public?

Also, as far as I know, the Queen of England holds vitually no power in England, never mind throughout the world. She needs a bloody good legal reason to depose the installment of a new Prime Minsister and I'm pretty sure the people could still overrule that decision.

The Queen has a lot of influence, but the only real power she has is on paper in ancient legal documents. She is the figurehead of a dead empire, where there are even talks about whether we even need a royal family. In fact, the only real reason we still have them is because of the income they bring into the country from tourism!

Just because something was once written in legal documents does not mean that it still holds today, otherwise, I would still be able to run my sheep (if I had any) through the high street of my local town. Officially I still have this right. I could also be arrested for eating mince pies on Christmas Day.

I do not doubt that there is a ruling class for this world and that the royal family are part of it, but to claim that Rome has a strong hold in England, where Catholics are probably outnumbered by Muslims is a bit of a stretch.

Also, I'm pretty sure that if England still had any real hold on USA, we would have dragged their arses into WWII much earlier in the game, rather than going through years of assault and hardship.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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You're expecting the US to be invaded within the next 6 years? Based on what? Interesting topic though! But what's the point of invading the US? What would one gain from this?

And "Britain" owns the "US"? Interesting!"

And some guy said the US can't be invaded because of all the gun slinging yanks? Same is being said about Iran, that it's almost impossible to take. Most likely this person would be one of those people to claim the US would overrun Iran.

Cool topic though!



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:53 AM
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OK FINE!!


I'm giving my 2 cents on this deal because i just can't take it any more!

You guys keep going on and on about how the Masons or the Jesuits or the Queen of England is behind the scene doing all this mischievous stuff.

It all boils down to one thing, you are being controlled.....well slap me thrice and had me to my mammy!

No Poop Shurlock.

And then there's the standard "Hey...I'm being controlled....everything I was raised to believe is just a system of control!" Seriously it's like watching a dog realise that it barks.

But the most idiotic, frustrating thing of all is that once you copper-tops realise that you are being controlled you almost automatically toss aside the most important question (that question being WHY and I being controlled?) and focus entirely on the people you are being controlled by.

You research, read up, become informed and obsess on the who, what, when and where of your masters but you never, ever ask yourselves...why?

Masonry is not an organization, it is not a group, it is not a fraternity.

Freemasonry is the holy ground in which different Highlander Immortals (I'm speaking figuratively here now) can meet and mingle with out cutting each others heads off.

That's why Freemasonry pops up every where, because there are several different factions of control and they are constantly at war with each other but they can reach a common ground through Freemasonry. It is also a recruiting filter for the adept.

Now I want you all to ponder why on Earth would you be controlled, how long have you and your descendants been controlled and why exactly is a ball doing in the middle of nowhere and why is it called Earth.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:54 AM
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First of all, Freemasonry is a FRAMEWORK that promotes secrecy. This secrecy is fine as long as it is private as I have read you previous debates.


If freemasonry is so secret, why is there a road sign in my home town to the local masonic lodge?

Why do I know (as a non mason) so much of their inner workings? Why have I attended masonic dinners in masonic lodges? Why do I have friends who are open freemasons who are good, working class people?

Freemasonry is mainly pomp and cricumstance. Lots of rituals and rights of passage (with a hell of a lot of lines to remember), doing lots of work for the community.

try saying freemasonry is secret in Scotland and you'll be laughed out of the country!



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:02 AM
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There is a language we all know not we speak.

This language has a voice and it is with out sound.

This is the language of Freemasonry.


Some total Noobs, Froobingly call this language secrecy.

I am not A Mason, this is just my ignorant opinion.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:05 AM
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p.s. What's up with Denver???



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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so how does all this tie into whats going on in the world? with the world economy with UFO's (whatever they are) antediluvian history? how do all these things match up and gel? what the point of it all?? just control? seems kind of pointless when the people with power die just as easy as the people without.

You would think a person who has tasted the ultimate nectar of power and manipulation would see the pointlessness of trying to manipulate such a fleeting existence. Why would they bother with all the plots to control what cant be controlled. Sure they might hold sway over the mindless buffoons for a thousand years or 2 but eventually they will mess up and the cycle will start all over again. I would think the smart man would want to break out of the cycle instead of propagating it. AND if they truly are illuminated you would think they would have already come to this conclusion.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:12 AM
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You talk the talk My Friend.

The secret language.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:18 AM
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Nice thread, thank you.
but...
What if these people in power..who can plan things decades in advance, actually do have humanities best interests at heart?
Earth is overpopulated and rebelling, these people know this and have known it was coming for a long time.
These people also have access to information that we don't and may be keeping it from us for our own good.
For the good of our planet and the continued existence of Humans they just might be on the right track..

of course i don't really believe this, but it is very possible.
Peace



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:27 AM
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But when it comes to the Freemasons serving in government, then they must remove themselves from the craft.


Why? .. For what purpose? It's against Masonic Code to speak of politics at Masonic meetings.. I can assure you, the political destiny of America is not discussed amongst Masons plotting anything.. for one thing, the majority of Masons I have personally spoke politics with (outside the lodge of course) are very, very Libertarian leaning.. all but one of my close friends wrote in Ron Paul last election (I did not, I voted Constitutionalists). Personally, I would prefer Masonry dominated the world.. imo, it would be a much better place.


PS. Some Government DO mandate that when they take public offices, they must reveal whether they are Masons or not, such as Britain.

In America we take an Oath at becoming a Mason to never protect a Mason for Murder or Treason .. also to uphold the laws of the Land (constitution) .. the State I was Raised in actually went a step further and declared allegiance to the Constitution, and made it a Masonic offense to converse with "Subversive groups" that plot against the Government. Something I personally don't agree with.. but meh..

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of what an "Oath" is.. or perhaps what loyalty means in general..



And you continue with the logical fallacies with this veiled ad hominem


Nothing in the OP is original.. it's a mix of various conspiracies a quick google search would show, and blames innocent people from various unrelated orders of working against an illogical goal..



I want to think that most of you guys are good folk, but your behavior says oh, oh, oh so much different.


I am deeply sorry I come off so negative to you.. perhaps if someone could show me 100% undeniable evidence that Freemasonry is in fact involved with the likes of Opus Dei, the Roman Catholic Church, and every other boogy man .. then I will renounce my ways.




posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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Here's the problem with conspiracy theorist (and it pains me to say it .. because I am one my self.. in fact I joined Freemasonry believing they somehow had a hand in everything..)

You state something that you (believe) in .. you then look down on anyone else who doesn't see it your way .. but when it comes to certain things there are Facts, and there is Fiction. If something is proven beyond a doubt wrong.. you would think to cast it aside and not bring it up? For instance..



Barack Obama is a 32nd degree prince hall freemason.


Wrong: Obama has never given any indication that he's a Mason, nor has any Masonic Lodge taken credit for his Raising. We can go as far back as to Washington and say precisely what lodge, what day, even what hour sometimes he was Raised.. we will know the year, month and day he reached all three Degrees. No evidence appears for Obama, nor has he ever inclined such.

Where is your evidence?




1st FDR. Created the Social Security Act, which is a slippery slide to socialism. This act alone make everyone that is a a citizen of the corporation U$A to employees of the same country.

First.. see this: October 11, 1911, Holland Lodge No. 8, New York City.

This is the date and location Brother Franklin D Roosevelt was initiated into the Craft. How is it I can know this, but not when Obama was?


FDR's policies are his own .. I fail to see anything Masonic about them. You may not agree with them, I certainly don't I think he was a terrible President and an opportunist.. but that's all opinion isn't it?

Socialism isn't evil either.. while I my self am not a socialist by anymeans, those who claim it's evil are ignorant to an extreme.



Harry Truman, a 33rd degree Freemason, created the NSA, the CiA, and dropped not one, but 2 atomic bombs on innocents.


NSA, CIA.. so what? If we didn't have the NSA or the CIA we would be the only major power in the World without an intelligence agency.
As far as nuking goes, more people died in the carpet bombing of Berlin than died in the atomic attacks. In fact, more people died from carpet bombing prior to the nukes going off than actually died in the attacks. The only difference was the later generation mutation and deformities. And uh.. we were at war?



George HW Bush was a member of the skull and bones


This is fact. However, Skull and Bones, who may or may not have stolen some ideas from Freemasonry, are not in fact Freemasons. Never have, nor never will be associated with us. And they are far more prestigious.. most of Bush's personal staff were ex Bonesmen.

Skull and Bones.. a proper Conspiracy Theory.. ruined by the likes of you of course.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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my corporate signature is worth a few million dollars. so i could write a check for the 178,000. dollars i owe in national tax debt on the security of my signature, and be exonerated of any further taxation (if what you're saying is accurate).



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:52 AM
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Hey RockPuck,

Yeah the Us Masonic constitutions are no joke. I actually despise the California Constitution. 12 moth residency? WTF does that have to do with Becoming a Mason?

I was Blackcubbed over that stupid rule.


And taking an oath to turn in a Fellow Mason for Murder or treason is just gay in my opinion. You guys are supposed to be thick as thieves but they force you to take a snitch oath.

Honestly you guys need to so mot it be that part of the constitution in the trash.


But what ever.


[edit on 9-4-2010 by Izarith]



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:57 AM
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my corporate signature is worth a few million dollars.


UNDO! My new best friend.. you wouldn't happen to be able to spot me like $178,000 to cover my grievances with the State?


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Yeah the Us Masonic constitutions are no joke. I actually despite the California Constitution. 12 moth residency? WTF does that have to do with Becoming a Mason?


That is weird. But so is California...... Each state is different, so if you ever move try again, or go back after 12 months and do it again if your still interested in ruling the World.



And taking an oath to turn in a Fellow Mason for Murder or treason is just gay in my opinion. You guys are supposed to be thick as thieves but they force you to take a snitch oath.


I agree. And Masonry takes to big of a stand in defending the country.. considering several of our greatest founding fathers were rebels against the Crown .... filthy hypocrites.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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and the moral of the story is: don't make oaths.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:01 AM
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UNDO! My new best friend.. you wouldn't happen to be able to spot me like $178,000 to cover my grievances with the State?


whatever for? YOUR corporate signature is worth a few million dollars as well. hey if it wasn't, how could they file a life insurance policy on your corporate assests?
corporate you, is worth some serious mullah! so just work out the legalese, send the IRS a check for the 178, 000 dollars, affixed with a legal statement that in signing and cashing it, they exonerate you the individual, of the 178,000 dollar life debt of you the corporation. rob da peter to pay da paul.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:18 AM
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Meh...

I'm to much of an operative Masonry buff to try again. Just does not feel genuine after getting the only Black Cube seen in over 30 years lol.

Plus I can't stand, the fact that you can't talk about Masonry with Masons. You have no idea how many tours of the lodge I got after every time I started talking about operative Masonry. I just can't talk so much about the Chargers like the other guys, honestly the teem sucks.


But any hoo, I guess I'll find some other use for all these suits I bought.


I think I'll make Charlie Chaplin movies with them.


You Masons are really cool guys tho, Weirdos for sure but super cool guys.


You guys will always be that really great girl it just never work out with.



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