Corporations (are they government?)

As some of you guys know I am a pretty middle of the aisle guy. I have been thinking about this post for quite some time and it is extremely hard for me to word so please take that into consideration before bashing, I will be happy to clarify anything if there is a misunderstanding.

My wife works for a corporation and that is why this post is being made. She constantly has a hard time with it as all of the stupidity brought to her by management. I get so angry and realize that the similarity's between corporations and government are staggering. I am not a fan of government especially on a big scale. I have indeed noticed that the only thing about a corporation that is different from a government is the board of trustees do the electing instead of the majority (which may be the case in government as well). With my recent fallout with the right in this country (aka The Scotus ruling on Corporations as People) I think it is appropriate for me to bring to the table my ideas for corporations. It is a small list but you should enjoy it.

1. Corporations should be abolished.

Ok that was smaller than intended but here me out. We already have a federal government that controls every aspect of our lives. I have been under the belief for some time that these corporations have been getting by on antitrust laws because the feds want them to. If you pay close attention to whats going on in the U.S. you can see plain as day the "little businesses" getting chunked to the sidelines and defeated. When the bailouts happened I honestly couldn't believe what I had witnessed. While piles and piles of banks went under the big ones were allowed to come out unscathed. You also see wal-mart moving in to towns and killing every single mom and pop store out there. How do they do this? The same way government does it. They undercut the competition by so much that you have to be insane to shop somewhere else. Wal Mart is the greatest example of this intentional allowing of monopolies by the federal government. It sells everything under the sun and at lower prices than even any other corporations. In fact you can bring in another corporations ad and get the items for the same price to save you a trip. It either has to end or wal-mart will own the entire U.S. economy aside from fast food, but with a merger with a place like McDonalds, well you know.

The reason I think this is intentional is the way the U.S. government has been for awhile now. They seem to be pushing for socialism more and more everyday and with these corporations it just makes it easier for them to take over when they want to. This is not bashing Obama he is just the latest socialist in a long line IMO. I know these ideas aren't going to be popular with many on here. I know it sounds anti free market of me but honestly we haven't had a free market in around a century and it ain't returning. But anyone who is angered by this post I would like to ask you, are corporations government? They have all the tools including as I see, the federal government backing them. We all know the smaller governments while not completely without flaw tend to have much less corruption than there "bigger brother". Think for a minute before you respond to this post. Small businesses are just like local government. The same goes for big businesses, they are just like the federal government. Is it really OK to keep living the illusion of a free market system when we now have two federal governments? The truth is I don't like the federal government coming into my state and taking over (which incidentally they have been doing for awhile), so I find it would be hypocritical to want a big business to come in and take over (same note as last). Thanks for taking the time to read down this far, I know that the GWOT critted you but wasn't that worth it?

reply to post by ventian
Read my location.

Who the sam hell do you think owns and beds Washington DC?

Money talks and when a corporation is allowed to "pay/bribe" a Congressman, Senator, "running for President", Supreme Court Judge - where do you think that person's loyalities will lie?

With the $

Why are all of our "laws" in favor of our large corporations at the expense of the common man?

Read David Sirota's "Hostile Takeover".

The enemy is not "over there" they are right here under our noses.

Wake the frak up people.

If enough of us pions woke up and kicked the big corporate lobbyists out of our politician's beds, maybe just maybe we could reverse this brown stuff we're wallowing in.

By and for the people, is a joke - hasn't been by and for the people for a long time.

Why did we bail out AIG when AIG executives have a resort costing billions of dollars?

AIG Resort / and that's just what we know about. Your money, my money paid for this frap and did you or I get a time share, a weekend at any of these resorts we paid for?

No, the big *hit executives did though.

Who are the companies that are profitting from the war in Iraq ? (Google/research that one)

What do companies pay in taxes vs the common working person?

Why are American Companies being allowed to take their American company's "operations" overseas and use cheap labor causing millions upon millions of Americans to be jobless or "under paid".

Why are banks allowed to loan at 5-7 X's the cost of a house. A house that will cost 75,000-100,000 to build - the bank will (after 30 years) charge you 500,000 for the loan - making owning a home impossible for most Americans.

Why does a bottle of blood pressure medicine that costs under .30 a pill cost YOU 5.00 a pill?

Why are CEO's allowed to make tens of millions of dollars when the common man has to work two jobs just to afford the necessities?

On and on and on it goes and most people seem to choose to remain asleep or apathetic drinking that corporate kool aid.

Yes I'm mad, because I see our existence could be different if only enough of you out there would wake up.


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1. Corporations should be abolished.

I second that!



BTW, the Amerikan Government is a corporation.

With my recent fallout with the right in this country (aka The Scotus ruling on Corporations as People)

This is nothing new. It started shortly after the Civil War and has been ongoing, little by little, since then.

The government has left me little of my mind as they have it all brainwashed but I still have enough left to stay out of the corporate workplace. I like what little bit I have left and I won't let it go down the drain working for the Corps.

They are now either "too big to fail" or "too big to go after". That should tell you something.

EDIT: Hopefully fixed embed.

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"Manchurian Global - think of it as a god damn extension of geopolitical power"

What is the modern day American political structure designated to do? Nothing but create opportunities for corporations to make money and maintain law and order so as to not interfere with this process.

Have you seen this documentary?

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Corporations should be controlled / regulated BY THE PEOPLE.

I truly believe that the non-sensical corporate culture is identical to the mind control programs perpetuated in governments, on TV, and even in Music. Political correctness, ISO standards, and other mantras are part of the program...and I believe pure evil is behind it. This is very much a connect the dots thing, so if you want references or information, this is a very long discussion which cannot be completely covered here. They do not want individual freewill. THINK ABOUT IT...that's what we got from somebody...

You see one universal theme completely emerging lately by the "dark force" if you will: LOVE. It's starting to emerge in movies (ala Adventureland to name one) and in music (Ziggy Marley's Love is My Religion). Bastards finally got Ziggy. They are using love to supplant religion as an idea. This flows people towards the New Age Philosophy, the Oprah Church, and others. Of course, the source of the Mantra is Luciferian Occultism...Lucis Trust. Heed these warnings. When someone speaks of love, question their intentions...for the Janus faced ones are using love against our souls right now.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Democratic control of the means of the production.

Marxism all the way.

If you do the research, it really is the only solution, and prevention from allowing it to happen again should you bring down the corporations in existence now.

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God is love.

Its how you understand and practice love, this is where the problems arise.

Not going any further tonight, catch ye' tomz... S + F, good topic.

" Robots don't say ye' "

paz.

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God is Love AND JUSTICE...if he was only Love, well he wouldn't be.

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Should be but aren't. Used to be they had to get charters to stay in business, every few years - I believe it was twenty, could have been forty, whatever it was it needs to be reinstated, at the very least.

Welcome to the Fascist States of Amerika.

Very happy to see the responses on this thread. I was honestly afraid that people were gonna come in and call me an anti capitalist or something. I guess that I am not alone then. Thanks guys and keep the replies coming.

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Great Video...Thank you...excuse me, I must attend to my meddling. I guess I need to get some piston rods.

Impose tariffs on imports, enforce anti-trust laws, campaign finance reform.

That's how you take away the power of the corporations...we don't have to resort to marxism or anything else. We do what used to work in the past.

Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushes signed off laws that have left our economy in the peril it is today. Reagan initially started the insane power of corporations....Clinton let them go international...hence why our jobs are gone...since he signed us up to the WTO and NAFTA.

As I have stated before , the people need to take back control of their own states first. Thats where it all starts. Just take an active roll .
Get to really know who your voting in, and what they believe (not say) on issues . Who they worked for in the past, where they get their funding, what causes have they supported in the past.
Until the people take who they vote into office seriously they won't take the peoples concerns seriously.

Originally posted by Scopeless

Ofcourse!!

But the question is, does the means justify the end.

Or could the same end be reached through a different means, a more nurturing, enlightening, grassroots process. A less wasteful, dehumanizing, under-educating one.

I think nationalism is stupid, but is breaking a countries spirit and foundation the way to remove such a cancer, or is open dialogue and education the way to enlighten people.

I think competition is stupid, but is squashing all differing viewpoints and organisations the way to remove such a cancer, or is recognising a common goal and cooperation the way move forward.

I think fossil fuels are stupid, but does depleting all of them before you move on to the next generation of power-generation make the most sense, or does making renewable and sustainable energy and products the top priority world wide make the most sense.


The problem is the lack of education and the free market system.

Why should we have to choose between 40 different breakfast cereals when the 3 most nutritious would suffice.

Originally posted by David9176
Impose tariffs on imports, enforce anti-trust laws, campaign finance reform.

That's how you take away the power of the corporations...we don't have to resort to marxism or anything else. We do what used to work in the past.

Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushes signed off laws that have left our economy in the peril it is today. Reagan initially started the insane power of corporations....Clinton let them go international...hence why our jobs are gone...since he signed us up to the WTO and NAFTA.

And Eisenhower was talking about the Military Industrial Complex in 1961.

The solution you provided to corporation power would just destroy your country more so. America has almost no manufacturing infrastructure left, and relies on foreign imports. Anti-Competitive behavior enforcement on Corporations would lead to more waste. Campaign finance reform would be good, but wouldn't achieve all that much.

The things that there should be strict laws for corporations are things like quality (longevity), environmental soundness, fair-trade prices, unionised workers, nutritional content (in the case of foods), educational content (in the case of media and entertainment, transparency, etc etc.

I really wish the world was just one corporation that ran the whole world.

I would call it the Cooporation of Earthlings, our currency would be love. Our business practice would be intelligent distribution and use of natures given resources, and our goals would be to create a perfect world before we go looking for new ones.

Who wants to work for us?

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And Eisenhower was talking about the Military Industrial Complex in 1961.

I was refering to FDR !

16.The Business Plot:In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934.

Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. In 1934, the Business Plot was publicly revealed by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testifying to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee. In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot, but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.

On July 17, 1932, thousands of World War I veterans converged on Washington, D.C., set up tent camps, and demanded immediate payment of bonuses due them according to the Adjusted Service Certificate Law of 1924. This "Bonus Army" was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant. The Army was encouraged by an appearance from retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, who had considerable influence over the veterans, being one of the most popular military figures of the time. A few days after Butler's arrival, President Herbert Hoover ordered the marchers removed, and their camps were destroyed by US Army cavalry troops under the command of General Douglas MacArthur.

Butler, although a self-described Republican, responded by supporting Roosevelt in that year's election. In a 1995 History Today article Clayton Cramer argued that the devastation of the Great Depression had caused many Americans to question the foundations of liberal democracy. "Many traditionalists, here and in Europe, toyed with the ideas of Fascism and National Socialism; many liberals dallied with Socialism and Communism." Cramer argues that this explains why some American business leaders viewed fascism as a viable system to both preserve their interests and end the economic woes of the Depression.

www.newworldorderreport.com...


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