what made building 7 collapse?

Originally posted by gavron
Maybe in your fantasy world, but in THIS reality they were being evacuated during the call,

Where does it say in Chief Nigro's statment that they were being evacuated during the call?

reply to post by REMISNE


You linked it, so you have that information, Roger.

No need to be childish and pretend you don't have that information now.

Originally posted by gavron
You linked it, so you have that information, Roger. [/qutoe]

Yes i do and it does not state that the firemen were being evacuated during the call.

Chief Nigro clearly stastes that the evacuation was before talking to Silverstein.

Originally posted by REMISNE


Yes i do and it does not state that the firemen were being evacuated during the call.

Chief Nigro clearly stastes that the evacuation was before talking to Silverstein.

Not according to REMISNE on the ATS forums:

2. Chief hayden was still getting his men out of the safety zone area and trying to keep water going to the engines when the call was made, so he probably did not know what the fire commander decided to do.

Still getting his men out of the safety zone area when the call was made.

Originally posted by REMISNE

Only after the buidling was evacuated and Chief Nigro became the fire commander did he then talk to Silverstein on the phone about not being able to save the building. But again that was after the firemen were evacuated from the building.

I am asking you WHERE does it say Nigro talked to Silverstein and at what time? If you don't know, just say so or please answer the question directly and provide the source(s).

Thanks.

Originally posted by gavron
Not according to REMISNE on the ATS forums:

Again talking about Chief Nigro NOT Chief Hayden.

Also talking about the BUILDING not the AREA.




[edit on 14-4-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by jthomas
I am asking you WHERE does it say Nigro talked to Silverstein and at what time?

Well if you read that source it was not to talking about Nigro talking to Silverstein. It was talking about Nigro evacuating the firemen BEFORE he talked to Silverstein.

If you want to know the time Nigro talked to Sivlerstein that is i different source, hold on and i will see if i cna get it for you.

Originally posted by REMISNE
Again talking about Chief Nigro NOT Chief Hayden.

Also talking about the BUILDING not the AREA.

...again, talking about what was happening during the call, which was apparently evacuating the personnel from the area.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
...again, talking about what was happening during the call, which was apparently evacuating the personnel from the area.

Well yes from the area, the building was already evacuated before the call.

Originally posted by REMISNE
Well yes from the area, the building was already evacuated before the call.

You have no proof of that whatsoever. None.

However, there is proof that the area was being evacuated during the call.

Originally posted by gavron
You have no proof of that whatsoever. None.

Please read Chief Nigro's statement. It clearly states he evacuated the building without talking to the owner Silverstein.

However, there is proof that the area was being evacuated during the call.

Can everyone else see and know the difference between the building and the area?





[edit on 14-4-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by REMISNE

Please read Chief Nigro's statement. It clearly states he evacuated the building without talking to the owner Silverstein.

Better read this link:

www.jod911.com...

Your source....that you provided.

Assertion 7.

Originally posted by gavron
Better read this link:

Yes, i have read the link and it has nothing to do with what Chief Nigro did.

Chief Nigros statement still stands as proof the firemen were not in the building when the call to Silverstein was made.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by REMISNE

Yes, i have read the link and it has nothing to do with what Chief Nigro did.

It does show on assertion 7 that they in no means meant "pull it" to refer to the building.

Thanks again for providing that valuable link.

Originally posted by gavron
It does show on assertion 7 that they in no means meant "pull it" to refer to the building.

Thanks again for providing that valuable link.

Where does it show anything about the firemen in the building during the call.

Your very welcome, now you just have to answer my questions.

Originally posted by REMISNE
Where does it show anything about the firemen in the building during the call.

Please refer to this link for your answer:

www.jod911.com...

Your source....that you provided.

Assertion 7.

Originally posted by gavron
Please refer to this link for your answer:

Yet agian you show you cannot post what is asked for.

Originally posted by REMISNE
... post what is asked for.

Yes, I posted the link that has your answers:

www.jod911.com...

Your source....that you provided.

Assertion 7.

Originally posted by gavron
Yes, I posted the link that has your answers:

Yet agian you show you cannot post what is asked for.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by GenRadek
And why is it that most of the firefigters mention getting pulled out by about that same time? You know, around 3-3:30PM as stated by numerous firefighters?

From inside WTC7? Yes, I'd be interested to see those quotes.

I thought you guys were always arguing WTC7's fires were particularly bad because no one tried to fight them? Now you can't make up your mind?

And according to you WTC7 didn't fall down to its own footprint, either, right? It all tilted over into adjacent streets?

Sounds like you have all your facts straight about this one don't you?

[edit on 14-4-2010 by bsbray11]

Instead of acting incredulus, ask the fire dept what does, "firefighting operations" exactly mean? Hmm it could mean pouring water. (There was not enough water to fight with) How about Search and Rescue? That sounds like a firefighting op to me. How about checking structural integrity of a building? Could that be a firefighting op as well? What about seeing what can be done to save a building, (until the call came in to abandon 7 and let it burn out)? You really should start to think a little more outside the limited TM box and use some critical thinking as to what else can fall under the term "firefighting operation". I'm pretty sure there are plenty of fire fighters that would be more than willing to help you understand it.

Also I was not aware that a building falling into its footprint would also destroy a building behind it, damage two buildings next to it, and spill its debris across a four lane street is still considered "in its footprint". Kinda like saying WTC1,2 both fell into their footprints, and at the same time scattered beams and debris all over the place outside their footprints. It cant be both.