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Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax! Crazy!!

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posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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$@#$#@

I am confused now

People

are Mad

because

money is not being taxed and being directly injected into the economy instead of going to the fed


Did some of you hit your heads?

I thought (some of you who are PO'ed) income tax is bad, in fact taxes are bad in general


... Very confused

Do you want higher taxes?

or what?




posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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Gee and I wonder what all these POOR folks are gonna do with those EIC?

Any scholars want to take a guess?

Stimulate the economy with the cash infusion.

Dont get so worked up about this.

All of that money get pumped back into the economy, because, poor people consume. I dont know if there are statistics on what people save out of the EIC but if you know anything about the genral habits of poor people, you can safely assume most of those EIC will hit the economy and taxes will be taken out them, so there ya go.

I would hope if anyone has a problem with EIC they are also advocating not having a senate and house, they are all welfare mooches. How can you justify crucifying poor people for taking an EIC when our elected welfare kings and queens suck the public tit dry in congress? They suck more than poor people, and deserve more outrage than poor people.

Yall HAVE fired off emails to your congressman demanding your portion of their paycheck back, because you do not support welfare?

Any way you slice it, taxes are a scam, and we are all pawns in the game, each of us having our role to play to keep the fat cats wealthy.

If we were not so horrendously taxed in the first place would we need EICs?

Would we have poor folks without taxes?

Taxes are evil, and more corporations find ways to cheat the tax man. I am sure corporate tax fraud is much worse than poor people getting EIC to feed their family.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Gee and I wonder what all these POOR folks are gonna do with those EIC?

Any scholars want to take a guess?

Stimulate the economy with the cash infusion.

Dont get so worked up about this.

All of that money get pumped back into the economy, because, poor people consume. I dont know if there are statistics on what people save out of the EIC but if you know anything about the genral habits of poor people, you can safely assume most of those EIC will hit the economy and taxes will be taken out them, so there ya go.

I would hope if anyone has a problem with EIC they are also advocating not having a senate and house, they are all welfare mooches. How can you justify crucifying poor people for taking an EIC when our elected welfare kings and queens suck the public tit dry in congress? They suck more than poor people, and deserve more outrage than poor people.

Yall HAVE fired off emails to your congressman demanding your portion of their paycheck back, because you do not support welfare?

Any way you slice it, taxes are a scam, and we are all pawns in the game, each of us having our role to play to keep the fat cats wealthy.

If we were not so horrendously taxed in the first place would we need EICs?

Would we have poor folks without taxes?

Taxes are evil, and more corporations find ways to cheat the tax man. I am sure corporate tax fraud is much worse than poor people getting EIC to feed their family.




Yeah and with out all these damn taxes I could be retired. I could have my house paid off. Basically I could take a break and enjoy life but oh no We can't have that. That evil man makes more than Me so We must grind Him in to the ground until We hear His death curdle...


I can't wait till the system colapses and every person likes You are hit in the face with reality. Mother nature is a bitch and You people will soon realize that when government finances collapse..

The most disturbing thing about You people is You have no problems with slavery just as long as You are on the winning end of it...

I see no difference between You people and the crooks causing wars to make money in defense contracts. I see no difference between You and the filthy bankers whom stomp on the families whom loose their homes...

Basically You people want everything at other peoples expense just like crooks but at least crooks have the courage to rob us in person.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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Yeah those liberal elites! I mean corporate welfare scum!

www.markzepezauer.com...



Wealthfare–the money government gives away to corporations and wealthy individuals–costs us more than $817 billion a year. That’s • 47% of what it costs to run the government (which is about $1.73 trillion a year, not counting entitlement trust funds like Social Security and Medicare)


Just consider the Savings and Loan scandal -- $32 billion bailout every year for 30 years!

www.thirdworldtraveler.com...&L_Bailout.html

Oops that was CIA Mafia orchestrated -- but then CIA was started by Wall Street lawyers....

Military waste and fraud: $172 billion a year!!

www.thirdworldtraveler.com...



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Whoa hold yer horses there cowboy.

The ASSumptions seem to be flying hot and heavy from YOUR side.

If directed at me, I can assure I choose my lifestyle, and I LOVE it. I dont care about money, and find pleasure in things that are free. Everything I own can fit into one room.

And I am happy.

What makes my post liberal?

Thanks for shring your thoughts with the class.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by jkm1864

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Gee and I wonder what all these POOR folks are gonna do with those EIC?

Any scholars want to take a guess?

Stimulate the economy with the cash infusion.

Dont get so worked up about this.

All of that money get pumped back into the economy, because, poor people consume. I dont know if there are statistics on what people save out of the EIC but if you know anything about the genral habits of poor people, you can safely assume most of those EIC will hit the economy and taxes will be taken out them, so there ya go.

I would hope if anyone has a problem with EIC they are also advocating not having a senate and house, they are all welfare mooches. How can you justify crucifying poor people for taking an EIC when our elected welfare kings and queens suck the public tit dry in congress? They suck more than poor people, and deserve more outrage than poor people.

Yall HAVE fired off emails to your congressman demanding your portion of their paycheck back, because you do not support welfare?

Any way you slice it, taxes are a scam, and we are all pawns in the game, each of us having our role to play to keep the fat cats wealthy.

If we were not so horrendously taxed in the first place would we need EICs?

Would we have poor folks without taxes?

Taxes are evil, and more corporations find ways to cheat the tax man. I am sure corporate tax fraud is much worse than poor people getting EIC to feed their family.




Yeah and with out all these damn taxes I could be retired. I could have my house paid off. Basically I could take a break and enjoy life but oh no We can't have that. That evil man makes more than Me so We must grind Him in to the ground until We hear His death curdle...


I can't wait till the system colapses and every person likes You are hit in the face with reality. Mother nature is a bitch and You people will soon realize that when government finances collapse..

The most disturbing thing about You people is You have no problems with slavery just as long as You are on the winning end of it...

I see no difference between You people and the crooks causing wars to make money in defense contracts. I see no difference between You and the filthy bankers whom stomp on the families whom loose their homes...

Basically You people want everything at other peoples expense just like crooks but at least crooks have the courage to rob us in person.


What does your rant have to do with my post?

Would you mind reading and responding to my points instead of using me as a jumpoff for incomprehensible ravings?

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with me, and it is poor form to debate me personally, you might want to broaden your rant.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Thanks for ignoring all of my valid points, btw, on how those who get REFUNDS are CONTRIBUTING to the SYSTEM and no matter how many times you say it tax refunds are not welfare.



Those who receive more than was withheld is in fact income redistribution, aka welfare.

Try doing some research on the EITC, you will see it is a form of welfare. It subsidizes low income earners using federal funds, the same as welfare does.

Here is a pretty informative article on it since you dont seem to be very knowledgeable on the EITC being a form of welfare.

Click here



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by brainwrek

Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Thanks for ignoring all of my valid points, btw, on how those who get REFUNDS are CONTRIBUTING to the SYSTEM and no matter how many times you say it tax refunds are not welfare.



Those who receive more than was withheld is in fact income redistribution, aka welfare.

Try doing some research on the EITC, you will see it is a form of welfare. It subsidizes low income earners using federal funds, the same as welfare does.

Here is a pretty informative article on it since you dont seem to be very knowledgeable on the EITC being a form of welfare.

Click here
Thanks for the BLOG link, but I didnt ask for nor do I need education on the EIC.

Federal funds subsidize war, I would rather my taxes subsidize poor families, than war but oh well, I dont really have a choice where my taxes go. Not a thing I can do about it either, so I guess I dont get my panties in a bunch over this topic.

And I certainly will not see the eic as welfare because it is not. it is a tax credit.

If you own a home or are married you get tax credits. Bunch of welfare mooches in this country.

Students get credits, and if you pop out kids, TAX Creds!

Nation of welfare mooches, I suppose.

Or only the poor folk getting the eic?



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Anyone who gets back more than they paid is getting a form of welfare, whether you like it or not. It is nothing more than income redistribution (taking from one to subsidize another).

Why should someone who lives off of others be allowed to vote for candidates for promise them more of other peoples money?



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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In contrast to prices set by corporations. Price fixing is RIFE -- and corporations are inherently fascist -- there's no bill of rights for people on corporate property.

And the quickest way to increase the wealth for shareholders paying low capital gains tax? Fire workers or decrease their wages. Best deal is to use prison labor or slavery.

The corporate-state is the real socialist system -- the public pays the price.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater

Originally posted by brainwrek

Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Thanks for ignoring all of my valid points, btw, on how those who get REFUNDS are CONTRIBUTING to the SYSTEM and no matter how many times you say it tax refunds are not welfare.



Those who receive more than was withheld is in fact income redistribution, aka welfare.

Try doing some research on the EITC, you will see it is a form of welfare. It subsidizes low income earners using federal funds, the same as welfare does.

Here is a pretty informative article on it since you dont seem to be very knowledgeable on the EITC being a form of welfare.

Click here
Thanks for the BLOG link, but I didnt ask for nor do I need education on the EIC.

Federal funds subsidize war, I would rather my taxes subsidize poor families, than war but oh well, I dont really have a choice where my taxes go. Not a thing I can do about it either, so I guess I dont get my panties in a bunch over this topic.

And I certainly will not see the eic as welfare because it is not. it is a tax credit.

If you own a home or are married you get tax credits. Bunch of welfare mooches in this country.

Students get credits, and if you pop out kids, TAX Creds!

Nation of welfare mooches, I suppose.

Or only the poor folk getting the eic?




First off when You get married You don't get any tax breaks and if anything its a penalty...

For owning a home are You serious? I pay 8K a year in interest and I get back what 2K of MY MONEY that I earned from my sacrifice...

The last time I checked I was the one going to # holes like africa and the middle east to support my family not the stinking government...

And You Liberals want to blame Me for the wars? I think You need to look at yourself really close in the mirror to find out whom should be blamed for the wars..

The wars are only created for one reason and one reason only and that is for the politically connected to extract money from the tax payers. Poor people never start wars its always the rich people. The rich couldn't extract money from the middle class if there wasn't a middle class tax that was being voted for every election by the envy filled welfare voters...

If We didn't have war, taxes, deficits trade & government the poor wouldn't get poorer because the dollar wouldn't loose strength every year...

You libs really need to do some research because its pretty sad because You are Your own worst enemy and for every social program that You beg for it causes bigger deficits which in turn make You poorer...

The difference between Me and You is I believe everyone should be given the same opportunities to succeed in life. You on the other hand don't believe in that You want the people whom do succeed to be punished for working harder than his peers.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by jkm1864
So please answer these questions!


I spend 9 months a year on the ocean away from my family and friends to make a measly 110k a year. I sacrifice EVERYTHING to make that income but yet pukes like You assume I should pay more because my life is so much better off...

What do You sacrifice for Your income? What a measly 40 hours a week and You assume that I should be taxed more? Well let me tell You until You can sleep and live in a gas station bathroom for 9 months a year with nothing to do then it will be fair to tax me more than You. We know You can't do that so go push mud as the sailors say and get a life or maybe get a clue...


You don't know what sacrifice is. Try going to sea on a submarine. Merchant marine ? Oh what a rough life.


There is nothing unconstitutional about a progressive income tax. A multimillionaire should not have the same income tax rate as a middle class family. The highest bracket was over 90% under the Eisenhower Adminstration. Pay your taxes and quit whining.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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Look about this paying taxes thing...

Now how do I put this politely...




posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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You could argue all day about who needs to pay more but consider the reality of the situation. $220 billion deficit in Feburary alone. The government needs to cut spending, raise taxes of those already paying or get those who aren't paying to pay. It would be political suicide to tax the 48% aren't currently paying and ecomonic suicide to make the people who are already paying pay more. So cutting government spending would probably be the best option.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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If you've never recieved an income tax refund then you're the one not paying taxes.

There is this stigma about our culture to praise the wealthy simply because they're wealthy, that's right, praise your feudal lords. You all cry about freedom and oppression but so long as it's not the government oppressing you, it's just fine?

Do any of you really believe the richest people in this country are rich simply because they're better or smarter than you? Oh no, it couldn't possibly be that they completely skip out on their taxes...never, in fact, let's cut taxes for them, they're obviously taxed too much already. Oh wait, who said that? Oh...that's right, those 'news' anchors making millions of dollars a year.


Originally posted by jkm1864
I spend 9 months a year on the ocean away from my family and friends to make a measly 110k a year.


In what bizarro world do you live in where $110k US is 'measely'?! Do you realize your salary is higher than Warren Buffett, the second richest man in the world? That's because he skips out on income tax and sets his own salary, but he was smart enough to think of it so we'll let him get away with it.

At what point do you look at your life and think, "I'm on the verge of poverty!" God forbid you're me and make HALF that with a family! How do I survive?! I must get lots of tax credits...oh wait, I STILL pay 20% of my paycheck in taxes.

I get it though, you make 110k on the ocean, since you're outside the boundaries of the country you don't get taxed until you file and the 'big, bad' government says, "Son, you realize you paid $0 in income tax this year? You owe us 23% of that 110k you made." Uh oh....YOU'RE one of those moochers! Not paying taxes! Don't tell your conservative buddies on ATS, they'll think you're a welfare parent and not deserving of the air they breathe!



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Very intersteting replys. Thank you.

After all the reading I still have to say this is just wrong-in the sense that this 47% not paying taxes is another sign that we (the US) is heading in the wrong direction.

The more people who pay in eases the burden-why don't the Dems see that? Can't help but feel this mess was continued getting bad due to Obama and I don't see him doing anything productive to clean the mess up.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:07 AM
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You know what is causing this. People are reproducing when they have not enough resources to support their family. They have kids, they need a house, their jobs don't pay enough, so they get government kickbacks in the form of tax exemptions in order to keep their heads just barely above water. People probably should take a break on reproducing, but they just can't. The government ultimately says hey we'll take from the rich and give to the poor so at least we can have an army of poor kids to field against the other countries.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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People are the greatest resource to the corporate government. Without people raw materials can not be mined and extracted, products can not be manufactured, produced and shipped, and services can not be rendered.

The people represent the ‘perceived’ value of the future of the nation.

The International Banking Cartel extends the government credit based on a flat formula for future productivity based solely on an average dollar amount that they place on all people.

Clearly the government is willing to subsidize people who will have children, and the reason they are willing to subsidize people who have children is because it is those children, and the number of those children that will determine our credit rating, with the International Banking Cartel.

As long as the people are willing to be serialized property of the corporate government in exchange for subsidies and social assistances of any kind, the government will use them as collateral on money borrowed.

How they get people to agree to being serialized is through those few carrots of social assistance provided to them.

This is not the taxation system our forefathers envisioned it is a system of intrusive bureaucracy, freedom and thought robbing social management, where people are reduced to chattel, as part of a system of debits and credits that pay for those perversions.

Of course as long as people are focused on petty jealousies of who is paying their fare share into the system and who aren’t they will miss what lays at the foundation of the very system? That is the serialization and collateralization of human beings to secure international based funding for the corporate government and its empirical expansions and predatory business practices.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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Simply WOW. Blowing my mind-the response-especially yours.

I have to say that when I OP'ed the story-my mind was 100% set in one way. Now-not so much so. I got some thinking to do about this topic.

Thank you-for making me think.

Another great day at ATS.



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