Meet the new boss, same as the old boss - the Illusion of Choice, page 1

We Wont Get Fooled Again…
…or will we?

I want to preempt this by stating that I know NEXT TO NOTHING about the intricate workings of politics. I am writing this as someone who merely watches the circus from a far and enjoys the ridiculousness that comes with it.

Having said that…

In politics it seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am twenty-one years old and I have never voted. Partly because I have never really been encouraged to vote and because I have little interest/ knowledge of politics, but mainly because I don’t see the point.

I don’t see the point because I know that whoever gets elected will be the wrong choice, whether I voted for him or not. And I use the word ‘choice’ very loosely. How much choice is there in modern politics? I can ‘choose’ between Labour or Conservative, Left or Right, Red or Blue.



I don’t like Alex Jones but I think that video highlights this illusion of choice that we seem content with.

Just one look at the latest UK election party slogans gives an insight into how clueless and uninventive these people are:

Labour - ‘A future fair for all’

Conservatives – ‘Change You Can Trust’

And what do the Liberal Democrats do to stand out?

Lib Dems – ‘Change that works for you, building a fairer Britain’

Pathetic.
Like I have alluded to already, same sh*t, different party.

It has always seemed to me to be a case of ‘out with the old, in the with old’. Politicians making ‘passionate’ speeches about the policies they ‘believe in’, when in reality all they actually believe is that they can tell us what we want to hear and get away with it…and they’re right.

The recent MP's expenses scandal here in the UK is a prime example of why generations have and will continue to grow up completely disheartened by politics. It gets worse when you take a brief look at the ‘discussions’ that go on in the Houses of Parliament. Of course nothing is ever discussed, instead it turns into a back and forth verbal jousting match where each speaker tries to make the speaker before him look as bad as possible. I used to do something similar when I was at Primary School.



The idea that anyone can become President or Prime Minister is, I believe, another complete fallacy. Especially when you look at the backgrounds of these individuals who all seem to come from similar wealthy families, go to the same expensive schools/collages/universities and share membership of the same secret societies. What chance does anyone who genuinely wants to make a positive change in the world stand considering all those odds? None would be my answer.

The way I see it is that if politics is the only way we can ever change things, then things will never change. Do you honestly believe that your vote counts? That your vote makes a difference in the long run?

I’d like your feedback because as I stated at the beginning, my knowledge of politics is very limited.

But I do honestly believe that politics has become a conspiracy, a conspiracy fuelled by the illusion of choice, the illusion of free will. And I refuse to vote just because “that's the way things have always been done around here…”

I hate to pimp my own thread but I made one awhile ago along the same lines.
Protesting and the illusion of change.
I would like to add mine to yours because they are kinda similiar in how nothing changes.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Like you I refuse to vote and yes its been the same crap my whole life so why feed the stupidity.
I complain about the people who do vote and keep this crap going.
Star and flag from me.

reply to post by Signals

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I see your point Signals, but I would ask whether it was worth it?


reply to post by rizla

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Thanks for that, I am aware of Anthony Sutton and Hegelian dialectics but I know very little about them. I shall have to dig a bit deeper

I'll have a scour of Youtube too.

reply to post by LiveForever8

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No different here in Australia.

At 2:00pm in the afternoon, there is a thing in our parliment called "question time", where members can ask questions of other members without prior notice, AND IT IS TELEVISED BY THE GOVERNMENT RUN TV STATION.

You talk about a circus.....you have never seen anything so bloody pathatic in your life, and these are the men and women who supposedly "run the joint".

Yep, no real debate, just put as much S**T on the next guy as possible.

Next time we go to the polls, I'm having a serious think about these morons

reply to post by DrumsRfun

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Hey, pimp away I'll have a look at it soon.

This all came about when some geezer tried to lecture me about how important my vote was. I told him I had never voted and had no intention of doing so and he told me I was letting my country down. Cheeky swine!

Anyways, I prescribe to the George Carlin view on voting...

“I don’t vote. Two reasons. First of all it’s meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, ‘If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain’, but where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. "

reply to post by Alaskan Man

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Perhaps the best illustration of the false choice that I have ever seen

I do think there are renegades in each party who would like to make a difference, though I don't know why they just don't run as independents

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