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Kyrgyzstan protesters storm state media offices

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posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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Russia just announced some military moves... Backing up new government or just securing their positions? Rapid forces are on the move:

Russia sends some 150 paratroopers to its airbase in Kyrgyzstan - General Staff




Russia has sent some 150 paratroopers to its Kant airbase in the ex-Soviet Central Asian republic of Kyrgyzstan to ensure the safety of families of Russian military staff, the General Staff chief Nikolay Makarov said.

en.rian.ru...




posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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PUTIN BACKS OPPOSITION!

Yep - Its official, just came out in Finnish media and also I found some news in English that Putin is offering aid and is backing opposition government!

home.kyodo.co.jp...



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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I now understand the purpose for Russian involvement. Kyrgistan is an original member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Quote from wikipedia:

"Grigory Logninov claimed in April 2006 that the SCO has no plans to become a military bloc; nonetheless he argued that the increased threats of "terrorism, extremism and separatism" make necessary a full-scale involvement of armed forces."

Does this mean that the other SCO states will jump in, specifically China?

EDIT: After looking at some basic history, this has happened before in Uzbekistan, in 2005. Uzbeks rallied against American troops at K2 airbase and gave them six months to leave, which they did.

Since Uzbekistan is also a member of the SCO, maybe the Kyrgistan factor is more than just a "surprise" to Putin.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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reply to post by WarloriousCreed
 


I apologize if it sounded like I was implying they were American operators.

I didn't say if they were or were not. What I did say was that some of the modifications appear to be American origin.

Personally I wondered if the operators were Chinese.

By the way, can you tell me where the $100 Eotech sight is at in more specifics, I would love to buy one at that price if they really have one.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by BobAthome
Ok this may get a little heated,, ok so other guys got Lebanon sorry since the last time isreal was told to stop,, its now completely Muslim, ok then Turkey kicks out all the non-muslim generals, ok so thats two, now Karazan says he's swithching sides, thats three countries gone since Isreal was told too stop,, hello who is winning this war? meanwhile were in Afg for what?? drugs ya ok so we ALL know that big deal, but your cannot defeat the AFganis in there own country its been tried over and over so hey world lets give yhem there due, hey we all like the movie 300 right??? and remember Rocky 8000 lol damn they were our friends were seen who there were for real,, common give them a rest for a while,, and get on to more important things like i dont know pick one,,,

Sorry,, slowly breath,,thats it,,,


Latest month's intel.

TELEX-INTEL-WIRE URGENT
NONCONFIDENTIAL//FORN

-Venezuela, US underbelly Russia scores (with new dealings)
-Greece, Russia's underbelly, contested hotbed, Russia's only exit to Med.sea, US scores (newly appointed US NATO commander saying they now see Aegean as a gray area giving green light to Turkey to go a. and dispute creating a hot zone, also US-Germany scores via the imminent move of the IMF, plus riots of Dec. 2008 helped installation of a US friendly government) major ongoing US led psych operation aids Israel-AIPAC led-Islamic axis, US, Turkey.
-Kyrgyzstan, Russia's underbelly Russia scores (imminent kick out of a major US base plus regime change)
Kazakhstan, US-Russian friendly but not friendly enough for US, is next target on US scopes, if US intel agencies uses UFOs as a coverup then it is target for advanced psych warfare operations
-Ukraine, Russia's underbelly Russia scores, regime change.
-Israel, by way of deception, ongoing operations, firing up Muslim fundamentalism in nearby countries, result in Christians being kicked out. They can control Islam they can't control Christians, must dispose Christians. Also in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
-Germany, Russian underbelly, major player, most vital US ally on the planet, will aid as AIPAC styled lobby-ism loses favor in US and transits across Atlantic to Europe, effectively becoming the Jewish carrier in Europe. Holds the euro, reduces price, US scores limiting demand for Russian natural resources due to crisis. Attacks weak European economies helping to lower the euro, effectively creating low prices for real estate across Mediterranean, maybe used as back keeping area for Israel activities in case chemical or limited nuclear warfare is initiated in middle east.
Many projects in Germany active right now. Major mobilization of high tech and funds from South America also major Nazi ideologists relocating to Germany. Hints for advanced bio-medical projects maybe tied to a new world religion. Hints for future operation for boosting moral for impending Northern Europe Russian clashes. Germany is sending many signals for increased bio and tech covert activity.
-Turkey, Russian underbelly, major player, US and Russia at standstill, at the verge of social break up. Crisis is being used as pretext to strengthen ties with Islam. Unmet demands at the US may turn Turkey to (according to supposed US plan to block south Stream pipeline) occupy Aegean sea and Thrace in order to face major looming internal crisis. US may sell out Greece soon. Major ongoing psych operation aids an Israel-AIPAC led-Islamic axis, the US, Turkey. During an all out war, through Turkey and through Germany's EU economic policy Israel can gain foothold in acquiring the Mediterranean shores as a back keeping area to accommodate population and as leverage to steer major NATO international operations in Aegean, Black Sea and the Middle East.

Global threat level is ongoing yellow (elevated) with orange (high) peeks.

A fee of 100$ has been charged to your credit. Thank you for conducting Intel-wire.



[edit on 8-4-2010 by spacebot]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Some interesting developments:


The opposition, under ex-foreign minister Roza Otunbayeva, says it has taken full power...

...Kyrgyzstan is a strategically important central Asian state and houses a Russian base and a key US military base that supplies forces in Afghanistan. The US says there are "limited operations" at its Manas base but support for its forces in Afghanistan "has not been seriously affected".

Ms Otunbayeva said the "status quo would remain" regarding the bases but that some questions had to be considered.

She also thanked Russia for its "significant support" and said she would be sending envoys to Moscow for talks.

Later another opposition leader, Omurbek Tekebayev, told Reuters that Russia had "played its role in ousting Bakiyev" and that there was a "high probability that the duration of the US air base's presence in Kyrgyzstan will be shortened".

Source

So there we have it. This leaves little doubt as to the future direction of the country (assuming the coup lasts).

So is this basically 'regime change', Russian style?


Note: The source article has footage of a looted shopping mall. Barbaric.


[edit on 8/4/10 by pause4thought]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Well state media offices are legitimate targets.

When it happens in America, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Rush Limbaugh radio, all those propaganda tv/radio channels are legitimate targets to be taken.

After all they work for the government and their tyrannical movement. Without CNN and all those scum, the Iraq war wouldn't have been possible.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Too bad Obama and Russia have signed off on a reduction of nukes
and this had to happen.

I hope Kyrgyzstan has no missile silos that are affected.
Or maybe it has.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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You would prepare nukes because of civil unrest?

Kyrgyzstan signed on as part of a nuclear-free zone a couple years ago.
cns.miis.edu...



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


You would prepare nukes because of civil unrest?

Kyrgyzstan signed on as part of a nuclear-free zone a couple years ago.
cns.miis.edu...


There is always someone looking to pull the trigger for nuclear conflict.
No more JFKs to save the world.
Lets see what happens shall we.


[edit on 4/8/2010 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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The country has no nukes and no oil to speak of. Strategically it may be useful, but I cannot see anyone going to war, especially nuclear war, over it



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


The country has no nukes and no oil to speak of. Strategically it may be useful, but I cannot see anyone going to war, especially nuclear war, over it


Thats good news, thanks.
The only news I heard was Obama and Russia:
www.google.com...
and nuke reduction.

I do recall a reduction once before.
The people who like to use uprisings to their advantage are always
around.
Vigilance for freedom.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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It's not really a ``nuke reduction``, it's only a reduction of READY TO LAUNCH RIGHT NOW nukes.

It doesn't do anything to reduce real numbers of nukes and missiles.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by pause4thought
So there we have it. This leaves little doubt as to the future direction of the country (assuming the coup lasts).


It is still not necessarily clear where the new government will . from here. While the major opposition leaders certainly appear to be well dispositioned toward Russia, there is a lot of different views among the members of the opposition. It all depends on what they do from here, how they form the new government, and who will . it. They will create a provisional government untill the elections are held, probably within one year.

If they act on the Manas AFB and decide on which side to take, I think it will be after the elections. Also it may depend on the diplomatic abilities of both Russia and US, and what each one can bring to the table.


And the coup will last. Bakiyev has no leverage and no control at all. The police and the armed forces appear to be following orders of the new government now. The only potential sidetrack would be a start of a civil war, but that is highly unlikely for the time being.



Originally posted by pause4thought
So is this basically 'regime change', Russian style?


No telling yet. But if it is, then Russia is clearly taking a page from the US playbook. The uprising has the appearance of a popular movement supported by the people, not unlike the Color Revolutions, and if some outside party is responsible for it - it will never proclaim it outright. On the other hand unlike the Color Revolutions, this uprising did not take place immediately following the elections.

Personally I do not think that Russia is involved, but I realize that there is that possibility. Sure it had issues with Bakiyev, but it wasn't anything serious enough to warrant a violent coup. Bakiyev wasn't really anti-Russian, and the opposition wasn't particularly pro-Russian. If it was Russia, and the coup failed, Bakiyev would no doubt turn against Russian interests, potentially closing the Russian military base. That would be risking too much for an uncertain gain.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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That was a fascinating analysis: cautious, but realistic (while still acknowledging the possibility of Russian instigation/incitement).


Feelings are running high today:

Kyrgyzstan holds day of mourning for uprising victims


Kyrgyzstan is holding a day of national mourning for the victims of bloody protests which ousted the government. The first funerals are being held for those who died in the unrest which forced President Kurmanbek Bakiyev to flee the capital.

Mr Bakiyev has refused to resign but has offered to talk to the opposition, which has set up an interim government.

The deputy . of the interim government, Almazbek Atambyaev, has gone to Moscow "for talks on economic aid", the government said in a statement.

Thousands of mourners gathered in the main square of the capital, Bishkek, on Friday to remember those killed in Wednesday's violence.

Many of them blamed the deaths on Mr Bakiyev, who is believed to have fled to the south of the Central Asian country.

"Bakiyev must be tried and executed for all these crimes," said Fatima Imanaliyeva, whose two friends were killed when security forces opened fire on protesters.

"We will never forgive him. This is our revolution," she told Reuters news agency.

Another woman, Khatima Immamaliyeva, said she was grieving over the "real heroes who have sacrificed their lives for the future of Kyrgyzstan".

"Bakiyev must bear responsibility for the deaths," she said...

Source


The impact on the future of the US military base remains to be seen:


Both Russia and the US have airbases in Kyrgyzstan, and their presence has been the focus of debate in recent months. The US base at Manas is crucial to its operations in Afghanistan but its lease is due to expire in July.

One opposition leader, Omurbek Tekebayev, said Russia had "played its role in ousting Bakiyev" and that there was a "high probability that the duration of the US air base's presence in Kyrgyzstan will be shortened".

Washington has played down concerns over the future of the base, with a State Department spokesman underlining its "existing agreement with the government of Kyrgyzstan".

(Source as above)

...But have they not noticed that government no longer exists?






[edit on 9/4/10 by pause4thought]



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by spacebot


Latest month's intel.

TELEX-INTEL-WIRE URGENT
NONCONFIDENTIAL//FORN

-Venezuela, US underbelly Russia scores (with new dealings)
-Greece, Russia's underbelly, contested hotbed, Russia's only exit to Med.sea, US scores (newly appointed US NATO commander saying they now see Aegean as a gray area giving green light to Turkey to go a. and dispute creating a hot zone, also US-Germany scores via the imminent move of the IMF, plus riots of Dec. 2008 helped installation of a US friendly government) major ongoing US led psych operation aids Israel-AIPAC led-Islamic axis, US, Turkey.
-Kyrgyzstan, Russia's underbelly Russia scores (imminent kick out of a major US base plus regime change)
Kazakhstan, US-Russian friendly but not friendly enough for US, is next target on US scopes, if US intel agencies uses UFOs as a coverup then it is target for advanced psych warfare operations
-Ukraine, Russia's underbelly Russia scores, regime change.
-Israel, by way of deception, ongoing operations, firing up Muslim fundamentalism in nearby countries, result in Christians being kicked out. They can control Islam they can't control Christians, must dispose Christians. Also in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
-Germany, Russian underbelly, major player, most vital US ally on the planet, will aid as AIPAC styled lobby-ism loses favor in US and transits across Atlantic to Europe, effectively becoming the Jewish carrier in Europe. Holds the euro, reduces price, US scores limiting demand for Russian natural resources due to crisis. Attacks weak European economies helping to lower the euro, effectively creating low prices for real estate across Mediterranean, maybe used as back keeping area for Israel activities in case chemical or limited nuclear warfare is initiated in middle east.
Many projects in Germany active right now. Major mobilization of high tech and funds from South America also major Nazi ideologists relocating to Germany. Hints for advanced bio-medical projects maybe tied to a new world religion. Hints for future operation for boosting moral for impending Northern Europe Russian clashes. Germany is sending many signals for increased bio and tech covert activity.
-Turkey, Russian underbelly, major player, US and Russia at standstill, at the verge of social break up. Crisis is being used as pretext to strengthen ties with Islam. Unmet demands at the US may turn Turkey to (according to supposed US plan to block south Stream pipeline) occupy Aegean sea and Thrace in order to face major looming internal crisis. US may sell out Greece soon. Major ongoing psych operation aids an Israel-AIPAC led-Islamic axis, the US, Turkey. During an all out war, through Turkey and through Germany's EU economic policy Israel can gain foothold in acquiring the Mediterranean shores as a back keeping area to accommodate population and as leverage to steer major NATO international operations in Aegean, Black Sea and the Middle East.

Global threat level is ongoing yellow (elevated) with orange (high) peeks.

A fee of 100$ has been charged to your credit. Thank you for conducting Intel-wire.



[edit on 8-4-2010 by spacebot]


regarding Kazakhstan, how are they going to conduct something like these events in KZ? yeah there happened a riot once similar to this in 1986-Jeltoqsan. but the people in KZ are very content with the current prez. thing is KZ resembles China in that it is very capitalist with a strong centralized gummint. the difference is KZ prez lives and lets others live so to say. i mean there`s no regarding its own citizenry as commodity and expendable in Kazakhstan like it is in China. moreover there`s huge effort to up the population count so that if you happen to be of Kazakh nationality you are given a FREE housing or upstart money, FREE education and job assistance if you move to KZ. so far i have heard of only two other such countries- Germany and Israel. also the economy of Kazakhstan is stronger than that of all other Central Asian countries combined. for example there`s huge gap between Kazakh and Kirghiz economies and it`s growing exponentially. why would Kazakhs want to change that?

as per Germany, with the huge Turkish diaspora in there i think Russians would be able to stir up some sh*t in Deutschland.




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