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reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 02:10 AM by Subjective Truth

reply to post by predator0187

I would rather live here then in Europe. I can shoot my gun and I dont have sensors on my garbage and I dont have government run media. The progressive movement that has swept Europe will come to a end it is only a matter of time.

Europe will fall apart under the weight of the progressive movement. They have promised everyone everything and they can not pay for it. Rich countries will turn against poor countries and it will end up in war just like it always does.

I still think America is great because as soon as we notice that we are becoming progressive the power begins to switch. Obama and the progressive are on borrowed time in America they will be left out in the cold.

We have a new health care bill for one reason because the baby boomers were about to enter the system and the old system was about keeping people alive for as long as they could with no thought of the cost. They had to fix so they have made the system to be able to ration care it is the simple truth.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 02:20 AM by Oneolddude

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Let's see... I have a 3rdworld life style, a slave to the corporations, and don't live as well as a taxi driver in Singapore....OK.

I do have a house on five acres, own..not mortaged... but own the 45 acres of timberland/farm behind me, own land in a neighboring county, have a place at the coast on the intracoastal waterway of NC...paid for, have a daughter in college who will graduate in another 3 semesters with honors, only owe on my truck...the car is paid for.

Yeah, sounds like you are right... my life sucks.

Can I come live with you? I don't take up much space have a good retirement that goes where I go,free health care provided for me by the federal government because of my service.I am a well read ,intelligent,hard working moderate conservative.Please.

Don't get caught spitting on the sidewalk or chewing gum in Singapore they'll whip your @ss for that there.

Oz has almost no water and weird animals and fierce firestorms.

No I'll just stay here and learn Spanish,or Chinese.

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reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 03:31 AM by Redwookieaz

reply to post by CestLaVie

I just wanted to take a second and say if I could, I would star your first post in this thread a thousand times. You are so right my friend!

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:19 AM by Komodo

reply to post by OnceReturned

well.. don't know where you live friend.. but here in Oregon... without insurance.. it costs $700.00 for a 20-30 minute vist to the emergency, since the 'urgent care' won't take anything but sold hard cash from those that don't have insurance...

yep.. and that's the truth my friend.. don't believe me, I can post if you'd like..

so.. to say it's all unfounded.. and it's all a lie, might want to recheck your sources a bit more..

yep and that's AMERICA.. in the USA as of right now.. !

oh and yea.. we're filing for bankruptcy because of .. you got it .. medical bills and CC !!

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:27 AM by ofhumandescent

reply to post by AlreadyGone

You are not the common American.

Most American's have no hope of owning near what you do.

Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

I donate several hours a month in a soup kitchen and the number of homeless people in America is rising and rising fast.

Most American's have to pay $50 (or more) for a bottle of blood pressure medicine (many buy from Canada now, it's cheaper) because our big Pharma companies are some of the most powerful lobbyists in DC.

Our large corporations own America.

The "American Dream" of owning a home is now a joke, so far out of reach for most people.

Tax breaks are given to the wealthy and corporations, I know I spent less in taxes the year before last than my cleaning lady because I own a ten room house and town house.

American's are service to self vs socialism which is a dirty word over here.

On my way to work I would say 50-60% of the vehicles (one person per vehicle) were hugh SUVs. A SUV is a good choice if you live in the roughed out back but for suburban driving it's a waste of gas / resources.

American's have become fat, lazy, selfish and stupid. Drunk on the corporate kool aid.

Read my location.

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reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:29 AM by tektek2012

reply to post by predator0187

sadly very true. the more research i do the more i might be moving out

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:35 AM by AlreadyGone

reply to post by predator0187

I did it working in a grocery store, doing part time work and landscaping on the side, my parents were not rich...i

n fact they were poor...dirt poor. My father never made it past the 6th grade. They both had the proverbial 9 brothers and sisters...my mom had 12, lived in old country farm houses during the depression and WWII, my dad and my mom worked tobbacco, cotton, and didn't wear shoes until it got cold.

I have had to start over 3 times in my life...all I have I got in the last 12 years. 13 years ago, I was living in a barn with no running water...but I worked...hard, scrimped and saved, learn about investing...made some..lost some... but basically, it was hard work. I've never had a great job, just the kind of jobs any of you could get...but I carry my lunch everyday, eat breakfast at home, maybe eat out once a week with my wife, have a giant garden and raise my own food, have animals for meat, live a simple and good life....

for fun we go under the shade tree and grill some chickens, have a few beers, or we canoe the lake near our house, or down at the caost...we relax, shrimp, and eat steamed crabs.

You have the ability to do anything you want, be who you want to be, but it is not easy... you have to like beans and cornbread or rice or whatever is cheap. You NEED to get your education... not just on paper, but talk to people..learn how successful people did it...don't be afraid of failure, and be patient...I'm 47 and never dreamed I would have the things I do. More importantly, you need spritual growth to get through the tough times.. I am a Christian...you be who you will, but you do need that side of life... life is not perfect and you will bet down...the spiritual will pick you up. Read about successful people...a common theme is they all failed, never thought their life would go where it did...Pres. Eisenhower, US Grant, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Angela Lansbury, ...you get the point.

You are your future.... you are your worst enemy...you are your best friend. God Bless

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:38 AM by rick1

reply to post by predator0187

Who is this we you are talking about?

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:40 AM by Helmkat

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Let's see... I have a 3rdworld life style, a slave to the corporations, and don't live as well as a taxi driver in Singapore....OK.

I do have a house on five acres, own..not mortaged... but own the 45 acres of timberland/farm behind me, own land in a neighboring county, have a place at the coast on the intracoastal waterway of NC...paid for, have a daughter in college who will graduate in another 3 semesters with honors, only owe on my truck...the car is paid for.

Yeah, sounds like you are right... my life sucks.

Well you are the average American for sure

Your example is just as exaggerated as the OP.

American health care could and should be much better then it is. Right now American priorities are backwards. We are spending ourselves into the poorhouse on Wars based on lies but try and spend a fraction of the cost on Healthcare? OMG you would think the sky is falling.

On another note I will say this. Many years ago my great granparents visited from France with thoughts of maybe staying. They loved America, thought the people were great etc.

They returned to France.

Why?

They did not want to have to spend their life savings on Doctors should they become sick in their old age.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:42 AM by ofhumandescent

reply to post by Subjective Truth

You will have sensors on your garbage within 5 years.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:45 AM by hmmmbeer

Oh so much to say! And so little room...
Wow that hit the spot. but wait there's more.

Quality of life is so subjective. And not so many years ago, even in the US, it was measured by... or rather what was important in life was health, happiness, friends, family, fun etc.

Today: $$$ money.

In the 'rest of the world' (a concept foreign to many Americans) it is changing, but the old fashioned values still win in most cases over money.

Money is power. Money is control. Money (the love of) is the root of all evil. How true it is.

Nobody in america has reality any more - they just watch it on TV. While getting fat. Eating low quality, low value GM foods. While the 'rich' sip their expensive wines and eat non-GM fresh food.

The political world is a joke - us & them, GOP vs Dems - but there is no policy difference, all run by the corporates & military.

And lastly - this is astounding to me - 9/11 is such a blatant farce (inside job) defying all laws of propriety and physics, yet almost 10 years later is stll causing wars and endless pain and suffering.

That is one big chance for America to fix itself - out the 9/11 culprits and hang 'em.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:45 AM by GoodFella

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by predator0187

I would rather live here then in Europe. I can shoot my gun and I dont have sensors on my garbage and I dont have government run media. The progressive movement that has swept Europe will come to a end it is only a matter of time.

Europe will fall apart under the weight of the progressive movement. They have promised everyone everything and they can not pay for it. Rich countries will turn against poor countries and it will end up in war just like it always does.

I still think America is great because as soon as we notice that we are becoming progressive the power begins to switch. Obama and the progressive are on borrowed time in America they will be left out in the cold.

We have a new health care bill for one reason because the baby boomers were about to enter the system and the old system was about keeping people alive for as long as they could with no thought of the cost. They had to fix so they have made the system to be able to ration care it is the simple truth.

This is what living in USA does to your head.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:47 AM by Bilw85

So you're trying to convince a bunch of brain dead zombies to come to your country?

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:49 AM by AlreadyGone

reply to post by ofhumandescent

Well, where I live...I am the common American. In fact, in our little country community...there are those that are better off than me. In fact, I am very common here.

We get up at 5am...go to work.. I now am asst. mngr of a farm/feed store. I work some weekends and nights...just part of the job. I also have a small farm...many here have big farms.... everybody here does something on the side...cut grass, landscape, grading work, electrical work...notice a theme....WORK.

Nobody owes us anything...we grew up with the idea that if you want something...work for it.

I realize there are many that can't...I am sorry...there are those with limited means and opportunities....consider moving. Many have come to NC and love it...they miss good bagels and great pizza...but they love it.

Look for opportunities...make opportunities... follow opportunities.

Anyway, after work...we relax, visit, go to church, dine with friends, go to town and get a soda or ice cream...we rally do live in Mayberry.

Yes, I am a common man....a simple man... love it.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:57 AM by Fatality

I don't know about Canada and Australia because i have never been there. However i lived in Eastern and Western Europe and i completely disagree. I've been saying this for a while regarding some people that complain about how life in USA is, if you consider this life here at THIS moment even when the economy is going downwards , bad than you certainly do not know what bad is.

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reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 06:57 AM by AlreadyGone

reply to post by Helmkat

My example may seem exagerated to some, but I assure you it is real. I am glad to be an American, and as far as health care and insurance, I pay for it...but I work so I can pay for it..and until the recent legislation, really wasn't concerned.

My mother has had a stroke, but recovered very well. My dad has had brain surgery and is in great shape...no problems at 83 and 76 with insurance... everything went smoothly, and they maintain their lifestyle today... but they worked in a factory for years, and still work at home. They both walk 2 miles a day, have a large garden, my mom cans and freezes food like always, my dad cuts 2 yards for pocket money... just to stay busy.

You have the right to live where you want and how you want...as for me and mine, we will live in the USA. This country has been good to me and my family, and as long as we are free..I will continue to support it.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 07:13 AM by Merigold

I agree with the OP.

I've lived internationlly now for over 5 years and my quality of life has vastly improved over the 30 years I lived in America.

For the first time I feel like I am truely free, as I no longer count freedom in dollars. How free does a poor person feel? Having been poor in both America and in Europe I can tell you I felt a heck of alot freer in Europe. Today I would class my self as solidly middle class and I don't have a mortgage, an expensive car or stocks.

The main difference is that in America happiness is counted in dollars and not quality of life. I am happy because I have bought "fill in the blank". Whereas here, generally speaking, I am happy because I have lots of time to do the things I want to do.

My brother and his family are still in the US. They both work hard to try and provide for their children, but they can't even take the time off to come and visit me. My brother regularly works 60 hour weeks, my week tops out at 35 hours AND I make more than him ( I'm in a cubicle just like him, nothing high and might I assure you) . His wife works full time, half her salary goes to childcare and she doesn't have that quality time with her kids that I personally believe a mother should have. My brother does have guns though...I guess that makes up for it..NOT.

Quality of life is subjective I guess. For me personally the ability to have the time to LIVE is more important than stuff.

reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 07:21 AM by December_Rain

reply to post by predator0187

oh please it's a private blog for gods sake...what is the data the author used to differentiate between standard of living between American citizens and other country citizens? On what basis? Income? Lifestyle? Economic? Poll? All I see is the author writing a wall of text but does not explain how he came to this conclusion.

Also since you posted this in General Conspiracy section..what is the conspiracy angle?

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reply posted on 7-4-2010 @ 07:22 AM by Wrath5639

Thats the thing though, for the average american it does suck here. Unless you were one of the lucky few to be born w/ good means then its pretty much a crap shoot.

I just had a discussion w/ a friend of mine where he was asking why it seemed that no matter how hard we work it seems like we never get anywhere.

To which I replied, because we weren't born into money. So we have to spend our lives in dead end jobs, trying to keep our heads above water. All the while the gap between the haves, and the have nots grows galaxies apart.

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