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Originally posted by On the Edge
Originally posted by Gromle
reply to post by bigbstatz
I do understand that crime is high over there, and I can understand the need for a gun as it is right now. But something is wrong when you need a gun to feel safe.
Ive been to California, so I've seen a little bit of how it can be. I found it shocking that a industrialized nation in the western world had so much violence, crime and poverty.
But I still dont see the connection between guns and freedom. From where I stand the easy access to guns limits the freedom. Everyone has them, you can get shot for looking in the wrong direction. Guns will perhaps make the everyday life a bit safer, but its only short term solution.
And I find it kinda funna so many say that guns equals freedom because you need them to defend yourself from the other dude with a gun. It nullifies the argument.
Freedom for me is to able to walk where I want without having to bring my personal arsenal to feel safe.
That'd be great,except the government can't regulate "morality",and there will always be those that want to take advantage of weakness in others,and those who have no qualms about shooting people.
Haven't you heard the expression:"When guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns"?
From another angle,if you were out in the woods and being attacked by a bear,what would you rather have,someone throwing rocks at it or someone with a gun who could put it down and save your life?
[edit on 8-4-2010 by On the Edge]
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Gromle
Why do you americans feel that you have to carry a gun all the time?
You think that murderers, rapists, and robbers allow you to choose the time when a person can be robbed, your child can be abducted or worse, or when a woman will be raped?....
Do your criminals allow you to choose the time when they will attack you?...
Why is it that non-Americans such as yourself seem to think that a criminal will allow you to go home to get your weapon to defend yourself?...
Are you people really that naive?...
You don't get to choose when you are going to be robbed, raped, or even murdered, hence it is important to be protected at all times....
Yes, being able to carry a gun IS ABOUT FREEDOM, just like being able to speak your mind AT ANY TIME if you think you must....
Yes there should be exceptions...for example if someone has threatened another person's life without a good cause such a person shouldn't be armed.
BTW, in EVERY country where law abidding citizens have been banned to carry, or to own weapon crime HAS INCREASED.... I wonder why that is....
Most crimes in the United States occur in cities where guns are banned, or heavily restricted.... I wonder why....
But it seems that some people, and mostly non-Americans apparently, can't put two and two together and still think that their "selfrighteous morals" should be imposed on everyone.....
[edit on 8-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
That's part of the problem with America. Everyone is to busy complaining about how evidentially bad their way of living is and not taking action in their own lives to change their situation. It's always someone else's fault and not their own. You have seriously become soft, America. It's only a matter of time before we destroy ourselves from within because there are too many people looking on the outside. Take the time to stop posting on here, set the keyboard down and make sure that your life is where you want it to be. If it's not, ask yourself why. Don't ask me, him, her, congress, the president. Ask yourself. But, chances are you're just going to continue to lie to yourself saying you tried and it's not your fault. That's just a weak cop out for not wanting to take responsibility.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by predator0187
one less socialist, millions more to go... Our ancetors left there home nation to get away from oppresive governments only to see one rise here.... Maybe I can move to another planet if we find one