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posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:50 AM
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SKL, When I saw your marionette picture I just had to modify it. Here goes, let us just say that SKL is using his scissors one "thread" at a time.





posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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This is by far the best thread I have read on ATS in the time I have been here.

(not a long time, but still, top stuff .)

I would like to add some thoughts about the proliferation of this all powerful NWO(it is almost an abstract entity to me) and in particular a trend I have noticed on forums like ATS and others.

It seems to me that there are those on this particular side of the NWO concept( that is people who side with the conspiracist that endeavor to spread "revelation" or expose the NWO) they all have similar tactics or habits.
Jordan Maxwell, Jones, David Icke, Zeitgeist etc. As well as Wilcock to an extent, I could go on. Groups too, like Camelot etc.
Many of these "experts" correlate material, interpret symbology or attribute significance to events all in a manner that suggests that there is a cause for it all, that being the NWO. On the surface, it appears plausible and possible, but upon closer scrutiny it becomes unstable.

To me it seems that the CT's specifically target pillars of society. Religion, Economics and Politics. The attack on these pillars is damaging to anyone who does little to verify the concepts or claims asserted, and in many circumstances, these are offered as conclusions.

Many people I have spoken to refer to terms like "awake" or "not a sheeple anymore". But what I feel happens is that people stop actually accepting the world they live in as a source of truth and replace it with the version they have presented to them. Whilst many people will tell you they are now empowered or aware, the reverse is true.
Their ability to participate in the systems that actually effect their lives evaporates, and to me this is the real tragedy of the NWO concept.

Politically, an individual who accepts the concept of the NWO, the vote or even the support of a party and a candidate, it is corrupted and worthless. All the parties are the same and controlled by the NWO. This also renders an individuals local perspective on politics as useless. In reality, it is a local approach and local activism in local and regional politics that trickles up the chain. No politician starts at the top. The perspective now becomes one of a trickle down effect from a NWO source. The exact reverse.

Economically, an individual feels that their life is controlled by slavery, that without financial prosperity or influence, ones ability to achieve things or effect outcomes in the society is non existent.

Religiously, a persons spiritual base is dismantled by a claim that it was invented or manipulated to merely exercise control, yet again. Religion plays a massive role in many peoples live by answering huge questions, questions we could spend a life time consumed with trying to answer. This gives people security and a freedom to function on other levels.

Many NWO CT experts target these three parts of society and associate them specifically with the NWO. Many people rely on them and these are all entwined in everyday life.
The NWO CT, that controls these three elements of society, relegates a reality that many people live day to day amongst these three pillars, to a lie. One could walk around looking at all of the world that exists as a lie, the truth then becomes that which they have been presented by those that tell it.
This puts individuals at odds with the world, and isolated. We hear people say others dismiss them as "nuts". This can drive a person to that source of "the truth" even more due to "sheeple".

What is dangerous, IMHO, is that many people are getting this version of the world(the NWO conspiracy) from the internet and sites like ATS, Infowars, Icke etc.
They are virtual. But to the individual in the NWO controlled world he/she occupies as a lie, these virtual sources are elevated to the truth and the only source of what is real.
The irony, it makes me feel sick at times.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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Very good points,
and the end result from that behavior you explain, imho,
is the individual surrenders autonomy, no longer is connected to providing answers but instead anticipates and waits for direction from an ideal that only offers questions of itself.
It's trusting an errant ENE digital reading while your eyes show you sailing due west 270' into a setting sun.
Trouble really shows up when you invite others into the pilot house and the consenus becomes that the ENE reading is accurate.
Be the person that points to the setting sun dead ahead and introduce the question of current course, reach for the wheel, (insert assassinated or discredited leaders name here).

faculty.matcmadison.edu...
Here's my visual I've made for myself.
We all play in what we believe is our sandbox.
The entire sheet is the world.
The quadrants are controlled by those occupying the "seats" of power, wealth, media, etc, access to "the system"
The individual squares are nations, regions, states.
"We" find ourselves, as specks within those individual squares.
Elevating yourself to a position of influence to have an effect singularly is quite a challenge.
What, are the conditions needed in the sandbox scenario to allow access to influence and change?
Ah yes, still more questions, BUT I subscribe to the theory that "we" can provide the answers rather than accept those supplied.






[edit on 7-4-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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That's just it, timewalker, in order to defeat the "New World Order", you have to realize it is you who control it.

You do this through acceptance of it as a real entity, but it is an abstract idea, a ghost.

Those who are pulling the puppet strings know you will have a varied opinion, definition, and perspective from everyone else.

This is how an abstract idea defeats a real one.

It is through the ruse of bait and switch, what people cannot see is that it is on such a grand scale.

It is actually defined by you though your belief systems.

The rest of the speech is said for whichever purpose of the day it was designed for, that was in need. Technology, security, terrorism and written and spoken in such a way through political double-speak and rhetoric so as to guarantee that you are targeted and agitated.

Meanwhile those people who buy the platitudes, falsehoods, and sheep petting speeches see it merely as a soothing and cajoling message.

And through this process you are culled from the herd, both by your own actions and reactions, and as well by the willingness of those we often refer to as sheeple feeling safe and secure.

This works so well because the likelihood of perspective being so different as to lead by what each person see as an individual person.

In the Hegelian Dialectic this would be the negative action. The abstract is the wholly indefinable threat through a lack of one singular meaning, differing perspectives ensures this through religion, political partisanship, and age ranges.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Hegelian Dialectic

Hegelian dialectic, usually presented in a three-fold manner, was stated by Heinrich Moritz Chalybäus as comprising three dialectical stages of development: a thesis, giving rise to its reaction, an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis, and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis.

Although this model is often named after Hegel, he himself never used that specific formulation.

Hegel ascribed that terminology to Kant.

Carrying on Kant's work, Fichte greatly elaborated on the synthesis model, and popularized it.

On the other hand, Hegel did use a three-valued logical model that is very similar to the antithesis model, but Hegel's most usual terms were: Abstract-Negative-Concrete.

Sometimes Hegel would use the terms, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

Hegel used these terms hundreds of times throughout his works.

The formula, Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis, does not explain why the Thesis requires an Antithesis.

However, the formula, Abstract-Negative-Concrete, suggests a flaw in any initial thesis—it is too abstract and lacks the negative of trial, error and experience.

The same applies to the formula, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

For Hegel, the Concrete, the Synthesis, the Absolute, must always pass through the phase of the Negative, that is, Mediation.

This is the actual essence of what is popularly called Hegelian Dialectics.

To describe the activity of overcoming the negative, Hegel also often used the term Aufhebung, variously translated into English as "sublation" or "overcoming," to conceive of the working of the dialectic.

Roughly, the term indicates preserving the useful portion of an idea, thing, society, etc., while moving beyond its limitations.

(Jacques Derrida's preferred French translation of the term was relever).

In the Logic, for instance, Hegel describes a dialectic of existence: first, existence must be posited as pure Being (Sein); but pure Being, upon examination, is found to be indistinguishable from Nothing (Nichts).

When it is realized that what is coming into being is, at the same time, also returning to nothing (in life, for example, one's living is also a dying), both Being and Nothing are united as Becoming.

As in the Socratic dialectic, Hegel claimed to proceed by making implicit contradictions explicit: each stage of the process is the product of contradictions inherent or implicit in the preceding stage.

For Hegel, the whole of history is one tremendous dialectic, major stages of which chart a progression from self-alienation as slavery to self-unification and realization as the rational, constitutional state of free and equal citizens.

The Hegelian dialectic cannot be mechanically applied for any chosen thesis.

Critics argue that the selection of any antithesis, other than the logical negation of the thesis, is subjective.

Then, if the logical negation is used as the antithesis, there is no rigorous way to derive a synthesis.

In practice, when an antithesis is selected to suit the user's subjective purpose, the resulting "contradictions" are rhetorical, not logical, and the resulting synthesis is not rigorously defensible against a multitude of other possible syntheses.

The problem with the Fichtean "Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis" model is that it implies that contradictions or negations come from outside of things.

Hegel's point is that they are inherent in and internal to things.

This conception of dialectics derives ultimately from Heraclitus.

Hegel has outlined that the purpose of dialectics is "to study things in their own being and movement and thus to demonstrate the finitude of the partial categories of understanding"

One important dialectical principle for Hegel is the transition from quantity to quality, which he terms the Measure.

The measure is the qualitative quantum, the quantum is the existence of quantity.

"The identity between quantity and quality, which is found in Measure, is at first only implicit, and not yet explicitly realized.

In other words, these two categories, which unite in Measure, each claim an independent authority.

On the one hand, the quantitative features of existence may be altered, without affecting its quality.

On the other hand, this increase and diminution, immaterial though it be, has its limit, by exceeding which the quality suffers change. [...] But if the quantity present in measure exceeds a certain limit, the quality corresponding to it is also put in abeyance.

This however is not a negation of quality altogether, but only of this definite quality, the place of which is at once occupied by another.

This process of measure, which appears alternately as a mere change in quantity, and then as a sudden revulsion of quantity into quality, may be envisaged under the figure of a nodal (knotted) line".


As an example, Hegel mentions the states of aggregation of water:

"Thus the temperature of water is, in the first place, a point of no consequence in respect of its liquidity: still with the increase or diminution of the temperature of the liquid water, there comes a point where this state of cohesion suffers a qualitative change, and the water is converted into steam or ice".

As other examples Hegel mentions the reaching of a point where a single additional grain makes a heap of wheat; or where the bald-tail is produced, if we continue plucking out single hairs.

Another important principle for Hegel is the negation of the negation, which he also terms Aufhebung (sublation): Something is only what it is in its relation to another, but by the negation of the negation this something incorporates the other into itself.

The dialectical movement involves two moments that negate each other, a somewhat and an another.

As a result of the negation of the negation, "something becomes an other; this other is itself somewhat; therefore it likewise becomes an other, and so on ad infinitum".

Something in its passage into other only joins with itself, it is self-related.

In becoming there are two moments: coming-to-be and ceasing-to-be: by sublation, i.e. negation of the negation, being passes over into nothing, it ceases to be, but something new shows up, is coming to be.

What is sublated (aufgehoben) on the one hand ceases to be and is put to an end, but on the other hand it is preserved and maintained.

In dialectics, a totality transform itself, it is self-related.


This is demonstrated easily enough through not only the abstract valuation of the alleged "New World Order", but with several other organizations, like "Government", and or "Military", and or "Law Enforcement".

All four of those above mentioned organizations have varied definitions to each of us as human beings. This is because of our own levels of education, knowledge, and experiences with each.

If we see the "New World Order", "Government", "Law Enforcement", or "Military" as a threat, they are, if we see them as benevolent, they are, if we see them as evil, vile, and corrupt, they are those things.

But if we see them as filled with human beings, just like us, albeit different ethics, morals, agendas, races, and perspectives, we see they are just as fallible as we are. We make mistakes but so do people, that is a guarantee in life. People make mistakes and it is not that we or they made them that is important, but how we handle them and what we do because of them which is so much more important.

This is usually where we as "conspiracy theorists" fall into the trap and speak of revolution, becoming violent, or threatening violence.

This is where we quite literally become the puppets through ignorance.

We mention revolution, but forget we are being monitored; we speak of becoming violent, but forget our actions are being watched under the surveillance state; we threaten violence, but forget there are laws in place which make this illegal. Through this we forget important keywords, actions, and message only gives those in power more reason to act, creating the negative that they can point to as reasoning for funding, riot squads, or more intelligence gathering techniques.

All of which were not needed, not wanted, and or not necessary, but because we helped create them to begin with, we helped create them, and the need.

Am I saying no action is necessary?

No, I am not.

Quite the opposite in fact, action is not only necessary, it is mandatory.

But remember to act wisely and with positive intent.



If you remember the movie "The Matrix" and the training scene of the woman in red, you saw when Morpheus used Neo and his inattention as a means to demonstrate exactly what I have been saying here.

The words, "New World Order", makes that family member, co-worker, or whichever person we try to convince of an impending doom, or grand conspiracy, into the next "Agent Smith".



This is where I began boning up on politics through knowing the laws, the politicians, and the international agendas. Instead of using the words "New World Order", in their place I speak of books which I have read, the historical precedents, and the political connections of corporations to demonstrate in depth research, analysis, and cross-referencing it takes to figure out what is happening. Through this I not only defeat the "New World Order" within my abilities, it leaves them no avenue to attack me, and I lead by example, the only example, the winning example.

By doing this not only do I cut their puppet strings, I confuse, confound, and compromise their only ability to control me through fear, and kick their collective asses, without violence, without ignorance, without lifting a finger and or hand through literally out-witting them, out-thinking, and out-doing them, because I am using their actions.

I am using their actions to not only defeat them but to show I can do it better.

Always use your opponent’s strengths and weaknesses against them.

And World Government is both strong and flawed and it is easily crippled.

Use the "Hegelian Dialectic" to defeat the "Hegelian Dialectic", through teaching it, and through teaching it, showing it defeatable.

To use it, but never wield it, never be bought through it, defeats it.

Every single time.

Abstract, negative, concrete.

"New World Order", it will win because of our fear, and through our fear we defeat ourselves, before a battle has even been engaged, abstract, negative, concrete.

Abstract idea, the "New World Order", and its existence.

Negative idea, it will create a One World Government, through our fear.

Concrete idea, it succeeds, once we give in to the fear, therefore a self-fulfilling prophecy.



Deny Ignorance.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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I agree.

There is an evil at work in the world.

Usually, it is bankers and or corporations, which use the system.

They profit off of both sides of the conflict.

Little do those bankers know that we are awakening to their greed.

Corporation's and Fascism are so similar as to be almost identical.

This is when we must realize that the system that wants a "solution", usually has an ulterior motive, and through the means, that motive is suspect, because means, motive, and opportunity leads to horrible atrocities, like those horrendous ones of old.

As much as I hate bureaucracy, it is needed to some extent, but it is when it is not only needlessly used as a shield, to create the cry for less of it that we must worry, because the hammer is waiting once the shield is lowered.

And we are the bug waiting to be smashed by the impotent child.

It is often said "God" is a small child watching an anthill with a magnifying glass.

The Ant Bully: Hot Enough For You?


The question is whether we are the ant, or the small child, playing "God".

[edit on 8-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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Screw the NWO...there are too many people in the world for it to work...[right now]...That's what I say at least..just too many people...So depopulation is their next goal...they are doing it slowly...



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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How apropos, endisnighe.


Cutting the strings of the "New World Order".

One thread at a time.

Little do they know but when my book is published it is their death knell.

Metallica - For Whom The Bell Tolls with lyrics



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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And we can sing this song at the top of our lungs-





posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:17 PM
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That is quite simply because I do not believe in sugar-coating crap.

Most people speak to those symbols and idiocy and are simply misleading people.

They never just cut to the chase and get down to brass tacks.

This is their ego needing to be stroked and instead of pointing to the evidence, they make stuff up, and clearly dilute the information with meaningless drivel.

Money, Security and Health : How Much Is Your Freedom Worth To You?

The post above is me cutting to the chase with the Healthcare Reform Act.

When it comes to people like David Icke they mistake or mislead people in believing in "shapeshifting aliens", which a load of crap, clear and inviolate lies and half-truths mixed with psychology to make their story sound and sell like an episode of X-Files, when it is clearly not.

When anyone quote some like David Icke and his theories I shake my head.

He refers to shapeshifting aliens, called "reptilians", which is a take on Freud and the argument of Id, Ego, and Super-Ego.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Id, Ego, Super-Ego

Id, ego, and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus defined in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche; they are the three theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction mental life is described.

According to this model, the uncoordinated instinctual trends are the "id"; the organised realistic part of the psyche is the "ego," and the critical and moralising function the "super-ego."

Even though the model is "structural" and makes reference to an "apparatus", the id, ego, and super-ego are functions of the mind rather than parts of the brain and do not necessarily correspond one-to-one with actual somatic structures of the kind dealt with by neuroscience.

The concepts themselves arose at a late stage in the development of Freud's thought: the structural model was first discussed in his 1920 essay "Beyond the Pleasure Principle" and was formalised and elaborated upon three years later in his "The Ego and the Id."

Freud's proposal was influenced by the ambiguity of the term "unconscious" and its many conflicting uses.

The terms "id," "ego," and "super-ego" are not Freud's own.

They are latinisations by his translator James Strachey.

Freud himself wrote of "das Es," "das Ich," and "das Über-Ich"—respectively, "the It," "the I," and the "Over-I" (or "Upper-I"); thus to the German reader, Freud's original terms are more or less self-explanatory.

Freud borrowed the term "das Es" from Georg Groddeck, a German physician to whose unconventional ideas Freud was much attracted (Groddeck's translators render the term in English as "the It").


Isaac Asimov: The Three Laws of Robotics


In the movie I, Robot Isaac Asimov (Asimov wrote the book which lead to that movie) used the analogy of the Three Laws to show us how people are similar to robots, and the same can be said of the Power Elite, and their programming being miswired.

The Elite families are so extremely paranoid, they inter-marry and interbreed, similar to how A.K.C. animals are usually mated to their own offspring as a means to keep the offspring "pure-bred".

The difference is that the Elite, families like Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bush, Clinton, Kennedy did this in order to keep their money within the family and because they see us, average citizens, those not born into wealth, as less than them, and they see us as a contagious disease.

Those alleged "reptilian shapeshifters" are nothing more than men, who's greed outweighs their consciences, because they have no consciences.

They are not immoral, they are amoral, they have no morals to begin with.

They see money as worth more than humanity itself even at the cost of their humanity.

This leads them to making outrageously stupid leaps towards making money.

They side with idiots like Adolph Hitler, Thomas Watson, or Saddam Hussein, as a means to make a cut-out to make themselves money through distancing themselves from the people they see as lesser than them.

This is why ghosts like the New World Order are created, as a means to cover this trail, leaving a false-trail people will follow believing they are on to something, when they are clearly chasing a non-existent entity.

If they would but read books which link these sociopaths, the Elite families, they might see the pattern, but they so often only read about this stuff online, or spread it like rumors to others, and never put together the information as evidence.

If they had they might figure out how Pearl Harbor was known about in advance because of the Flying Tigers, when F.D.R. had them as "volunteers" (read mercenaries) in China kicking Hirohito's butt.

As well as we broke the Purple Code.

Or they might have read evidence where Hitler was assisted through Wall Street, through backroom deals, to get into power, by Elite families.

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler




Amazon Review :

This is the third and final volume of a trilogy describing the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Each of these events introduced some variant of socialism into a major country — i.e., Bolshevik socialism in Russia, New Deal socialism in the United States, and National socialism in Germany.

Contemporary academic histories, with perhaps the sole exception of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy And Hope, ignore this evidence.

On the other hand, it is understandable that universities and research organizations, dependent on financial aid from foundations that are controlled by this same New York financial elite, would hardly want to support and to publish research on these aspects of international politics.

The bravest of trustees is unlikely to bite the hand that feeds his organization.

It is also eminently clear from the evidence in this trilogy that "public-spirited businessmen" do not journey to Washington as lobbyists and administrators in order to serve the United States.

They are in Washington to serve their own profit-maximizing interests.

Their purpose is not to further a competitive, free-market economy, but to manipulate a politicized regime, call it what you will, to their own advantage.

It is business manipulation of Hitler's accession to power in March 1933 that is the topic of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler.


But, because people do not bother to dig beneath the surface, they never uncover the O.S.S., finding this information, and blackmailing the Elite families, and re-open into the C.I.A. later with unlimited funding.

And those Elite families, instead of being shown for monsters, are allowed to continue their atrocities, unchallenged, or sometimes within collusion.

I see the "New World Order", the name, as a fabricated means of illiciting negative reactions from those who are not willing to dig deeply, by the C.I.A. and a few other Intelligence Agencies, as smoke and mirrors.

And people like Anthony Sutton uncover this information.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Anthoy Sutton

Antony Cyril Sutton (February 14, 1925 - June 17, 2002) was a British-born economist, historian, and writer.


Harvard, Yale, Oxford and other Ivy League colleges are the illicit breeding grounds for their childish pranks and manipulative scheming behind organizations like the now almost infamous Skull and Bones.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Skull and Bones

Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut.

The society's alumni organization, which owns the society's real property and oversees the organization, is the Russell Trust Association, named for General William Huntington Russell, who co-founded Skull and Bones with classmate Alphonso Taft.

The Russell Trust was founded by Russell and Daniel Coit Gilman, member of Skull and Bones and later a university president.

The society is known informally as "Bones", and members are known as "Bonesmen".

During the senior year each Skull and Bones class meets every Thursday and Sunday night.

The emblem of Skull and Bones is a skull with crossed bones, over the number "322".

President George H. W. Bush, his son President George W. Bush, and the latter's 2004 Presidential opponent Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.




But to those of us who know them, we know them as The Order.



Right and Left : A Control Mechanism of the Skull and Bones Society, the Order of Chaos

[edit on 9-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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We as free-thinking citizens can almost guarantee every single time the "official" story is an "official lie", told and sold to the unknowing populace.

I remember hearing George W. Bush speaking after 9/11.

The hairs on the back of my neck were standing on end because I heard through the propaganda laced lies, into the heart of what he was saying, because of my knowledge of Government.

George W. Bush Speech : Joint Session of Congress 9/20/01

Almost every word of his speech was a lie because of our Government being in bed with the Al Saud family, especially the Bush family, and a majority of the alleged 19 hi-jackers being Saudi citizens, the evidence is overwhelming.

Thank God we do not have to listen to that idiot any longer and I will be thanking God once Obama is out of office too, because the Presidency is a tainted house.

Our country is no longer represented by people of integrity but corporations.

And those corporations seek money, curry favors, and buy politicians.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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BILDERBERG GROUP IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
THEY WILL NEVER COME OUT AND SAY" WE ARE THE NEW WORLD ORDER"
THEY ARE A SECRET ORDER.. A SECRET GOVERNMENT.
A GOVERNMENT THAT CONSISTS OF 125 OF THE MAJOR LEADERS FROM ALL MAJOR PLAYING NATIONS.
THEY ARE BEHIND IT ALL!!!
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS THEN I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
U2U



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by whiteboynolan
BILDERBERG GROUP IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
THEY WILL NEVER COME OUT AND SAY" WE ARE THE NEW WORLD ORDER"
THEY ARE A SECRET ORDER.. A SECRET GOVERNMENT.
A GOVERNMENT THAT CONSISTS OF 125 OF THE MAJOR LEADERS FROM ALL MAJOR PLAYING NATIONS.
THEY ARE BEHIND IT ALL!!!
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS THEN I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
U2U


Thank you for your post.

I have a question for you before I reply to your post.

1) Why all caps?

That is considered screaming, when in an online environment, it is not necessary.

 


I do know about the Bilderberg Group and all of their "master plans".

I have done quite a few threads on them outlining their plans.

And as well I realize they are behind the scenes planning, scheming, and manipulating.

Bilderberger : The Global Agenda, Eugenics, Global Warming, And Biochiping Sheeple



As well as this it is the Council on Foreign Relations who is to blame.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Council on Foreign Relations

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is an American nonprofit and nonpartisan membership organization dedicated to improving the understanding of U.S. foreign policy and international affairs.

Founded in 1921 and headquartered at 58 East 68th Street (Park Avenue) in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C., CFR is considered to be 'the most influential foreign-policy think tank.'

It publishes a bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs.

It has an extensive website, www.cfr.org, featuring links to its history, fellows’ biographical information, think tank, the David Rockefeller Studies Program, Independent Task Force reports and other reports, CFR books, expert interviews, meeting transcripts, audio, and videos, Emmy award-winning multimedia Crisis Guides and timelines, Foreign Affairs, and many other publications, biographies of notable directors and other board members, corporate members, and press releases.


I strongly recommend the book below as well as all of the books I've referenced so far.

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time



It is as well the United Nations fault, the choking bureaucracy, and organizations like one of its arms, United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.




Quote from : Wikipedia : United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) is a United Nations agency that was established in 1997 as the Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention by combining the United Nations International Drug Control Programme (UNDCP) and the Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice Division in the United Nations Office at Vienna.

It was renamed the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2002.


When organizations like this do absolutely nothing about Human Trafficking, not because of a lack of funding, but because deep down, they push the bureaucracy upon each nation, in the hopes of eventually selling the R.F.I.D. chip program, as a means to serve as the cashless societies herd migrations tracking by allowing themselves to seem as if they do their jobs, and as well all of each country interacting within the World Government, it becomes the "conspiracy theorist's responsibility to expose their lies.




Quote from : Wikipedia : Human Trafficking

Human trafficking is the practice of people being tricked, lured, coerced or otherwise removed from their home or country, and then forced to work with no or low payment or on terms which are highly exploitative.

The practice is considered to be the trade or commerce of people, which has many features of slavery, and which is illegal in most countries.

The victims of human trafficking are used in a variety of situations, including prostitution, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and other forms of involuntary servitude.

The sale of babies and children for adoption or other purposes is also considered to be trafficking in those children.

The Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (also referred to as the Palermo Protocol) is a protocol to the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime and defines human trafficking as the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

As of September 2008, the Protocol has been signed by 117 countries, and there are 124 parties.

Human trafficking is the fastest-growing criminal industry in the world, with the total annual revenue for trafficking in persons estimated to be between USD$5 billion and $9 billion.

The Council of Europe states, "People trafficking has reached epidemic proportions over the past decade, with a global annual market of about $42.5 billion."

The United Nations estimates nearly 2.5 million people from 127 different countries are being trafficked around the world.

Trafficking victims typically are recruited using coercion, deception, fraud, the abuse of power, or outright abduction.

Human trafficking across international borders requires cooperation and collaboration between states if it is to be tackled effectively.

The OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe), an ad hoc intergovernmental organization under the United Nations Charter, is one of the leading agencies fighting the problem of human trafficking, with an area of operation that includes North America, Europe, Russia, and Central Asia.


Their goal is to sell to each nation, the bio-chip program, through Verichip, Digital Angel, and Destron Fearing.


Quote from Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.


When corporations like Destron Fearing are already entrenched into 40 nations, we have to do something, and do it right, which is what this thread and every one I do is all about, doing it legally, passively, and so it will work, without ignorance.

So, yes, the Bilderberp Group is responsible, but the name "New World Order", is nothing more than a name, and a game, and those people running this game, are traitors to humanity, all in the name of greed, power, and deception.

Yes, a secret government, a hidden government, because they answer to no government.

They believe themselves to be above such petty means because they have money, power, and secrecy.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Ok SKL. You want a reply from me bad enough to go to my profile and announce your thread, then fine, I'll give you one. But it won't be all good.

First, nice thread, good work, and you bring about important points. And one in particular- that basically the NWO is a state of mind that we should avoid, and it is how we are controlled. To a degree I agree. I mean sure, I could just say right now "Screw all this," throw away my computer, and go fishing on the lake. Or go play my drums. Or whatever.

But in the same way you caution us with this thread to essentially disconnect yourself from perceptions, I will likewise caution you to NOT disconnect yourself too far from REALITY.

And that reality is, SKL, not just perceptions of the forces of evil that drive so much of our top leadership not only in this country but in most others as well. It is REALITY. And as such, whether you perceive yourself to be a puppet or puppet master, it really matters not to me. What matters the most to me is the injustice being served up in staggering amounts to innocent people all over this planet. And not just the people, either- animals too.

It is real. War is made real every day, and is brought upon us- not because your average person wants it, but because politicians and greedy ass bastards- call them what you will- sacrifice human life for profit and power on a DAILY basis. This is the world we live in, SKL. It is REAL, and not just a perception.

You suggest to vote in new people of wiser and better ways, but yet you make no mention of the fact that 80 % of the voting systems have been compromised and are corrupt- effectively rendering your desirable notion- impossible. You can't vote in new people when the system itself is compromised.

Even in the case of a person like Ron Paul getting elected, somehow, to President, I can only imagine what would happen in the following closed door sessions when he was informed by the puppet masters of just how things were going to be. He would stand powerless against them, as so many other Presidents have stood before them. All that work to get there, only to be smitten down like a mouse in a rat trap.

You may choose to indulge in lofty ideals, which is up to you- and I'm not saying your ideas are bad by any means, mind you- but I guess I am more of a realist. I see what goes on. I hate it. And I can't fix it. I want to, but the task is too great. So maybe the only solution is for me to go play my drums or go fishing- and throw away this keyboard.

It is often said that the pen is mightier than the sword, but no one can ever seem to explain to me why the puppet masters keep using swords. Maybe it's time we all grabbed one too, until the day that we can put those away and use pens for a while again.



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Ok SKL. You want a reply from me bad enough to go to my profile and announce your thread, then fine, I'll give you one. But it won't be all good.


I guarantee I will disagree with you on several points.

And I knew you would love this topic, so a reply was not necessarily my intent, but willing participation in a complex topic, where I knew you would give a different perspective, and as well it would be an intelligent one.

If you agreed with everything I thought I would not respect you.

And we disagree on many topics although we've not posted back and forth a lot.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
First, nice thread, good work, and you bring about important points. And one in particular- that basically the NWO is a state of mind that we should avoid, and it is how we are controlled. To a degree I agree. I mean sure, I could just say right now "Screw all this," throw away my computer, and go fishing on the lake. Or go play my drums. Or whatever.


Agreed.

The "New World Order" is nothing more than a state of mind.

And we create it through a fear-driven mentality.

The "grab your guns" mentality creates the ability to take them away.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
But in the same way you caution us with this thread to essentially disconnect yourself from perceptions, I will likewise caution you to NOT disconnect yourself too far from REALITY.


Of course.

My point was never to disconnect from reality.

But to disconnect from a false reality and watch the only reality happening.

A manipulative game, played so many levels against citizens, by their respective Government's.

It is the false "right-wing/left-wing" paradigm we must be paying attention to, believing falsely that there is an actual right/left paradigm, when it is actually World Government as well as Federal Government playing both of those sides against the middle, against themselves.

And standing back and watching us fight amongst ourselves like ignorant fools.

Reminds me of a situation at work where two co-workers began a fist fight over stupidity, right after one spit at the other, and I was hit in the crossfire, and as the two co-workers began swinging those fists at each other and a third co-worker came in thinking rather ignorantly that I had gotten stuck in between the pissing lions.

My mentality is let the idiots slug it out and not get between two factions of stupidity and ignorance.

And then throw their collective keisters out of the store after their done blooding each other.

So, you see, I understand the mentality of those in charge, let the situation handle itself.

If they were even close to killing each other, I might have chosen differently.

But the place they were fighting was a choke-point, physically, a confined space and I never step into a choke-point unless I am in control of it, or willing to take it by force.

I was unwilling to take it by force because of the sheer stupidity and ignorance of those two idiots, they were not worth me getting hit in the process.

That is not to say I cannot take a choke-point by force, Thermopylae comes to mind.

But, situation dictates tactics, tactics dictates outcome, outcome dictates survival.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
And that reality is, SKL, not just perceptions of the forces of evil that drive so much of our top leadership not only in this country but in most others as well. It is REALITY. And as such, whether you perceive yourself to be a puppet or puppet master, it really matters not to me. What matters the most to me is the injustice being served up in staggering amounts to innocent people all over this planet. And not just the people, either- animals too.


Yes, I agree with you, injustice, and corruption at staggering levels.

Our world leadership is at its lowest, ethically, and morally, because they have no ethics and are amoral, they see power as the only thing they respect.

I see their corruption of power and the stench is overwhelming.

I see myself as a former puppet too stupid to know the strings were there.

And now I've cut them and I try to help others cut them and teach them never to allow strings to be tied to their limb again, because becoming a puppet again is far too easy.

In other words, think, act, become independent, and agree and or disagree.

But do it through wisdom and experience, without stupidity and ignorance.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
It is real. War is made real every day, and is brought upon us- not because your average person wants it, but because politicians and greedy ass bastards- call them what you will- sacrifice human life for profit and power on a DAILY basis. This is the world we live in, SKL. It is REAL, and not just a perception.


Of course.

And greed is their motivating factor.

And profiting six ways to Sunday, without regards for those caught in the crossfire.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
You suggest to vote in new people of wiser and better ways, but yet you make no mention of the fact that 80 % of the voting systems have been compromised and are corrupt- effectively rendering your desirable notion- impossible. You can't vote in new people when the system itself is compromised.


I had to leave room for people to disagree and I do know that the voting system is faulty.

It is rigged and it is slanted in favor of certain people through Secret Societies.

And I have recommended ways to go around that, legally, and without violence.

How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive

Of course, humans are lazy, and if it does not contain M-16's and C-4 they ignore it.

I knew by age 18 how to overthrow any Government, by force, through the Art of War.

Now, I see it merely as a political and financial transaction, if necessary.

If every citizen fed up with how the system currently is corrupt were to do what I speak of, and take it away from the lobbyists, corporations, and Secret Societies, the world would be a much better place, but alas they are lazy.

And I did leave information out because I'm not giving away all my ideas.

Nor am I doing all of the work nor giving the complete template for it away.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Even in the case of a person like Ron Paul getting elected, somehow, to President, I can only imagine what would happen in the following closed door sessions when he was informed by the puppet masters of just how things were going to be. He would stand powerless against them, as so many other Presidents have stood before them. All that work to get there, only to be smitten down like a mouse in a rat trap.


Ron Paul is just another part of the problem, he is someone easily silenced.

However those in power choose to do it, and they will if he becomes a threat.

A unity of citizenry is what it will take, legally, and without violence, with intelligence.

Why do you think Martin Luther King Jr. was killed?

It was J Edgar Hoover who had King murdered through the cut-out of James Earl Ray.

Without ignorance, stupidity, or factional thinking, cooperative non-partisan thinking.

Martin Luther King, Jr.: I Have a Dream


Government does not want unity, without it controlling that unity, because we can actually control things if we're divided by partisan ignorance, racial ignorance, and complete ignorance through seeing ourselves as unable to run our nation.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
You may choose to indulge in lofty ideals, which is up to you- and I'm not saying your ideas are bad by any means, mind you- but I guess I am more of a realist. I see what goes on. I hate it. And I can't fix it. I want to, but the task is too great. So maybe the only solution is for me to go play my drums or go fishing- and throw away this keyboard.


This is where we actually agree, it is merely a difference of perspective.

I see it as realistic to hold to those idealistic views as they are attainable.

If only people were not so apathetic and gave up prior to actually trying.

It is our own choices which holds us back, whether it is fear, or speech of weaponry and ignorance, or use of intelligence and beat these bastards at their own game.

Without playing the game we can win, by changing the paradigm.

I am neither "left-wing" nor "right-wing".

I see both sides and see both as wrong because of division.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

It is up to us whether we flap about on the ground, like a turkey, flapping a "left-wing" or a "right-wing", like idiots, or if we work together and soar like an eagle.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
It is often said that the pen is mightier than the sword, but no one can ever seem to explain to me why the puppet masters keep using swords. Maybe it's time we all grabbed one too, until the day that we can put those away and use pens for a while again.


The puppet masters keep using swords, our swords, each time we speak of lifting them, symbolically being guns or violence, because according to the Art of War, you use your enemies weapon to kill him or her, first, then engage.

If you use the enemies sword, weight, and or power against them, they cannot stand.

Our "weapon" is amassed size of numbers and the easy division that putting ourselves into these idiotic boxes we put ourselves in with Republican/Democrat.

As well the "left-wing/right-wing" idiocy.

For anyone to properly fly they must use both wings or be grounded forever.

Deny Ignorance.

[edit on 15-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
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Love the video.

We have the right to define that which we perceive.

Therefore instead of allowing them to win, we can defeat them.

Which Is It, "Conspiracy Theory", or "Conspiracy Fact"?

Our perception is what determines which it is and is not.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 05:57 AM
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I have to ask if you were trying to post a message and missed the mark?



A bit of humor because I give you an A for effort.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Applaud your efforts but it seems the sheep are not getting your message.

I will attempt to repackage it partially...

HEY YOU POST READER PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fisrt I am back with a vengence... Why you ask may second weapon paid off. Mod dont you dare remove the vid... It is appropriate...



My remote viewing progect has come through like a racehorse...

How does it tie in you ask easy as pie...

YOU STILL LISTENING...

He has been trying to say something so simple you miss it.... You choose.. Thats right you choose...

"Oh you mean like the election man..."

No thats your fault to. Dont like it oh well... We all voted the dems in by not doing more...

The NWO only has the power you choose to give it...

I read the example here so lets cover them.

How you percieve the outcome with various law enforcement affect the outcome...

SaME WITH TEACHERS...
Same with board members ect....

HE IS TRING TO SAY YOU HAVE THE POWER NOT THEM...

Let me know here SKL if I got iit right...

I know you board members here want to argue and are afraid to voice half your opinions so here is the last question....

He wants to know if YOUR going to keep giving them power Or stand up up like warrior... Are you the freemen or the slaves choose and choose now..

I am calling you..

Speaking of which, my baby is home and telling me to head straight to bed.. Like I said make your choice then enjoy them wiht bye gtg



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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That's exactly what I have been saying, while less diplomatically, you repeated what I said.

Almost word for word, just through your level of ability, and you cut through a lot of crap.

Yes, each of us have power, and no one has power over you, unless you let them.

The problem comes when people are too scared, stupid, or ignorant to act.

And as well, they choose to use weapons because of fear, do not approach politics because they are politically stupid and or ignorant, or whether they see their own inability to shift the paradigm because they refuse to actually do anything about it.

If we have superior numbers to those in power, we have the ability to use that size as a means to make a change, legally and without violence, and we as independent minds all have one huge and common ground for all of us, we are all human beings, who see those in power as not listening anymore.

If we concentrate our focus upon an idiotic puppet, the "New World Order", we forget the puppet master cannot entertain us, this being done through fear, it keeps us occupied, distracting our attention from our own power.

The power of numbers.

The power of change.

The power of ability.

The power of one man befriending another man.

The power over stupidity.

The power over ignorance.

The power to know we have guns, but only using them, if nothing else is viable.


If a rock band can start out as nothing more than a garage full of people wanting to rock, trying and testing out their abilities, and actually make it to the big time, so can we, if a group of men can dress as Native Americans and throw tea into Boston harbor to overthrow tyranny, so can we, if people can buy a franchise of a corporation like McDonalds and make their money work for them, so can we.

If we have the power, we have the responsibility to use it, and if we do not
we are irresponsible.

As humans, we have the power to either drive our cars, or wreck them in an accident.

As humans, we have the power to either pick up a gun, or not, and use it or not.

As humans, we have the power to either say yes or no, depending upon the situation.

As humans, we have the power to either complain about the problem, or do something about it.

As humans, we have the power to either whine about the problem, or do something about it.

As humans, we have the power to either bitch about the problem, or do something about it.

As humans, we have the power to either see the system as broken, or that it has loopholes, and knowing either way, that there is an ability to do something about that.


If you get in an accident and lost an arm, you either go through rehab and learn to adapt, or you feel sorry for yourself and become a twisted, spiteful, and hateful individual who feels sorry for themselves, which is what I am beginning to see ATS members would rather do, the "System" is broken, a car accident if you will, and they would rather complain, whine, and bitch, instead of entering rehab, politically, and they are becoming that twisted, spiteful, hateful, and warped crippled individual who hates when people feel sorry for themselves.

Def Leppard - Let's Get Rocked


Either get the system fixed, or replaced, and enter rehab, or quit complaining because you're too damn lazy to the right thing and actually make it out alive.

Get off your duff and do something politically about it.

The only thing that happens when you stay on your duff is it gets number.

Deny Ignorance.

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