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Is this planet x? (no, it's Mars)

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posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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Wow interesting, it sort of looks like Nibiru according to luminosity and relative distance, but do you think it could be a massive UFO image perhaps manifested by HAARP?

Just kidding, star to the OP for updating the title! And stars to the rest of you guys and girls who found the Mars.




posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:22 AM
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@TheDon: Aye your right you did not. That was directed to LX200 as he called me that in a email on Utube and is saying the same thing here. I am sorry for the confusion. We all want the same thing, the truth. If that is something huge heading our way I (and I'm sure many others) would love to have a heads up.

@SJE98: I will try and look for it tomorrow around that time.. hopefully I can catch something, thank you



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:27 AM
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Guys.. it cant be Mars...

if you think its Mars then you are agreeing that Mars is the brightest star in the sky, or at the very least its giving off way more IR light than any other object in the sky.


Neither of those are conventionally true.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:27 AM
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Venus and Mercury shine together .Venus and Mercury shine togeather



It sure looks much larger than anything I have seen before, Venus or Mercury.

but that's what is happening so they say.

from Sky and Telescope

for April 3rd

Venus and Mercury appear closest together this evening and tomorrow evening. They appear 3° apart, about the width of two fingers held together at arm's length. In reality they're not close at all; Venus is about 1½ times farther away. Mercury and Venus are 94 million and 146 million miles (8.4 and 13 light-minutes) from Earth this evening, respectively.

Three reasons conspire to make Venus shine so brightly despite its greater distance right now. It’s about twice as big a planet as Mercury, it’s covered with brilliantly reflective white clouds compared to Mercury’s dark gray rocks and dust, and Venus is currently showing us more of its sunlit dayside.



[edit on 7-4-2010 by SJE98]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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reply to post by SecretUsername
 


No problem and thank you for the clarification.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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lol! ok
Just so you know why i'm 100% sure it's not Mars. I had 4 of my astronomy friends with me to confirm it on 3 serparate occasions. We all saw Mars each night. Mars was lit up like an orange jackolantern on a Halloween night and nowhere near the very faint orange star. Lets wait and see video 4 before we jump to any conclusions. I'm really tired of debating/proving to everyone.

Btw, i'm more into videoing UFO's(as you can see on my Youtube page), as I was never into finding Nibiru in the first place. Unfortunately, I'm now in a one hell of a can of worms. lol!

Peace - i'm going to bed now.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:39 AM
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Hi,

I look forward to your new evidence.

Also thank you again for registering here at ATS and sharing your videos/views.

It is nice to actually be able to debate/talk to the author about a youtube video that was posted on this site.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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In the "Possible Brown Dwarf" a day or two days has passed. Mars is in a slightly different location. The star is in the same location relative to the other stars. It's hard to see because he covers them with text but if you look closely you can see it.

In the "Planet X? Update" video it is a different star entirely, all of the stars in the field are different.


In two of the videos the object is positively identified as Mars by virtue of neighboring stars.

The third video has no context. The object cannot be identified as the same object as in the other videos.

The location of Mars is nowhere near the coordinates he claims.

The coordinates he claims are nowhere near Orion's belt which he shows in the second video.

Using night vision makes stars and planets look bright. That is what it is supposed to do.

jcattera has called me a liar. He has accused me of altering a shot from his video and disguising it as a Stellarium screenshot. I have not done what he accuses me of and I resent the accusation.

jcattera is a hoaxer.


[edit on 4/7/2010 by Phage]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:03 AM
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Thank you for answering my question, though to be honest did not totally understand your answer.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by SJE98
Venus and Mercury shine together .Venus and Mercury shine togeather



It sure looks much larger than anything I have seen before, Venus or Mercury.

but that's what is happening so they say.

from Sky and Telescope

for April 3rd

Venus and Mercury appear closest together this evening and tomorrow evening. They appear 3° apart, about the width of two fingers held together at arm's length. In reality they're not close at all; Venus is about 1½ times farther away. Mercury and Venus are 94 million and 146 million miles (8.4 and 13 light-minutes) from Earth this evening, respectively.

Three reasons conspire to make Venus shine so brightly despite its greater distance right now. It’s about twice as big a planet as Mercury, it’s covered with brilliantly reflective white clouds compared to Mercury’s dark gray rocks and dust, and Venus is currently showing us more of its sunlit dayside.



[edit on 7-4-2010 by SJE98]



um... are you serious...

do you really think those pictures are actual photo's?

if not,what are you trying to say here?



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:06 AM
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He accuses you of one thing, you accuse him of another, all seems a little bit tit for tat to me. I'm not saying that either of you are right or wrong, but innocent until proven guilty IMO, and this isn't proven anything yet. Let's wait and see what video #4 has to say for itself before we accuse people of being hoaxers. Not a nice label to give someone who has no intention of being a hoaxer. (just as it wasn't fair of him to accuse you of falsifying the picture you posted)



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by TheDon
 

In the "Possible Brown Dwarf" a day or two days has passed. Mars is in a slightly different location. The star is in the same location relative to the other stars. It's hard to see because he covers them with text but if you look closely you can see it.



[edit on 4/7/2010 by Phage]


He accuses you of falsely accusing him and i accuse you of ignoring everything ive been saying because you cant fit that into your schema(look it up).

The object is the same brightness in all 3 video's, why is it so bright?

Im not comparing it to IR(or night vision, assuming the author is lying) im comparing its brightness relative to the other stars.

Its not freaking mars.

What it is i dont know. It might not be Nibiru, but its definitely not mars.


edit/

and can we please hold off on these absurd conclusions. Why was the thread's title changed so quickly?
We are still debating.



[edit on 7-4-2010 by demonseed]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by loner007
oh boy people really do have to get this into perspective. The Earth has been here since 5 billion years it has never been destroyed by anything otherwise we wouldnt be here. If such a planet did exist theres is no doubt its orbital path would not coincide with earths or get even close to earth to cause any effect. We know this because of simple logic if its orbit did coincide with Earths we would have been hit by it or our orbit would have changed something that heavy passing near the earth. We know this because again we are here. Some people specualte it comes every 3600years well there you go since man has been around longer than that and we still here.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by loner007]



Over the course of 26,000 years, the precession of the equinoxes makes one full circuit around the ecliptic.[43]

Some say a "galactic alignment" but its an arbitrary line, anyway, this will happen 21 dec 2012.


The completion of 13 b'ak'tuns (August 11, 3114 BCE) marks the Creation of the world of human beings according to the Maya.

According to the Mayan calendar its not 3600 years but a longer period of time, the completion of the 13th baktun is 21 dec. 2012. Planet XYZ can pass a long distance from earth every 5126 years and still affect life on earth very much. Earthquakes, volcanos erupting, severe weather change, climate change etc. We dont know much about life and the civilizations 5000+ years ago even less 26.000 years ago, what happened.


[edit on 7-4-2010 by rhines]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:16 AM
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No one here tonight has established a single astronomical fact; many argue whether Venus is a "star" or Betelgeuse is in Orion's belt. A good reference book will help you PROVE, or disprove, the location of your mythical planet.

Prove me wrong.


Are you serious? From the VERY FIRST VIDEO it was established 1) SE Michigan, 2) approximately 3 AM, 3) it was March 18, 2010, 4) the coordinates for the object in question were 6H 42M 8.44S , 41 deg. 40' 18.94".


I plugged those coordinates (I used Ann Arbor as a location, not sure of his exact location, and made the time 3 AM) into this website and the coordinates for Mars came out 8H 14.0M , 23 deg. 19.3'.

I'm confused though. In the video there is a banner across the top the whole time, reading "if you have google sky, just copy and paste these coordinates in." That is illogical - Google Sky's coordinates were fixed from a specific vantage point at a specific date over two years ago. You certainly can not just plug in any coordinates and expect them to correspond to GS's coordinates.

Trying to plug in real-time coordinates into google sky will give you a completely random patch of the sky (assuming I haven't made an error in logic so far - we're all fallible in that sense). The fact that the video's given coordinates for the mystery object just so happened to correspond to one of the few patches of sky that's blacked out, along with the fact that the Google Sky coordinates could not *really* be the location of the object in the video, makes me suspicious, personally. But again, I could be wrong about Google Sky. I never really use the thing.

Cheers

[edit on 7-4-2010 by Son of Will]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Son of Will
reply to post by jdub297
 



No one here tonight has established a single astronomical fact; many argue whether Venus is a "star" or Betelgeuse is in Orion's belt. A good reference book will help you PROVE, or disprove, the location of your mythical planet.

Prove me wrong.


Are you serious? From the VERY FIRST VIDEO it was established 1) SE Michigan, 2) slightly past three AM, 3) it was March 18, 2010, 4) the coordinates for the object in question were 6H 42M 8.44S , 41 deg. 40' 18.94".


I plugged those coordinates (I used Ann Arbor as a location, not sure of his exact location, and made the time 3 AM) into this website and the coordinates for Mars came out 8H 14.0M , 23 deg. 19.3'.

I'm confused though. In the video there is a banner across the top the whole time, reading "if you have google sky, just copy and paste these coordinates in." That is illogical - Google Sky's coordinates were fixed from a specific vantage point at a specific date over two years ago. You certainly can not just plug in any coordinates and expect them to correspond to GS's coordinates.

Trying to plug in real-time coordinates into google sky will give you a completely random patch of the sky (assuming I haven't made an error in logic so far - we're all fallible in that sense). The fact that the video's given coordinates for the mystery object just so happened to correspond to one of the few patches of sky that's blacked out, along with the fact that the Google Sky coordinates could not *really* be the location of the object in the video, makes me kinda suspicious, personally. But again, I could be wrong about Google Sky. I never really use the thing.

Cheers


google sky is a snap shot of the sky. Its kind of like looking at a star chart. You can still point out what you are looking at in google sky.

Watch out though, any more evidence that the object in question is not Mars will have the skeptics roaring. And any facts you provide will be ignored.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by demonseed]

[edit on 7-4-2010 by demonseed]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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It's bright because it is a planet. Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are brighter than most stars most of the time.

The brightness of celestial objects is referred to as magnitude. The scale is "backwards", the higher the number the dimmer the object. On March 18th Mars was at magnitude 0. The star below it on the left was magnitude 5.3, the one on the right was magnitude 5.9. It is Mars and it is much brighter than any of the stars around it. Go look at it!

The debate is over. The first two videos definitely show Mars. The neighboring stars, including the "moon" match the star chart perfectly. It is no where near the coordinates given. He is a hoaxer.

[edit on 4/7/2010 by Phage]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:34 AM
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They should reconfigure Google Sky to take into account the user's stated location as well as date&time, so that when you open the program, the coordinates it uses correspond to your exact location and time. Just because that would be shnazzy.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by demonseed
 

It's bright because it is a planet. Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are brighter than most stars most of the time.

The brightness of celestial objects is referred to as magnitude. The scale is "backwards", the higher the number the dimmer the object. On March 18th Mars was at magnitude 0. The star below it on the left was magnitude 5.3, the one on the right was magnitude 5.9. It is Mars and it is much brighter than any of the stars around it. Go look at it!

The debate is over. The first two videos definitely show Mars. The neighboring stars, including the "moon" match the star chart perfectly. It is no where near the coordinates given. He is a hoaxer.

[edit on 4/7/2010 by Phage]


www.space.com...

directly from space.com

"On March 1, its 155 million miles away and appears at magnitude +1.1 (as bright as the star Pollux). By months end, its distance from us has increased by more than 29 million miles and its down to magnitude +1.4 (as bright as Regulus)."

object in question is not as bright as a star, its MUCH brighter.

sorry this article is a bit dated, but it gives a nice reference.


[edit on 7-4-2010 by demonseed]



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by ShadowArcher
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Each other, yes. EVERYONE?
I'm just saying, some people don't believe things, it doesn't make them disinfo agents. If you look at most of what is discussed on this forum, most people would think we're crazy for even being members!


Stating facts or applying logic is not equivalent to disbelief in anything.

The OP and his video source referred to specific celestial coordinates, as if that is good enough to establish the location, much less the presence, of a mythical object in the sky.

To accurately apply celestial coordinates you need more than right ascension and declension. You must know where the observer is; her latitude affects the position of the objects in the sky relative to the observer. You also need date and time coordinates to account for celestial motion.

Example: OP uses his coordinates tonight at 9pm MST in Colorado Springs.

Phage uses the same coordinates at 11 p.m. in Tallahassee. They will observe completely different areas of the sky.

In astronomy, all variables must be specific before you can "prove" the location and existence of ANY object.

That all said, not one single person here or anywhere else has given a specific, reproducible location and observation. Everything else is speculation and belief.

This is not "disbelief," it is astronomical fact.

No one here tonight has established a single astronomical fact; many argue whether Venus is a "star" or Betelgeuse is in Orion's belt. A good reference book will help you PROVE, or disprove, the location of your mythical planet.

Prove me wrong.

Deny ignorance.

jw


Perhaps when you're going to make a post such as this, you should actually read what I was replying to. We were referring to the existence of Nirbiru in general, and HAARP. Like I said, read.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:46 AM
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I used Stellarium for the magnitude of Mars, I will accept that it was off somewhat but it doesn't matter. All stars are not equal. Regulus is a fairly bright star, there are only 21 brighter stars.

As I pointed out, the stars near Mars in the video are magnitude 5 or greater. They are dim stars. Dimmer than Mars. The stars of Orion's belt are of similar magnitude but slightly dimmer than Mars. That can be seen in the second video.
Mars is a planet. With a small amount of magnification, a planet appears larger than a star (which will always appear as a point of light).

It...is...Mars.

[edit on 4/7/2010 by Phage]




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